Joe Klein, Jamie Kirchick End Up In Fight After Panel Discussion

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First Posted: 11-11-09 05:29 PM   |   Updated: 11-11-09 06:09 PM

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Attendees of yesterday's Jewish Federations of North America's General Assembly meeting in Washington, DC were treated to an angry shouting match between Time Magazine's Joe Klein and The New Republic's Jamie Kirchick, after their disagreements on a panel discussion entitled "The Pro-Israel Lobby and the Media" spilled out into the hallway and devolved into some sort of profanity-laced session of yelling. The Reliable Sourcers have the pyrotechnics:

A heated debate between Time magazine's Joe Klein and the New Republic's Jamie Kirchick spilled off the dais Tuesday into a hallway confrontation where Klein called the younger pundit a "dishonest [expletive]" and a "[expletiving] propagandist."


Klein told us today he's not sure he uttered the "propagandist" bit -- heard by a few witnesses -- but stands by the "dishonest [expletive]" part.

"Absolutely. He's a [expletive]," Klein, 62, told us. "He's 25 years old, and he's one of those people who has opinions but no facts or experience."

Apparently, the two were only slightly more restrained whilst paneling:

People in the room say things heated up on the panel when Klein said he was dismayed that John McCain was swayed, he said, by Jewish neocons to support the war in Iraq, and cited his own experience with soldiers on the front line. Kirchick noted McCain's Vietnam experience -- and Klein said it wasn't the same, since McCain fought from the air. Kirchick lit into Klein, saying Klein was denigrating McCain's service and hard years in a POW camp. Klein argued back, saying he honors McCain's time as a prisoner -- but that the senator's experience doesn't relate to current troop experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Klein apparently attributes the spat to some broader set of circumstances involving the "desperation of a dying [media] industry." The Sourcers wonder if it's an "an old-pundit vs. new pundit thing." I tend to think that this is the sort of thing that happens any time you schedule a panel discussion on "The Pro-Israel Lobby." But maybe there's another explanation! The discussion in question took place at the Marriott Wardman Park in Washington, DC, where in previous adventures, our own Sam Stein witnessed Hillary Clinton flack Lanny Davis losing his mind completely, and where Stein encountered an angry mini-mob, bent on preventing his enjoyment of a Reuben sandwich. Maybe that hotel is located atop an ancient and angry burial ground, or something?

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Attendees of yesterday's Jewish Federations of North America's General Assembly meeting in Washington, DC were treated to an angry shouting match between Time Magazine's Joe Klein and The New Republic...
Attendees of yesterday's Jewish Federations of North America's General Assembly meeting in Washington, DC were treated to an angry shouting match between Time Magazine's Joe Klein and The New Republic...
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- fictioneer I'm a Fan of fictioneer 19 fans permalink
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I'll go with angry ghosts of the Civil War dead for 1000, Jason. But haunting our entire political discussion nationally.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:27 AM on 11/13/2009
- StillAmused I'm a Fan of StillAmused 255 fans permalink

The landscape is crawling with right-wing 'bright young things' full of attitude and bereft of both information and life experience. Thank the Jonah Goldbergs, Michelle Malkins, Ann Coulters and other professional flamethrowers for lowering -- no, ELIMINATING -- the bar.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:09 AM on 11/13/2009
- Tim303 I'm a Fan of Tim303 86 fans permalink
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I wouldn't by a used car from the young looking chap. Not that I'm any judge of character.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:45 AM on 11/13/2009

As far as Senator McCain is concerned. Dropping bombs on Vietnam - a nation who NEVER attacked the US is hardly heroic.

He was shot down while DROPPING BOMBS on other people. How in the hell is that a good thing?

So he was a POW for trying to kill other people - What makes him a hero -fighting against a nation of peple who had been beaten up by the Chinese, Japanese and the French - finally the US comes in and tries to get in a few cheap shots - by killing over a million Vietnamese!

If there is a God in heaven - McCain will NOT be getting any medals in the afterlife!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:50 PM on 11/12/2009
- jrutle I'm a Fan of jrutle 38 fans permalink

We should honor McCain's service but not deify it. Being a Vietnam Vet and POW does not give him unique insight or judgment about the appropriate course of foreign policy in the Middle East. This was demonstrated when Ron Paul aptly pointed out in last year's campaign that McCain doesn't appear to know the difference between non-interventionism and isolationism. Fortunately most Americans do know the difference and disagree with McCain when it comes to the use of military force in the Middle East.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:21 PM on 11/12/2009

Having read both of them on a number of issues, I'm siding with Joe. Kirchick is too full of himself and too empty of facts to be persuasive on most topics.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 PM on 11/12/2009
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They should both Twitter apologies

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:54 PM on 11/12/2009
- gparks I'm a Fan of gparks 24 fans permalink

Help me out here ... was the argument .... J McCain's Viet Nam experince as a POW ... does not equate with today's soldiers experience in Iraq/Afgan .... reason ... McCain as a pilot (in the air)WAS NOT on the ground fighting! Well IS this the argument ... guys/gals on the ground, driving vehicals, walking into homes, roads, market places etc just might have a MORE opportunities to die (and the sustained terror to go with it). Pilots fly what 2 to 4 hours a day? Well either way ...it is a horrible thing to be terrified ...even for a short time. Bring home the troops!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:15 PM on 11/12/2009
- Hare I'm a Fan of Hare 29 fans permalink
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For sure only old age comes with age. Wisdom has to be cultivated from an early time so that if by 25 can be expressed, if not there then chances of being a wise man later on are nulled. We all agree, FOX viewers are not wise just old. Young people that got Obama elected are spilling wisdom on the streets of America. I am old and wise so I know how it works.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:23 PM on 11/12/2009
- picval I'm a Fan of picval 2 fans permalink

With age comes Wisdom. I'll side with Joe on this.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:15 PM on 11/12/2009
- Hare I'm a Fan of Hare 29 fans permalink
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Far from it, I rather hang out with the young and wise than the old

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:24 PM on 11/12/2009

I'm just amazed by how much I've forgotten since I was 25...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 11/12/2009
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I'm amazed by how I've learned since I was 25.
jerry belairca

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:23 AM on 11/13/2009


Kirchik's pic looks like a smart$$.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:42 AM on 11/12/2009
- BigCheese I'm a Fan of BigCheese 2 fans permalink
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Well that settles it then.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:51 PM on 11/12/2009
- jsgaetano I'm a Fan of jsgaetano 197 fans permalink
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Sounds more like the little McCain lover wasnt going to tolerate someone saying something which doesn't praise "Crash" as our lord and savior.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:12 AM on 11/12/2009
- sueno I'm a Fan of sueno 12 fans permalink

Good for Joe Klein!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:58 AM on 11/12/2009
- pmc617 I'm a Fan of pmc617 3 fans permalink

The only president this pup is old enough to have experienced after puberty is W. What kind of world view might that create?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:10 AM on 11/12/2009
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