Obama Town Hall In China (VIDEO): President Says Uncensored Internet Is Healthy

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First Posted: 11-16-09 12:47 AM   |   Updated: 11-16-09 09:10 AM

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SHANGHAI (AP)- President Barack Obama gave China a pointed, unexpected nudge to stop censoring the Internet access of its own people, offering an animated defense of the tool that helped him win the White House - and telling his tightly controlled hosts not to be wary of a little criticism.

"I think that the more freely information flows, the stronger the society becomes, because then citizens of countries around the world can hold their own governments accountable," Obama said Monday in a town hall with students during his first-ever trip to China. "They can begin to think for themselves."

Just hours ahead of talks with Chinese President Hu Jintao, Obama tried to find a political balance, couching his admonitions with words of cooperation, praise and American humility. He said few global challenges can be solved unless the world's only superpower and its rising competitor work together, and he insisted: "We do not seek to contain China's rise."

But in his opening statement and in answers to the wide-ranging discussion with university students, Obama spoke bluntly about the benefits of individual freedoms in a place known for limiting them.

"We do not seek to impose any system of government on any other nation," Obama said. Then he added that freedom of expression and worship, unfettered access to information and unrestricted political participation are not principles held by the United States; instead, he called them "universal rights."

The line offered echoes of Obama's predecessor, George W. Bush, who often talked of the "universality of freedom." Obama talked at length about the Internet, which he said helped him win the presidency because it allowed for the mobilization of young people like those in his audience in Shanghai.

"I'm a big supporter of non-censorship," Obama said. "I recognize that different countries have different traditions. I can tell you that in the United States, the fact that we have free Internet - or unrestricted Internet access is a source of strength, and I think should be encouraged."

Given where Obama was speaking, such a comment carried strong implications. And he appeared to be talking directly to China's leaders when he said that he believes free discussion, including criticism that he sometimes finds annoying, makes him "a better leader because it forces me to hear opinions that I don't want to hear."

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China has more than 250 million Internet users and employs some of the world's tightest controls over what they see. The country is often criticized for having the so-called "Great Firewall of China," which refers to technology designed to prevent unwanted traffic from entering or leaving a network.

Obama's town hall was not broadcast live across China on television. It was shown on local Shanghai TV and streamed online on two big national Internet portals, but the quality was choppy and hard to hear.

Obama is in the midst of a weeklong Asia trip. He came with a vast agenda of security, economic and environmental concerns, although always looming was how Obama would deal with human rights while in China.

The president left Shanghai for Beijing, where was to spend Monday night.

U.S. ambassador Jon Huntsman called Obama's event the first ever town-hall meeting held by a U.S. president in China. Yet former presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush also spoke to students and took questions from them during stops in China.

China is a huge and lucrative market for American goods and services, and yet it has a giant trade surplus with the U.S. that, like a raft of other economic issues, is a bone of contention between the two governments. The two militaries have increased their contacts, but clashes still happen and the United States remains worried about a dramatic buildup in what is already the largest standing army in the world.

Amid all that, Obama has adopted a pragmatic approach that stresses the positive, sometimes earning him criticism for being too soft on Beijing - particularly in the area of human rights abuses and what the United States regards as an undervalued Chinese currency that disadvantages U.S. products.

The two nations are working together more than ever on battling global warming, but they still differ deeply over hard targets for reductions in the greenhouse-gas emissions that cause it. China has supported sterner sanctions to halt North Korea's nuclear weapons program, but it still balks at getting more aggressive about reining in Iran's uranium enrichment.

Obama recognizes that a rising China, as the world's third-largest economy - on its way to becoming the second - and the largest foreign holder of U.S. debt, has shifted the dynamic more toward one of equals. For instance, Chinese questions about how Washington spending policies will affect the already soaring U.S. deficit and the safety of Chinese investments now must be answered by Washington.

The White House hoped Monday's town hall meeting with Chinese university students would allow Obama to telegraph U.S. values - through its successes and failures - to the widest Chinese audience possible.

But those hopes had their limits in communist-ruled China.



WATCH: Obama's Opening Remarks:



Part 1 | Obama Takes Questions:



Part 2 | Obama Town Hall In Shanghai:



Part 3 | President Obama Fields Questions:

SHANGHAI (AP)- President Barack Obama gave China a pointed, unexpected nudge to stop censoring the Internet access of its own people, offering an animated defense of the tool that helped him win the W...
SHANGHAI (AP)- President Barack Obama gave China a pointed, unexpected nudge to stop censoring the Internet access of its own people, offering an animated defense of the tool that helped him win the W...
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- David Yun I'm a Fan of David Yun 3 fans permalink

[continued] For example take a look at this post (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jiruan/4111227492/)…in the last comment in the chain, user jiruan writes:
虽然7000人和中国­人口相比是极其少数,­但这些都是希望的种子 Although the 7000 and the Chinese population is extremely small in comparison, but these are the seeds of hope.

Similarly a Tweet by influential blogger Michael Anti has started to make the rounds: On Co.NX platform for asking Obama, 75% Chinese say Internet Freedom most concerned. On Xinhua platform, ZERO asks this.

I do not think that we can truly measure the success or failure of this event for some time. It may fade away into obscurity or it could be a seminal moment for a nascent movement that just found its rallying cry, and in my opinion its too early to know which category this will fall into.

Full Disclosure: I work for the company that helped in the technical production of the event through the State Dept: http://www.connectsolutions.com/blog/2009/11/16/obamainchina/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:24 PM on 11/17/2009
- David Yun I'm a Fan of David Yun 3 fans permalink

For the most part, people are considering the Town Hall event a failure. And while I agree with some of the points I also think there are other ways to look at this. I don’t think the event itself can be evaluated in isolation but rather, it should be viewed as part of a larger continuum.

In one model, change is evaluated on a macro level, from the top down. What is the immediate, large scale impact of this event in China? And through that lens, reaching 7,000 does not seem significant. But another way of looking at this issue, as has been put forth by Benedict Anderson, Michael Omi, Howard Winant, and others, is through the lens of micro-level change that happens at the individual level, from the bottom up.

Looking at the event from this perspective provides a different picture. Every movement needs its flash point, and it seems as though the opening up of Twitter/Facebook for this event (and their subsequent re-closing) has not only brought the “Great Firewall” issue onto the global stage, but evidence on Twitter and other sites shows that the specific response to the poll in the State Dept. Chat Room about internet censorship and the fact that this information was excluded from Chinese language sites has been used as a rallying cry by the movement as a way to articulate their frustrations and bring light to this issue within China. [will continue in next post]

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:23 PM on 11/17/2009

Looks like Obama is in for a toughie with this one how will he satisfy both the Chinese Government and the Dalai Lama. Here’s an interesting angle.
http://ketiva.com/News_and_Events/china__turns_to_lincoln_to_try_to_prevent_an_obama__dalai_lama_meeting.html

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:00 PM on 11/17/2009
- Gould123 I'm a Fan of Gould123 7 fans permalink

Finally, a President we can be proud of!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:53 PM on 11/17/2009
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Bow down to thee. Unbelievable!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:28 PM on 11/16/2009
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The Value of an Obama presidency is as much
what happens in Washington as what is happening
in that room.
The Human impact and change in perception
cannot be dismissed nor minimized.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:06 PM on 11/16/2009
- soundping I'm a Fan of soundping 13 fans permalink
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The Tea-Baggers was right. Obama is comfortable with 'youth-in-asia'.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 11/16/2009
- tel8034 I'm a Fan of tel8034 88 fans permalink

President Obama is comfortable with youth not only in the US but with the youth throughout the world.....­.......... Have you forgotten the tremendous youth support he had during the 2008 Presidential campaign?

Please note that President Obama to hold town hall meetings with the YOUTH of EVERY country he has made an official visit to ..................

This trend of YOUTH TOWN HALL MEETINGS started in London at the G-20 summit and has continued all the way to China.

SO WHAT EXACTLY IS YOUR LAME RETHUG POINT?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 PM on 11/16/2009
- soundping I'm a Fan of soundping 13 fans permalink
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It was a comment on a poorly spelled tea bagger sign about "youth-in-asia"

http://i48.tinypic.com/2rmmxx4.jpg

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:52 PM on 11/17/2009
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sure thing!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:20 PM on 11/16/2009
- Chip W I'm a Fan of Chip W 18 fans permalink

But don't forget: Youth in Asia will kill your grandma.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:43 AM on 11/17/2009
- chlai88 I'm a Fan of chlai88 21 fans permalink
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It's not a Chinese who brought up the question of the firewall and internet censorship. It's Ambassador Huntsman. No Chinese in the audience is brave enough to bring that touchy subject up. And if you noticed, they clapped the most when the Taiwan question is brought up bcos it's a subject dearest to their hearts. You can't blame them. The Chinese education system has etched these ideological positions in their young. But then again, Shanghai is a completely different city 30 years ago and it wouldn't have been imaginable 10 years ago for such controversial questions be raised on Chinese soil with a visiting US president. And the internet can be free in China in another 20 years time.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:26 PM on 11/16/2009
- pfc1369 I'm a Fan of pfc1369 88 fans permalink
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You wouldn't see that kind of goodwill toward the previous American administration for all the tea baggers in Georgia!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:47 PM on 11/16/2009
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obama pushes for free speech in china

try that here and he'll be notified: flag@whithouse.gov

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:34 PM on 11/16/2009
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or be called a racis1

by his minions

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:49 PM on 11/16/2009
- bluesmann I'm a Fan of bluesmann 76 fans permalink
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Bow to Mao...has a nice ring to it..

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:04 PM on 11/16/2009
- bluesmann I'm a Fan of bluesmann 76 fans permalink
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Cat got the Liberal tongue...who said there is no Go-d...??

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:03 PM on 11/16/2009
- PepeLepew I'm a Fan of PepeLepew 297 fans permalink
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Discipline, posters!
Discipline!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:01 PM on 11/16/2009
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solidarity

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:10 PM on 11/16/2009
- bluesmann I'm a Fan of bluesmann 76 fans permalink
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I hope everyone noticed the eth=nic dive-rsity in the audience...

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:59 PM on 11/16/2009

they're in China.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:37 PM on 11/16/2009
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How brain dead are you?

He's in Beijing, genius. China is one of the most homogeneous places on Earth.

Stevie Ray Vaughn called; he said to stop using his likeness to spew your ignorance.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:55 PM on 11/16/2009
- Aerows I'm a Fan of Aerows 54 fans permalink
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They are in China..do you not have enough sense to pour piss out of a boot?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:46 PM on 11/16/2009

"bluemann" = FOOL

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:16 PM on 11/16/2009
- booboo111 I'm a Fan of booboo111 76 fans permalink
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Keith no-lika Stevie.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:54 PM on 11/17/2009
- PepeLepew I'm a Fan of PepeLepew 297 fans permalink
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Oh, great, the major league syco d00sh has crawled from beneath its rock to pollute this thread...
... don't respond, people!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:55 PM on 11/16/2009
- bluesmann I'm a Fan of bluesmann 76 fans permalink
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Hey pep...nice to hear from you...and btw...you've responded to me ...thanks..

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:00 PM on 11/16/2009
- brady61995 I'm a Fan of brady61995 66 fans permalink
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so tempting

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:36 PM on 11/16/2009
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