Retail Sales Up 1.4 Percent In October On Big Boost From Auto Sales

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MARTIN CRUTSINGER | 11/16/09 06:13 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — Improved retail sales gave Wall Street a boost Monday but provided little hope for a robust holiday shopping season that might invigorate the economic recovery.

The October figures, driven by a surge in auto sales, exceeded economists' expectations. Yet consumers are so squeezed by tight credit and rising unemployment that economists don't expect to see significant spending until well after year's end. Even optimists predict scant improvement over last year's holiday season.

Consumer spending accounts for about 70 percent of total economic activity, so wary shoppers are a worrisome sign for retailers entering the crucial holiday season.

"U.S. consumers are no longer panicked, but they remain cautious," said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody's Economy.com. "They are spending just enough to keep the economy out of recession, but not enough to fuel a self-sustained expansion."

Retail sales rose 1.4 percent last month, the Commerce Department said. But excluding a big rebound in auto sales, the gain was just 0.2 percent. Strength at general merchandise stores like Wal-Mart and Target was offset by sales declines at furniture stores, appliance stores and hardware stores.

Zandi said one telling statistic about household finances was that the number of bank credit cards in circulation has fallen 18 percent since the year began. That's happened as banks facing soaring loan losses have tightened credit standards.

Consumer credit has now fallen for a record eight straight months through September and households are struggling to manage their debt levels after the most severe recession since the 1930s.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke warned Monday of "important headwinds," such as the weak job market and tight credit conditions. These forces "likely will prevent the expansion from being as robust as we would hope," he told the Economic Club of New York.

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On Wall Street, major stock indexes rose more than 1 percent to new 13-month highs after the retail sales figures were released. The Dow Jones industrial average jumped 136 points to 10,406 and the Standard & Poor's 500 index closed above the 1,100 mark for the first time in more than a year.

The overall economy, as measured by the gross domestic product, resumed growing in the July-September quarter at what the government estimated was an annual rate of 3.5 percent. That was a sharp rebound after a record four straight declines in GDP.

Analysts noted that the retail sales report Monday included a sharp downward revision to sales in September. The government also reported last week that the nation's trade deficit rose in September by the largest percentage in a decade. As a result, third-quarter GDP is expected to drop to a more modest 2.8 percent growth rate when the government releases a revised estimate next week.

Growth for the current quarter is expected to be around 3 percent. But, analysts said, growth in the first half of next year could slow to around half that pace as consumer spending falters and government stimulus programs begin to wane.

Growth at such a weak rate would raise the threat of a possible double-dip recession. That's especially true with unemployment, now at a 26-year high of 10.2 percent and expected to keep rising into next year.

"It seems unlikely that households will be able to spend more freely anytime soon," said Paul Dales, U.S. economist at Capital Economics.

Retailers last week gave muted holiday outlooks as they reported third-quarter earnings. Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and Kohl's Corp. both said they plan to discount aggressively. J.C. Penney said it expects sales for the quarter that includes the holidays to fall.

According to a Gallup poll released Monday, Americans expect to spend $638 on Christmas gifts, equal to record-lows from November and December of 2008.

Michael P. Niemira, chief economist at the International Council of Shopping Centers, expects overall holiday sales will rise about 1 percent from last year, a historically weak performance.

The big swing in overall retail sales activity reflected a recent roller coaster ride for auto sales. New-car sales surged in August as shoppers rushed to take advantage of the government's Cash for Clunkers sales incentives, which expired at the end of August. Sales then plunged in September.

For October, auto sales jumped 7.4 percent, recouping about half of the 14.3 percent drop in September. The 0.2 percent increase in retail sales, excluding autos, was down from a 0.4 percent rise in September. It was the weakest showing since July.

In his comments on the economic outlooks, Bernanke said banks dealing with the wreckage from soured commercial real estate loans could slow progress on efforts to get credit flowing more freely again. And credit difficulties will limit the ability of some businesses to expand and hire.

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AP Economics Writer Jeannine Aversa and AP Retail Writer Mae Anderson in New York contributed to this report.

WASHINGTON — Improved retail sales gave Wall Street a boost Monday but provided little hope for a robust holiday shopping season that might invigorate the economic recovery. The October figures...
WASHINGTON — Improved retail sales gave Wall Street a boost Monday but provided little hope for a robust holiday shopping season that might invigorate the economic recovery. The October figures...
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- isis I'm a Fan of isis 19 fans permalink
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How can we spend money when wages are stagnant? Not be mention that it is terrible if our economy depends on us buying a bunch of stuff.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:20 PM on 11/16/2009
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"Even optimists predict scant improvement over last year's holiday season."

Now this is the kind of 'truth telling' we're looking for, right? Everybody has been expecting this Christmas season to be way bigger than last year's and now it's only a small improvement? I guess that's why we didn't see the market indexes rise higher than the 1-year high they hit. There was something in there about the stimulus beginning to wane in the early months of next year. That's odd on the website that was so upset that most of the stimulus is set to be released in 2010. I wonder what kind of truth telling that is.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:58 PM on 11/16/2009
- econ1 I'm a Fan of econ1 8 fans permalink

I am waiting for the government handout to buy new cloths.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:32 PM on 11/16/2009

Anyone at this point that is willing to put crap ahead of thier bills, house payments, education costs, is a mental case. Sorry, but crap just isn't worth the risk. Not in this economy. Those who have to have the latest pieces of junk need to get a hard dose of reality. That won't pay your bills. It does not put food on your table and it can't keep the forclosures from stealing your houses. People, don't let stores do this to you. You do not need more crap, you need to save to pay your bills. We do not know how long this depression is going to last, how long jobs will be there. Buying crap or the sales they push at us is as smart as staying in this damn war. Its foolish. I refuse to be a part of the christmas madness. That isn't what the holidays are about. Keeping our families together, staying close, affording those high gas prices to heat our homes is far more important. Stores don't care if you pay your gas bill, but the utility companies do. We are using money to help offset our family bills, the gift that really is usable, appreciated. Its smart, and the right thing to do.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:42 PM on 11/16/2009

There are at least a million more Americans unemployed than last year. This Christmas season will be dismal for retail sales.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:56 PM on 11/16/2009

I sympathize with those who are having to work retail to earn a living. Frankly, they dont' get what they deserve in pay. But the only way to send the message to corporate that getting the public to buy more when they cannot afford the basics, is just cruel, greedy and its got to be stopped. The only way is to boycott the stores. just don't buy. Don't get swayed by the fake ads that are mostly bait and switch. If enough people boycotted them, they might get the message. Its called, let them have thier black friday, and find out nobody wants to go deeper in debt. We cannot afford it. Folks, grow a brain, they dont' care if you go belly up, but you will if you lose your home, cannot pay your bills, afford food, clothing, the basics. And god forbid if you get sick. Just say NO to stores. I am not saying boycott christmas or channuka, but you dont need gifts to celebrate. Family over things should become your motto.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:49 PM on 11/16/2009
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Hows about you do what's best for your budget and we'll worry about ours? I'm not one of those half million desparate, despairing home owners who've been put into 31% pre-tax mortgages or one of those lost souls who have had their unemployment benefits extended by a full year, so I guess I'll have to spend extra. Darn this miserly administration!

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:03 PM on 11/16/2009
- norkas I'm a Fan of norkas 28 fans permalink

I spoke to someone who i consider very wise about wall street. I asked why the crazy upward movement of the market. His smart comment was there does not have to be a reason of logic and never bet against the flow of it going upwards or you will be wiped out.

I have seen the market go up over a 100 points with bad news over and over again and understood he is correct about the market. If the market flow is to move upwards regardless of any logic never bet against or you will have empty pockets.

I am thrilled the market is going up although I have no stocks it id great to see many people who lost so much are gaining some of it back in their retirement accounts and others. That is great news and I am optimistic about the future because he will have a real boom that will mostly be centered on a green economy and that is reality.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 06:34 PM on 11/16/2009
- Mnemanth I'm a Fan of Mnemanth 18 fans permalink
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"Against a background of high unemployment, low income growth and tight credit..."

Yes... so, what person in their right mind would go out and put themselves on the hook for 5+ years for a new car?
There are times- more and more lately- where the "quantified" reports don't match at all with the "qualified" reports, and this is just another example.
Something doesn't add up, if everything is to be believed.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 04:20 PM on 11/16/2009
- ibsteve2u I'm a Fan of ibsteve2u 149 fans permalink
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"so, what person in their right mind would go out and put themselves on the hook for 5+ years for a new car?"

Well, they get a big tax credit, and the reduction in their commuting costs due to getting much higher gas mileage makes their payment on a brand new car.

That explain their sanity sufficiently?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 05:35 PM on 11/16/2009
- econ1 I'm a Fan of econ1 8 fans permalink

They might be sane, but economic.....no.
A new car has a very high rate of depreciation in the first three years. Couple that with any taxes paid at purchase, higher registration costs in many states, and generally higher insurance costs and you have a very expensive transaction. Only if you drive a great many miles will the gas savings counteract the above.

You are almost always better off driving a 5-10 year old vehicle.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:36 PM on 11/16/2009

Obama's job creation programs have been ineffective

hat tip to: http://financeopinionss.blogspot.com

The only beneficiaries of this 'v shaped' recovery are the bankers, fund managers, and rest of the top 1%

no more bailouts

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:50 PM on 11/16/2009
- simplify I'm a Fan of simplify 41 fans permalink
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The media is part of the right wing conspiracy that wants President Obama to fail. Keep the low and middle classes fighting over the pie crumbs while the rich laugh all the way to the bank. That my friends is the role of the media
God knows they are all beholding to the corporations

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:56 PM on 11/16/2009
- simplify I'm a Fan of simplify 41 fans permalink
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As usual any good news on the economy is always greeted by skepticism and cynicism by the media. Everyone could have a job but the sky will still be falling.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 11/16/2009
- x004Ronin I'm a Fan of x004Ronin 36 fans permalink

People need to save more, period. We're not going back to the consumer spending growth of 2002 to 2006, when the savings rate dipped to negative 1% occasionally. Economic growth is going to have to come from investment in new technologies, not new Wal-Marts. That's why it's imperative that we fix our educational system ASAP. Half of all high school drop outs come from just 10% of all high schools.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:18 PM on 11/16/2009
- DuganS1 I'm a Fan of DuganS1 20 fans permalink

We need to invest in our best and brightest, not flush more money down the toilet by spending hundreds of millions more on failing students in failing schools in failing communities. Money is not the issue. Huge amounts of money has been pumped in those schools in the past 40 years with little to no result. If anything, the US govt should pay for students med-school, or pay for masters degrees in math, science, and engineering.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:37 PM on 11/16/2009
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Oh No! Goopers say this is FAILURE AGAIN! OMG! How can this be? I mean goopers keep praying for Obama to fail. And look, retail sales went up. Therefore, the sky is falling! Remember the gooper slogan, "FAILURE FIRST!"

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:16 PM on 11/16/2009

Obama's job creation programs have been ineffective

hat tip to: http://financeopinionss.blogspot.com

The only beneficiaries of this 'v shaped' recovery are the bankers, fund managers, and rest of the top 1%

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:40 AM on 11/16/2009
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What is the value of the derivative & swap contracts that were written in October?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:28 AM on 11/16/2009
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$39.99.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:08 PM on 11/16/2009
- rbspickles I'm a Fan of rbspickles 9 fans permalink

We have found out that we don't need all this stuff and can't afford to purchase all of this junk just to sit on top of the closet shelf.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:22 AM on 11/16/2009

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