iPhone app iPad app Android phone app Android tablet app More

Rachel Maddow, Frank Schaeffer Discuss The Latest In Thinly-Veiled Evangelical Christian Obama Death Threats

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 03:40 PM ET

Schaeffer

Apparently, the latest thing in "Debasing The Institutions You Pretend To Hold Dear In Order To Suggest That President Barack Obama Should Be Murdered Without Actually Coming Right Out And Saying So" goes by a shorter name: Psalm 109:8.

And Psalm 109:8 is just straight up memetastic, appearing on bumper stickers and T-shirts, all of which carry the benign sounding message, "Pray For Obama." But, as Gawker's John Cook points out, this is just one more in a "long line of cheekily coded Obama death threats." The verse in question reads: "May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership." That leads fairly naturally into the Psalm 109:9, "May his children be fatherless, and his wife a widow." You know, in case you miss the point.

Rachel Maddow took up this issue last night, inviting Patience With God author and Huffington Post blogger Frank Schaeffer to explain whether or not the citation of this Biblical text "means something less threatening to people hearing this in a Biblical context."

SCHAEFFER: No. Actually, it means something more threatening. I think that the situation that I find genuinely frightening right now is that you have a ramping up of Biblical language, language from the anti-abortion movement for instance, death panels and this sort of thing, and what it's coalescing into is branding Obama as Hitler, as they have already called him. And something foreign to our shores, we're reminded of that, he's born in Kenya. As brown, as black, above all, as not us. He is Sarah Palin's "not a real American." But now, it turns out, he joins the ranks of the unjust kings of ancient Israel, unjust rulers to which all these Biblical allusions are directed who should be slaughtered, if not by God, then by just men. So there's a parallel here with Timothy McVeigh's t-shirt on the day of the Oklahoma City bombing. He said the tree of liberty had to be watered by the blood of tyrants. That quote, we saw at a meeting where Obama was present carried on a placard by someone with a loaded weapon.


What we're looking at right now is two things going on. We see the evangelical groups I talked about in my new book, Patience With God, enthralled by an apocalyptic vision that I go into in some detail there. They represent the millions of people who have turned the Left Behind series into best sellers. Most of them are not crazy, they're just deluded. But there is a crazy fringe to whom all these little messages that have been pouring out of Fox News, now on a bumper sticker, talking about doing away with Obama, asking God to kill him. Really, this is trolling for assassins. This is serious business.

It's un-American. It's unpatriotic. And it goes to show that the religious right, the Republican far right have coalesced into a group who truly want American revolution. If it turns out to be blood in the streets and death, so be it. It's not funny stuff anymore. They cannot be dismissed as just crazies on the fringe. It only takes one. You know, look at the Boston Globe article from a few weeks ago that says the threat level faced by the Secret Service has gone up 400%, higher than any other time in 52 years, for any president, Democrat or Republican. These are no jokes.

Schaeffer added, "Look, this is the American version of the Taliban... this is the Old Testament Biblical equivalent of calling for holy war."

WATCH:

[Would you like to follow me on Twitter? Because why not? Also, please send tips to tv@huffingtonpost.com -- learn more about our media monitoring project here.]

FOLLOW HUFFPOST POLITICS

Apparently, the latest thing in "Debasing The Institutions You Pretend To Hold Dear In Order To Suggest That President Barack Obama Should Be Murdered Without Actually Coming Right Out And Saying So" ...
Apparently, the latest thing in "Debasing The Institutions You Pretend To Hold Dear In Order To Suggest That President Barack Obama Should Be Murdered Without Actually Coming Right Out And Saying So" ...
 
 
  • Comments
  • 3,385
  • Pending Comments
  • 0
  • View FAQ
Comments are closed for this entry
View All
Favorites
Bloggers
Recency  | 
Popularity
Page: 1 2 3 4 5  Next ›  Last »  (53 total)
07:44 PM on 01/13/2010
Calm down, folks. We have to learn to get along. Those shirts are sure tacky but no one is going to hurt our president, much less a Christian.
12:45 AM on 12/24/2009
Christians do not wish for people to be killed. Jesus said, "Love one another." God said, "Thou shalt not kill." There are people who "believe" that they are Christians. However, because they are not following what God and what Jesus said, those people are in fact being deceived.

I was so shocked recently when a supposed "Christian" woman told me she had been praying for our President to be assassinated. What in the world is the matter with people that they even consider such an evil thing that goes against the Ten Commandments? I reminded her about this, and she hated me for it!

Simple people's minds are being poisoned by a full-scale email campaign that apparently is capable of deceiving even good people into being hateful wicked demons.

That woman was not a Christian but a devil. And so are all the hordes of brainwashed simpletons who have allowed themselves to be deceived by hate, instead of doing as Christians are to do: Love one another, Pray for our country and our leaders, Love your neighbor. Stop the hate now! Educate christians who have strayed toward hatred. Hatred is not Jesus' way.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
09:18 PM on 12/15/2009
it's funny how things work out.the christian vote bush into office,.he screws up so bad we end up with obama.think about it if the christians didn't vote for bush we wounld'd have obama. maybe it's Jesus's way to punish the christians.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
gypsysailor
Things that might have been never were.
10:21 PM on 12/14/2009
It seems like the super Christians want to do something about him because he is right, and they are wrong, and they can't get over it. Rock on Mr. Pres.
05:40 PM on 11/29/2009
I voted for Obama in the hope that it wouldn't come to this, but, I knew deep inside that it would. We've had Democrat Presidents before, but, they were never villified like this. So, why Obama? Hmmm...let's see...he's the only BLACK President we've ever had. Now I see that the majority of white Evangelical Christians are racist to the core. There is no other reason for their behavior. And it's not surprising, considering that one of their beliefs is that people of African descent are descendents of Noah's son, Ham, and are cursed by God. May God save the President from stupid white men!
05:09 PM on 11/29/2009
The Evangelicals in the Conservative movement are no better than the Taliban. In fact, they're more insidious. Al Qaida isn't as much a threat to America as these fundamentalist wing-nuts definitely are!
09:17 AM on 11/24/2009
In The Name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
It is not "I" that lives but Christ lives in me (Galatians 2:20). It is not "Self" that lives but "Christ" lives in me. It is not "Self" that lives but "The Anointed One" - the One whose head/mind is anointed with the "Oil of Understanding" - the oil that lubricates the "seized-up" mind and gets it working again, understanding the TRUTH or WORD of God. It was, or is, "seized-up" because "Self" was, or is, jamming-up the works and blocking the channel through which the Holy Spirit can flow to "lead you into all righteousness" and wash you clean from inside, as it flows through you and then your "cup overflows" to others, to wash them clean with the TRUTH and the Light of understanding, that the now "working mind" receives in a Life united with God, its supply of understanding; oil and Light. Then the Light of understanding with its "shield of faith" (Ephesians 6) effortlessly and painlessly conquers the fear and darkness of ignorance (given by Satan and maintained by believing his lies) that lives in you. God thereby teaching you, from within ("in-tuition"), to be like Him, so that you need no man to teach you (1 John 2:27) because his "Self" will get in your way.
Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father Which is in heaven IS perfect.
09:14 AM on 11/24/2009
Significantly, Satan is not alone in his rulership of the world. He was successful in persuading some of the other angels to join him in rebellion against God. These became demons, his spirit accomplices. The Bible speaks of them when it urges Christians: "Stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but . . . against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places."—Ephesians 6:11, 12.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
marlalovestyler
05:22 PM on 02/14/2010
That's interesting but I am not sure what you are getting at. Could you please exaplin?
01:28 PM on 11/23/2009
Simple beneficial actions that would improve the USA

No taxpayer money to ever be given to any religious group or Church.

All churches to pay taxes. The USA needs it now more than ever.

With the tax money saved that is not given to churches and the additional money available from churches paying their taxes like everybody else that loves the USA hire 1000 plus additional Secret Service officers to concentrate on those who threaten our way of life by threatening to kill democratically elected officials.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
WilliamCooke
Peace. Justice. Generosity. Respect.
05:10 PM on 11/22/2009
People with apocalyptic expectations are attending Obama rallies with loaded assault rifles because they believe their 2nd Amendment rights are threatened. This is insane. Frank Schaeffer's views on this subject are timely and a passionate call for Americans to speak out in defense of common sense. THANK YOU!!
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
norman60
01:20 PM on 11/22/2009
Just imagine this...
GOPers, go find something better to do with your hands and knees. Imagine if you knew God you mis-represent. Imagine if you had a modicum of the love of God in your hearts, you would be praying for this nation to live in peace, godliness, for economic recovery(which one of your sons wrecked) and for guidance on the nations leaders. I got a question for these brood of vipers. To kill Obama or to save Obama, what would Jesus do? You man - killing christians remember the words of the Master "The son of man came to save men's lives". (Luke 9:56 ... For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.."). The devil, you father is a hater and muderer and you are like him.
07:29 PM on 11/21/2009
I looked up Psalm 109 in my large print NRSV Bible and used the unusual approach of starting at verse 1.
From that it is clear that verse 9 is part of what the "wicked and deceitful" are saying against King David with their "lying tongues".
"For wicked and deceitful mouths are opened against me, speaking against me with lying tongues. They beset me with words of hate, and attack me without cause. (Verses 2,3)
King David nailed them, 3000 years ago.

Text available online at : http://bible.oremus.org/?passage=Psalm+109
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
ShinjiIkari
Do you understand how stupid it is to be afraid?
08:31 AM on 11/21/2009
If you want to counter these Christian bigots, there are lots of verses from which to choose. I favor Psalms 72:12--

The righteous King "will save the person in need that is crying for help.
And he will save the poor that nobody is giving help to."
07:43 PM on 11/21/2009
I sometimes try to weed them out by quoting from Mark 19:22-24, which can say pretty much whatever you want to say. (Mark has no chapter 19, but a lot of religious bigots have never read it and don't know that.)

Then there's the saying about it being easier for a rich man to get into heaven than to push a poor man through the eye of a camel... or something like that. Some of the free enterprise religious bigots just nod and accept that one.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
briarus42
07:44 PM on 11/20/2009
Why is this A surprise for anyone? Have you guys heard of the Crusades ? The Crusaders were told they would meet and rescue Jesus on the not so victorious first Crusade. The Holy Relics powered the next
one .In short the Christian faith from its formal inception or even before the council of Nicea has been used as A tool of violence. We have to kill torture rape maim burn flay decapitate mutilate gouge the eyes out of boil dismember shoot hang poison starve disembowel stab drown this person or that because GOD said we should . Which always seems to be the handy Christian justification for stealing and political violence. Not to be outdone most mass murderers and serial murderers , really this is true , attribute their actions to Gods instructions or the voice of Jesus.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
MichB1
12:37 PM on 11/22/2009
Ignorance vs. ignorance doesn't accomplish sh*t.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
luciadulu
06:40 PM on 11/23/2009
Thanks, MichB1. Blaming an entire religion for the faults of a few is never going to get us out of this horrible cycle of violence.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
norman60
12:35 PM on 11/20/2009
To pastor Anderson:
Pastors like him drive many many soul away from the church.
Rather than kill your elected president, why not send the same powerful prayer of to save him? What will love do: Kill or save?
If you must kill, there is something we need to kill. You can then declare war on the bad economy and kill it with your prayer.
Let me ask you Pastor Anderson, If God brook your tooth or killed your church members everytime you messed up, where would you be today?
You man killing christians remember the words of the Master "The son of man came to save men's lives"
(Luke 9:56 ... For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them..")