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Rep. Patrick Kennedy Banned From Receiving Communion By Bishop Thomas Tobin

RAY HENRY   11/22/09 11:36 PM ET   AP

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EAST PROVIDENCE, R.I. — A month of harsh words between Rep. Patrick Kennedy and a strident critic, Roman Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin, escalated Sunday when the bishop acknowledged asking Kennedy not to receive Holy Communion because of the Democratic lawmaker's support for abortion rights.

The bishop's attempt to publicly shame Kennedy comes just a few months after the death of his father, Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts. Tobin told The Associated Press in an interview Sunday that he's praying for the younger Kennedy, who has been in and out of treatment for substance abuse, and said Kennedy has been acting "erratically."

"He attacked the church, he attacked the position of the church on health care, on abortion, on funding," Tobin said. "And that required that I respond. I don't go out looking for these guys. I don't go out picking these fights."

Their dispute began in October when Kennedy criticized the nation's Catholic bishops for threatening to oppose an overhaul of the nation's health care system unless lawmakers included tighter restrictions on abortion, which have since been added to the House version of the bill. Tobin said he felt Kennedy made an unprovoked attack on the church and demanded an apology.

Since then, their feud has played out in public. Tobin, who has said he might have gone into politics were he not ordained, has written sharp public letters questioning Kennedy's faith and saying his position is scandalous and unacceptable to the church. Kennedy has said his disagreement with the church hierarchy does not make him any less of a Catholic.

Two weeks ago, after a planned meeting between the two fell through, Kennedy said he wanted to stop discussing his faith in public. But then he told The Providence Journal in a story published Sunday that Tobin instructed him not to receive Communion. He also claimed the bishop had told diocesan priests not to give him Communion. Kennedy and his spokespeople did not return repeated requests from the AP seeking comment.

Tobin said he wrote to Kennedy in February 2007 asking him not to receive Communion, but never formally banned Kennedy from receiving Communion or instructed any priest not to give it to him.

Kennedy said this month that he receives Communion, but he did not say whether his priest is in the Diocese of Providence. Tobin only has authority over priests in Rhode Island.

The bishop said he would probably not personally give Kennedy Communion and might have "a little conversation" with any priest who regularly gave Kennedy the sacrament.

Tobin said his 2007 request was prompted by a statement in December 2006 from the nation's Catholic bishops, which said believers who knowingly and consistently break with church teachings on moral issues such as abortion should refrain from Communion, a central focus of Roman Catholic worship.

Tobin would not say Sunday whether he had sent similar letters to other pro-choice Catholic politicians, including Sen. Jack Reed, D-R.I. Reed said in a statement that he respected Tobin's authority on matters of faith but added that "any discussions we've had are between the two of us."

In Rhode Island, the nation's most Catholic state, the monthlong drama has had a mixed reception from rank-and-file Catholics, who get far less scrutiny over their abortion views than Catholic politicians.

Angel Madera, 20, a Marine visiting his home in Providence for Thanksgiving, said before going to a Sunday Mass that Tobin was wrong in publicly assailing Kennedy's faith.

"If they believe they're a true Catholic, who's to say that they're not?" he said.

Several others, like 74-year-old Anne Mitchell said she supported Tobin's attempts to keep strong limits on publicly financed abortion, even though she believed Kennedy was right in saying the country needs health care reform.

"Abortion is wrong. It's always wrong," she said. "Keep abortion out of the bills."

Abortion is a major concern for the Catholic bishops because opposition to the procedure is based on the church's earliest teachings on preserving human life, which have not changed. By comparison, church teaching on the death penalty is not as definitive and has changed over time, making it difficult for church leaders to demand that Catholic lawmakers agree.

Only a few U.S. bishops have said they would outright deny Holy Communion to a Catholic lawmaker who supports policies that violate church teaching. A larger number of prelates have publicly asked a Catholic politician to voluntarily abstain from the sacrament.

For example, Archbishop Joseph Naumann of the Archdiocese of Kansas City in Kansas has repeatedly said that former Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, a Catholic Democrat who supports abortion rights, should stop taking Communion until she changes her stance. Sebelius is now President Barack Obama's secretary of Health and Human Services.

Other Catholic politicians have wrestled with the same issue Kennedy faces.

In 1984, former Democratic New York Gov. Mario Cuomo, a Catholic who supported abortion rights and was at the time a potential presidential candidate, delivered a speech at the University of Notre Dame explaining that Catholic lawmakers shouldn't be pressured by church leaders to work for anti-abortion legislation. He said Sunday it's dangerous for the church to pressure politicians because of the potential for unintended consequences.

"If you're required (by the church) to make everybody follow your Catholic role, then nobody would vote for Catholics because it's clear that when you get the authority, you're going to be guided by your faith," the former governor told the AP.

Cuomo said there are two positions a politician can take: They can oppose church doctrine outright or, as he did, accept church teachings personally but refuse to carry them into the public arena where they would affect people of every faith.

"Don't ask me to make everybody live by it because they are not members of the church," Cuomo said. "If that were the operative rule, how could you get any Catholic politician in office? And would that be better for the Catholic church?"

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Associated Press Writer Rik Stevens in Albany, N.Y., AP Religion Writer Rachel Zoll in New York City and Associated Press Writer Michelle R. Smith in Providence contributed to this report.

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DUSAA-1775
never moon a werewolf
07:07 AM on 12/03/2009
I would think that a retired wise judge would have had time to research before he wrote this article.
The bishop never barred Patrick Kennedy from receiving communion. In all articles about this that statement is made...and it never happened. And in all articles it is alluded that the Bishop brought this up a few short weeks after the death of Ted Kennedy.The bishop[ did not bring it up then...Patrick Kennedy did.
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08:05 AM on 11/29/2009
aligning yourself with a religion for political purposes without adhering to its doctrine sounds so Kennedy like...I'm a "Kennedy Catholic", too.... just catholic enough to get me into Notre Dame, but not enough to keep me from partying like a rock star.
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Tugar
"We The People"
09:23 AM on 11/28/2009
OH......... THE HYPOCRACY OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH !

They condone the unsavory acts of a priest for years, supporting his mistress, yet they climb on a "HOLIER THAN THOU" bandwagon on the subject of "PRO-LIFE" !
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Tugar
"We The People"
09:52 AM on 11/28/2009
AND THEY USE THE PARISHONER'S MONEY TO SUPPORT THE NONSENSE PERPETRATED BY PRIESTS WHO CANNOT LIVE BY THEIR OUT OF DATE......CHURCH RULES !
05:33 PM on 11/27/2009
Why does the Catholic Church feel they are allowed to use the Health Care reform to enforce their moral law on abortion? If they are allowed "at the table" than we need to also seat the Protestant, Jewish, Muslim etc at the table also. This is a church of arrogant males making law for people that are not held to the laws of the Catholic church. If the church is so concerned about Federal tax dollars paying for abortion, where is there outrage for tax dollars that have been spent counseling and nurturing the thousands of sexually abused individuals. This country is a democracy, we don't have a national religion, therefore, no individual religion has the right to demand anything. Do we then decide our vote for representatives and senators based on their faith? I think that would be a real twist to democracy. Withholding communion from someone is not part of my faith. My desire to take communion is between me and God, and if I am in a state of sin, that also is between me and God. This issue really distrubs me.
11:31 AM on 11/26/2009
It seems to me that Catholic leaders ought to lay low for a century or two while they clean up their own filth. This article in today's NYT is just the latest:

Church Covered Up Child Abuse in Ireland, Panel Finds
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS 6 minutes ago
The Roman Catholic Church in Dublin covered up decades of priests’ sexual abuse of children because its bishops were determined to protect the church’s reputation at the expense of victims, an expert commission reported.

If you compound this with all the child rape and abuse that took place in Catholic churches and schools in the USA in recent decades, it seems like the Bishops are about the last place to look for counsel on such moral subjects.
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RuthAlice
02:58 PM on 11/25/2009
This sort of hypocrisy drives me crazy. No Catholic church is threatening to withhold homeless services until we abolish the death penalty. Antonin Scalia is not disinvited from communion even though you could scour the world from top to bottom to find someone more enthusiastic about the death penalty or who cares less about execution of wrongfully convicted people. When the Catholic Church tells the deathmonger Scalia he is not welcome, perhaps someone will give a damn what they think. At the moment, their single-minded obsession with abortion with their complete disregard of the death penalty of the illegal war in Iraq shows that they are not pro-life, they are simply anti-woman.
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One more Thing
10:32 PM on 11/25/2009
Could be they are trying to deflect attention from their owns sins.
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Mark Twaine
02:28 PM on 11/24/2009
If he wants to fight immorality he could form a priest brigade and go the Afghanistan.
10:16 AM on 11/24/2009
I'm sure many of you saw the Chris Mathews Interview yesterday with this Priest. Let me say this, it is sad to see hate hides behind morality and Christianity. Chris made a great point when he said the Catholic Church can't get anyone to follow their moral position and now they're trying to use the law to get thier position across. What happened to the sepration of Church and State. Who is this guy to stop someone from taking comunion. Let me guess, is the Priest trying to play the ultimate decision maker?
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Mark Twaine
02:18 PM on 11/24/2009
Maybe he wants to be the Catholic church's "Joe the Plumber."
09:44 AM on 11/24/2009
Religion, The Worlds terminal cancer
09:40 AM on 11/24/2009
Has anyone asked Lieberman,
how he can support USA's subsidy
of Israel's PUBLIC health care system
and oppose same for Americans?
10:52 AM on 11/24/2009
I'll ask him if I see this your same post on 5 more non-related articles on huffpost.
02:19 PM on 11/24/2009
A good question however,
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JHCowboy
09:37 AM on 11/24/2009
Chris Matthews ripped Thomas Tobin a new one on Hard Ball. He really argued the logical issue all the way to the fact that if abortion truly is murder as they claim then it should be criminalized and women and abortion doctors should be put in jail for it. That's when Tobin backed down a little bit and realized what a quandary he is in by trying to legislate the Catholic Church's moral views through influencing Catholics how to vote. If I were Patrick Kennedy I would either just ignore Tobin or tell him to jump in the river or just disassociate myself from that arcane and controlling religion.
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Mark Twaine
02:20 PM on 11/24/2009
Problem is too many people are "under the spell."
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joebaggadonuts
Civilization: Evolutionary pathway of choice.
09:22 AM on 11/24/2009
Kennedy's like to fight for positive social change. How about this one. Hit the Church. Take away their tax free status. No communion, no tax free status. Simple as that. Show some spine. Introduce the legislation. The Church has been leeching off the rest of us for too long.
10:12 AM on 11/24/2009
I have to agree with you. The bad part about that it will hit the smaller churches who are doing the right thing
12:04 PM on 11/24/2009
Very few are doing the "right thing." The original idea behind tax exemption was to compensate the churches for their important social work. The Catholic Church is the only one that I am aware of that does anything for non-members, without expecting them to become members and tithers. Most of the churches spend their tax-free money on themselves. Evangelizing, building big, fancy facilities to attract new members.
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HGfromOmaha
A hungry, free man not a well-fed slave
08:24 AM on 11/24/2009
Nothing like another human being, who eats, sleeps, breathes and takes a dump just like every other human being on the planet, having the guts to tell you what you can and can't do with your personal relationship with God.

So basically what this priest is saying is that he is the "Decider-In-Chief" of who gets to go to Heaven.

I never knew man had the authority to decide for God. Interesting......
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Mark Twaine
02:23 PM on 11/24/2009
He thinks he's the Giant in Jack and the Bean Stalk."
07:43 AM on 11/24/2009
I don't think any red head should be able to take communion. . .
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GoldStarMom
Reading is Fundamentalism ... in Texas.
07:14 AM on 11/24/2009
When religious leaders try to insert their religion's beliefs into our nation's laws, they need to have their tax exempt status revoked. When a politician puts their religious belief before the needs of our nation, they need to resign their political position, to avoid conflict of interest.

Religious doctrine -- from ANY religion -- doesn't belong in politics. Likewise, politics doesn't need to medel in religious dogma, unless some religion were to institute policies that violated the laws of our nation.

If ones religious beliefs and political obligations conflict with each other, the person holding political office needs to decide which obligation he supports most, and act accordingly.
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joebaggadonuts
Civilization: Evolutionary pathway of choice.
09:23 AM on 11/24/2009
AMEN!!!