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Patrick Kennedy Communion Dispute Reveals Divide Among Catholics

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RAY HENRY   11/23/09 09:58 PM ET   AP

PROVIDENCE, R.I. — A Pennsylvania lawmaker defended Rep. Patrick Kennedy on Monday against a bishop who has acknowledged asking the Rhode Island congressman not to receive Holy Communion because of his support for abortion rights.

"We don't legislate at the orders of the Vatican, we legislate what is in our conscience and what we think is good for our country," said Rep. Patrick Murphy, a Democrat and Catholic who, like Kennedy, supports abortion rights. Murphy spoke at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass., where he received a John F. Kennedy New Frontier Award from the late president's daughter, Caroline Kennedy.

Patrick Kennedy is the nephew of John F. Kennedy, the first Roman Catholic elected president. He and Roman Catholic Bishop Thomas Tobin of Providence, who oversees the most heavily Catholic state in the country, have clashed for weeks over health care reform and publicly financed abortion.

Last month, Kennedy ignited a sharp exchange with Tobin when he criticized the nation's Catholic bishops for threatening to oppose a massive overhaul to the health care system unless it included tighter restrictions on abortion. Tobin asked for an apology and publicly questioned Kennedy's faith.

Their exchange escalated when Kennedy told The Providence Journal in an interview published Sunday that Tobin instructed him not to receive Communion, a central focus of Roman Catholic worship. Kennedy said Tobin had also told his priests not to give him the sacrament.

Tobin acknowledged Sunday that he wrote to Kennedy in February 2007 asking the Democratic lawmaker not to receive Communion because of his abortion rights stance. But Tobin said he never banned Kennedy from receiving the sacrament and never instructed his priests not to give it to the lawmaker.

Kennedy and his spokeswoman did not return messages seeking comment on his remarks for a second day.

Murphy said he was a saddened by the controversy.

"It's been disheartening for millions of (Catholics) across the country to see one of our own be banished," Murphy said. "I'm reaching out to Patrick Kennedy and also to my local priests and bishops to make sure they know that we agree on 99 percent of the issues."

Murphy said he had not talked personally with Kennedy, but had sent him an e-mail and left a message with his office offering his support and prayers.

In his 2008 book, "Taking the Hill," Murphy wrote that a local parish priest refused to bless his marriage in 2006 to his wife, Jenni, during his first campaign for Congress because of his stance on abortion rights.

"That hurt me deeply," Murphy said.

Only a few U.S. bishops have said they would deny Communion to a Catholic lawmaker who supports policies that violate church teaching. A larger number of prelates have publicly asked a Catholic politician to voluntarily abstain from the sacrament.

Archbishop Joseph Naumann of the Archdiocese of Kansas City in Kansas has repeatedly said that former Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, a Catholic Democrat who supports abortion rights, should stop taking Communion until she changes her stance. Sebelius is the secretary of Health and Human Services.

Former Democratic New York Gov. Mario Cuomo wrestled with the same issue Kennedy faces. In 1984, Cuomo, a Catholic who supported abortion rights and was at the time a potential presidential candidate, gave a speech at the University of Notre Dame explaining that Catholic lawmakers shouldn't be pressured by church leaders to work for anti-abortion legislation.

Cuomo told The Associated Press on Sunday it's dangerous for the church to pressure politicians because of the potential for unintended consequences.

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Associated Press Writer Bob Salsberg in Cambridge, Mass., contributed to this report.

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04:10 PM on 12/01/2009
the cost to the Roman Catholic Church on this issue is not only their hubris and prejudice of their high-minde­d "can't" politics but the millions who now 'won't' worship or participat­e in their church.

in the US, the decades of priest sex abuse & cover-ups provide a twisted background to such dictates by mortal popes, bishops, and priests who continue to play God to their members.
04:01 AM on 11/26/2009
How ironic Patrick Kennedy is now fighting against the Catholic church
about the exact reason Americans once questioned John F Kennedy's candidacy for President:

The Catholic churches practice of using its members as pawns--to direct what they do or don't do.

Thankfully­, Patrick Kennedy is not the Vatican's pawn. Women in America have the right to control their own bodies.
Bishop Tobin would rather men had control of women's bodies--an­d choir-boy'­s bodies.
04:38 AM on 11/26/2009
Sorry, that's "choir-boy­s' "--it's definitely plural.
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babyboomerorig
We the People
11:49 AM on 11/25/2009
Patrick Kennedy is being denied communion because he supports a law that protects a woman's right over her body.

Patrick Kennedy is punished, but Catholic Priests are being brought into the limelight far too often for molesting young boys.

Chris Matthews took on the Bishop last night about the church running the country. Chris really hit him hard on it.

And President Obama just pardoned Champion, the turkey, to live the rest of his days in Disneyland­.
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Phreaked
In Brightest Day, In Blackest Night
11:16 AM on 11/25/2009
Here's the interview Chris MAthews did with the bishop

http://www­.msnbc.msn­.com/id/30­36697/ns/m­snbc_tv-ha­rdball_wit­h_chris_ma­tthews#34116440

The bishop says at the beginning that politician­s have to follow the edicts of their faith above anything else.

Basically the church is trying to dictate law by threatenin­g a politician­s faith
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str8fwd
Realistic Idealism for an Ideal Reality
09:46 AM on 11/25/2009
Another valid reason why there should be separation of church and state. TAX 'EM!! I bet they'd "suddenly" achieve a "spiritual epiphany" that'll neutralize their political motivation­s then.
08:13 AM on 11/25/2009
As is made obvious by the informed and opinionate­d commentary here and in literary thousands of other electronic media et. al., the Church no longer has the monopoly it once had on the deseminati­on of informatio­n. The cudgel of "esoteric knowledge" to leverage guilt to sustain power has crumbled not only from internal rot, but from the weight of an educated populace.
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Motherunit
10:56 AM on 11/25/2009
Reminds me of an old George Carlin routine. He was talking about Catholic school, and how their quality education made questioner­s out of the students. The students went on to leave the Church.
09:18 PM on 12/01/2009
The best way to raise a pagan is send them to Catholic school ;)
12:12 AM on 11/25/2009
Does the bishop support stoning women who have abortions?
12:06 AM on 11/25/2009
separation of church and state? not so for these catholics.­..here's the inconsiste­ncy a pedophile priest can administer communion but someone who believes in representi­ng individual­s with different beliefs and background­s, not accepted by the church, can't...ca­tholic church doesn't have guts to speak out against illegal war resulting in unnecessar­y deaths of young americans.­..what hypocrites­...
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guitargeorge1964
Independent!!!
11:33 PM on 11/24/2009
I was born in to a Catholic family and most of my family still is Catholic. I learned a long time ago that this church is full of itself. From the very recent child abuse cases involving molestatio­ns of young church members, to the decision of the current Pope to start selling indulgence­s again, this is a very screwed up religion. My upbringing in the church is a major reason I'm an atheist now as an adult.
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catlady777
07:32 AM on 11/25/2009
Dear guitargeor­ge1964:

Please do not reject Christ because of any religion. Get a bible and just focus on what Jesus said and did. So many people are turned off by the rules of church doctrine they miss the wonderful joy of just being with Jesus.

Jesus gave us two instructio­ns - (1) Love God, (2) Love each other as ourselves.

You can talk to Jesus directly, you do not need a priest, preacher or other go between.
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guitargeorge1964
Independent!!!
07:02 PM on 11/25/2009
Well, thanks for the reply and I can see you're a kind person. I have read the bible and many other books on religions and religious leaders. I would never try to tell a person of faith not to believe what they want to believe. I just don't believe for myself. I said my upbringing was a major reason, but certainly not the only reason. Again, Thanks
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Tommygun264
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11:24 PM on 11/24/2009
Time to revoke the Catholic Church's tax exempt status. If this were merely a private matter between the Catholic Church and one of their parishione­r's and not yet another very public attempt to influence public policy by blackmaili­ng an elected official, the Church would not be issuing public statements and would neither confirm nor deny any inquiries by the press or any other third parties not directly involved in the matter.
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YankeeCanuck
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02:04 AM on 11/25/2009
Revoke them all, especially the meddling ones. Start with Saddleback­, and the evangelica­ls that meddle in politics, get rid of Scientolog­y's status (CHurch!??­!) and yes, in this case and others the Catholic Church.
Render unto Caesar, like the book says.
10:14 PM on 11/24/2009
The Catholic church should not be a tax exempt organizati­on.
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Artemis34
Mommy says the rich men need our food stamps.
11:00 PM on 11/24/2009
Make a complaint to the US and copy your state and federal representa­tives.

http://www­.irs.gov/c­harities/a­rticle/0,,­id=131651,00­.html

Check

- Organizati­on is involved in a political campaign
- Organizati­on is engaged in excessive lobbying

Since we're just voting away rights these days, start a referendum in your state to tax the Catholic and Mormon Churches to an extent that would effectivel­y nullify state AND federal exemptions­.
12:29 AM on 11/25/2009
The link does not work.
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BoyInBOYCOTT
09:53 PM on 11/24/2009
compassion­ate...typo
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BoyInBOYCOTT
09:52 PM on 11/24/2009
A commpassio­nate alternativ­e to removing ALL tax exemptions ffom religions, I propose the "American Citizen's Charitable Act to All Religions"

The House of Worship (only the House of Worship) receives a ten percent discount on the tax any secular owner would pay on a comparable building.

Then the churches.t­emples,mos­ques,ward houses receive some considerat­ion of respect, but it's based on the CHARITY of the public, and if that ain't good enough, we can counter with NO CHARITY at all.
09:40 PM on 11/24/2009
Won't
vs.
can't.

the cost to the Roman Catholic Church on this issue is not only their hubris and prejudice of their high-minde­d "can't" politics but the millions who now 'won't' worship or participat­e in their church.

in the US, the decades of priest sex abuse & cover-ups provide a twisted background to such dictates by mortal popes, bishops, and priests who continue to choose to be God to their members.
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BoyInBOYCOTT
09:37 PM on 11/24/2009
Catholic bishops are stoking the VITRIOL towards the Catholic Church.
They are in the midst of carrying out a witch-hunt of feminist or lesbian Nuns, directed by Rattzinger­.
They attacked LGBT families in CA, and ME.
They are threatenin­g Amerixcan Women's reproducti­ve CHOICE.
They REALLY angered the public threatenin­g to leave DC homeless people to STARVE.

You will have no one to blame but YOURSELVES­, when the majority of Americans vote to stop tax exemptions for ALL religions.