Google Search Results For Tiananmen Square: UK Vs. China (PICTURE)

While we know Google and China have had a tumultuous relationship at best, seeing the contrast in image search results between China and the UK for "Tiananmen Square protest" is a stark reminder that Web is not without borders in many practical ways. There is a disclaimer on the Chinese results that state "According to local laws, regulations and policies, some search results are not shown." (Via Reddit)

Comments

[vet-of4renwarz]

11:22 AM on 12/02/2009

Hey Metro... where are your screen shots to prove all of us wrong ?

[MetroDiningMan]

11:25 AM on 12/02/2009

coming up now

[vet-of4renwarz]

11:29 AM on 12/02/2009

remember to post the result from traceroute along with your screenshot so anyone with any IT knowledge can show you how wrong you are...

have a nice rest of stay... I'm done with this 'debate'

[MetroDiningMan]

11:42 AM on 12/02/2009

http://metrodiningdelivery.com/images/china1.jpg
http://metrodiningdelivery.com/images/china2.jpg
http://metrodiningdelivery.com/images/china3.jpg
Within China's firewall search results.

[vet-of4renwarz]

12:03 PM on 12/02/2009

These are also your personal searches and not your "friends" in China... I highly doubt they would have coding error on their windows os from the chinese fonts since I guess they are chinese?... hahahahaz... btw still waiting on those to really end your debate and ruin any credibility that you have left in this matter...

[vet-of4renwarz]

01:14 PM on 12/02/2009

Someone.. anyone please find one site from the results above that is from China.. as in .cn ... you can't find any right... because you are not behind the firewall, your search results returned with foreign pages from foreign servers... end of story..

[MetroDiningMan]

11:19 AM on 12/02/2009

Everyone should go to this site http://www.chinachannel.hk/ and read what they are about!
They are here to help everyone understand how bad the CCP is and allow you to browse freely behind the China firewall. And "Vet"... before commenting on this post how about you actually click on the link and read how this is accomplished.

[vet-of4renwarz]

11:21 AM on 12/02/2009

Hahaha... I went there, why would I bring up their network diagram and tell you to understand it in the previous fifth post? Maybe you should understand how that works as well before telling the whole world to drink your koolaid

[MetroDiningMan]

10:28 AM on 12/02/2009

Your argument is flawed, I'm sorry to say, It is an incorrect search using the WRONG terms!

Search for images of "sushi" in the US or UK, and then search in Japan you will get completely different images in Japan "none of the most popular images around the world" of sushi show up on google.co.jp! Sushi is from Japan so it would make sense that they have different images and different results! Search for images of Hiroshima in Japan and then in the US you get different image results in Japan vs the rest of the world!

I'm not saying your claim that China's censorship and control of thought isn't deplorable. Just that this particular example image is not a valid example of the censorship. It is a good example of how searching for the wrong thing can lead you to incorrect conclusions.

I used a program to allow me to go behind china's firewall and perform the same search you have posted here, if the right terms are used you get the correct images of the massacre.
I also did an image search using your example terms as well and in the image results, you do get images of Tienanmen Square Protests, some on the second or third pages. But if you search for "Beijing Massacre" or "June Fourth Incident" you do get the correct results.

Please stop perpetuating hearsay in our society and think analytically and realize different cultures call things and events by different names!

[vet-of4renwarz]

10:59 AM on 12/02/2009

Again misinformation... understand the network diagram before thinking that you are behind the China's Firewall... you are not, you being rerouted, you are not physically getting into a Chinese server... it's a simple fact that you've failed to understand !

And where are the screen shots from your buddy(ies) in China that you said you are going to post with June Fourth term?... because they can't, all the information on that topic has been censored regardless of what term you want to use... Stop trying to explain yourself when others before you have done this over and over... stop talking like you are the first one to figure out new ways... you are not, it has been done before...

You are back pedaling on your initial argument because I've proved that you are wrong over and over again and what the article stated is right... I'm done trying to explain this thru your thick head... if you want to believe what you say, it's your choice, but stop spreading misinformation because you fail to understand network setup and how China operates-this is reality...

[MetroDiningMan]

11:12 AM on 12/02/2009

MY GOD I WAS BEHIND THE FIREWALL! They blocked a lot of information, the point of http://www.chinachannel.hk/ is just that to educate Americans that don't understand true censorship. But your one argument is failing over and over. It is not an interchangeable term and any further discussion with you is pointless. Keep sticking your fingers in your ears and chanting! real mature

[MetroDiningMan]

06:29 PM on 12/01/2009

Well, you had me second guessing myself until i found an awesome plug-in for Firefox called "China Channel" which takes you behind china's firewall.
Guess what? The same images came up on Google.cn image search when I used the proper terms of "June Fourth Incident" or "Beijing Massacre".
Now don't misunderstand me i know and acknowledge China censors what the populace has access to, but my point is you are defending a misleading photo!
The Peoples Republic of China does not refer to the incident the same as in the US, that is just fact... it is not open for debate.

[MetroDiningMan]

07:46 PM on 12/01/2009

Even if you make the point that the Chinese people are unable to click on those links because the sites are blocked by the Chinese government that is NOT the point of this article! This article is stipulating that Google for some reason blocks image results for this incident, which is false in this case. This photo is nothing more than an example of an improper search being performed. That was my main point here.

Find some good examples that are not misleading to the readers and I'd be behind it all the way!

This is NOT a good example of censorship this is just an example of someone not knowing what they should be searching for.

[vet-of4renwarz]

09:38 AM on 12/02/2009

Hahahahahaz... wow, you should quit, you are just digging deeper and deeper

The article did not say Google blocked the images. China did. I have mentioned to you before READ the original source where the article is coming from.. and I do hope you understand Chinese because MANY commented on the original article in Chinese with your search terms.

Problem two. You are using English search terms. Please familiarize yourself with how search engine works and tags. If you type in the Chinese for both June Fourth and Tiananmen Square... well guess what, they are interchangeable in China. Then again you would know that if you've read the original post.

You had to download a special plugin to get behind the China firewall? I highly doubt you are actually behind the Chinese firewall... go back and look at the network diagram again. You are REROUTED to the proxy. You obviously haven't lived in China for long. I fricken worked there for years, so let me explain this to you. Every server in China gets a license from the CCP's internet security department, when you go to a Chinese website at the bottom of the page you will get a network serial ID. Now that ID let the Chinese government know where that page is being host.. aka control...

[tsopffuh]

10:20 AM on 12/01/2009

http://images.google.cn/images?hl=zh-CN&um=1&q=june+fourth+incident&sa=N&start=0&ndsp=21

As per the below comment, I searched "june fourth incident" under China Google images. that is what came up. try it yourself at images.google.cn

It is not exactly the same but just as pertinent. I agree that the author should have considered the cultural difference of the names. I think all this further proves is that the Chinese don't refer to it as the tianenmen square massacre. You could make the argument that "june 4 incident" is not the best way to refer to this ( I wouldn't agree with you).

I think you should correct or remove this post, because the intention seems to be to "prove" some sort of google/Chinese censorship or collusion. Good intentions ( I am not against intelligent criticisms of any government or corporation), but inaccurate in this case.

Best Wishes.

[vet-of4renwarz]

11:49 AM on 12/01/2009

Have you and the d1nkleberry below even read through or check out the origin of the post? The fact is China DO censor their searches and results when you do it from INSIDE China... you can go to a Chinese version of the web browser but it's not going to be the same...

Fact: When you search June Fourth on google.cn the results you get are NOT Chinese websites... they are results from servers OUTSIDE of China. With the exception of hong kong sites (.hk) ... because China blocked all of the contents that portray a negative image of the CCP

Fact: Using a Chinese version of the website doesn't mean you are behind the Chinese firewall.

Fact: People needs to do more critical thinking before bombarding useless comments to stuff they know nothing about !

Fact: I should stop using the word 'Fact'...

[vet-of4renwarz]

11:52 AM on 12/01/2009

Fact: When you search June Fourth on google.cn the results you get are NOT Chinese websites..­. they are results from servers OUTSIDE of China. With the exception of hong kong sites (.hk) ... because HK still has some form of free press... that's why they-along with Macau-holds memorials every year for the June 4th/Tiananmen Square Incident

Fact: China blocked all of the contents that portray a negative image of the CCP

Fact: Using a Chinese version of the website doesn't mean you are behind the Chinese firewall.

Fact: People needs to do more critical thinking before bombarding useless comments to stuff they know nothing about !

Fact: I should stop using the word 'Fact'...

[MetroDiningMan]

07:09 PM on 12/01/2009

Umm dude,

FACT! - I did a search behind the firewall using a Firefox plug in specifically designed just for this point called "China Channel"
FACT! - YOU ARE WRONG!
FACT - I got same results as i got OUTSIDE the firewall.
FACT - I'm married to a Malaysian/Indian and LIVED in Asia for 4 years so stop acting like you are the ONLY person in the world that has been to china
FACT - you're the "Dingle-berry"

[MetroDiningMan]

02:28 AM on 11/30/2009

The Peoples Republic of China doesn't refer to it as "The Tienanmen Square Protest" because they don't want to confuse it with other earlier protests! That is why it is called "The June Fourth Incident" This site should know better than to post a misleading photo like this without doing research! This kind of photo perpetuates hearsay within our society and media! It took me TWO SECONDS to look up what the Chinese call the incident before believing what was presented here!

[MetroDiningMan]

02:25 PM on 11/30/2009

Hmm..... everyone is quiet now? no comment on your mistakes?

[MetroDiningMan]

02:34 PM on 11/30/2009

How about a retraction in the main article?
Or maybe a correction and clarification?

[MetroDiningMan]

02:23 AM on 11/30/2009

Search "June Forth Incident" or "Beijing Massacre" on China's Search engine and you will find the same images as in the UK or USA and even some more graphic than there.

[MetroDiningMan]

02:30 PM on 11/30/2009

If this article is suddenly deleted, I will post the screen shots and image i just took of it as well! So be forewarned­, I will post your "censorship" if you take any action like the one you claim to detest within this article! Don't be a hypocrite.

[MetroDiningMan]

02:36 PM on 11/30/2009

I know I'm harping on the same point here but this kind of misinformation just makes me angry, it shows the lack of journalistic integrity in our society today!

[vet-of4renwarz]

05:14 PM on 11/30/2009

You are the one that's been misinformed and is the one spreading the misinformation.

First you need to understand how the global network works, then you need to realize that simply typing google.cn doesn't mean you are behind the Chinese firewall... hahahaha

I've been to China many many times, and I've tried searching for Tianmensquare incident.. and guess what, I didn't find the information as I would here... I even tried searching in wikipedia.. nothing mentioning the riot or death toll... this is my personal experience from INSIDE China.. behind the firewall...

So please STOP posting... you are only making yourself look silly...

[Flying Dutchman]

05:49 AM on 12/01/2009

Does the chinese secret service pay you by the post or something?
What is your problem anyway, we all know that the chinese gouvernment is unreliable, untrustworthy, shady and way to arrogant.

[johnfrum]

03:29 PM on 11/29/2009

The problem with the Chinese is exactly the problem with Americans. The majority have an emotional override regarding their country, you know, you call it patriotism. Logic and common sense go out the window in a flash when they percieve so much as a slight to their self image. I spent some time in China and have intimate Chinese friends. The hysterics over that spy plane incident was an eye opener. Explaining that a prop plane could not "crash into a jet fighter" had no effect. They were absolutely convinced, every Chinese I know, that it was a deliberate provocation -a testing of China if you like. These are not uneducated people and live now in the west and are exposed to western views. Many, curiously the younger ones, think that the Tiananmen massacres are just western propaganda. Taiwan is another hot button issue, most express the emotional charged belief that China MUST go to war if Taiwan declares independence even if it means warring with the US. You have met your match in mindless hysterics.
The reason Americans and the Chinese fear each other is that they are so alike in this regard

[Madbunny]

01:34 AM on 11/30/2009

"The reason Americans and the Chinese fear each other is that they are so alike in this regard"

Excellently stated.

[vet-of4renwarz]

05:23 PM on 11/30/2009

Good point... another example would be the Chinese flag waving maniacs here in the States during the 08 Olympics torch relay...

It's a no brainer that the younger generation don't know the full story of Tiananmen Square Incident... remember all textbooks in China are censored (except Hong Kong and Macau) ... just like how Japan took out a chunk of WWII events out of their history textbooks... the only different is that Japanese media is not censored (in someways far from it...) so if a student wants to learn about Japanese history during WWII they can actually find information online...

that's why you see only the media friendly westernized Chinese cities like Hong Kong and Macau hold memorials every year on June 4th...

[Emucrat]

07:34 PM on 11/26/2009

i am not worried about that. Chinese are growing in knowledge and will sooner or later figure out that their media has been censored. I hope this day won't be too bloody. But I also hope that the people will win.

[chedet]

07:43 PM on 11/26/2009

I think they know that their media has been censored. When I was living in Malaysia, they do censored some news and some websites that are anti-government but people are aware that there's censoring going on.

[EndangeredJackalope]

03:17 AM on 11/27/2009

They know their media is censored. They don't care much about censoring of past events though -- they're too fixated on the future.

I asked educated liberal Chinese students, who were friends of mine and who felt comfortable talking about shameful events in China's recent past, about Tiananmen/1988... and none of them expressed any real interest in it. They were vaguely aware of something happening, it just wasn't something they understood, were interested in, or felt a camaraderie with.

This censorship is a threat the world

[vet-of4renwarz]

10:52 AM on 11/27/2009

Hahahaha, stop spreading your misinformation as the truth... China is a big country and I'm pretty sure you didn't talk to every single liberal student there... I have also talked to students in China in different cities, majority of them were too young to remember and only gained the information from school textbooks..well guess what the government censored those too... but the students in Shanghai or cities down South still remember what happened that day and holds memorials every year...

so please stop generalizing the whole population of China based off of one of two college friends of yours... whom i suspect might've been strategically placed by the PRC government... i highly doubt the PRC government would let a foreign student running around China without supervision

[against]

02:59 PM on 11/26/2009

Well, Google just these days censored an offensive photo of the First Lady.

Are they right in doing that, in your opinion? If so, are you a hypocrite?

[dmbraddy]

05:47 PM on 11/26/2009

Um, no. You are engaging in a logical fallacy called false equivalence. Removing an offensive, hurtful caricature of an individual from public display is in no way equivalent to censoring factual information because a nation state finds it inconvenient and is doing so to oppress its people.

[against]

01:10 PM on 11/27/2009

False equivalence or not, it is a matter of opinion. Another example of true/false equivalence, depending your perspective, is Mao to Tibet vs. Lincoln to Confederates. Most things are relative, and don't pretend you have anything to do with absolute moral high ground.

[munki]

12:25 PM on 11/26/2009

Past and Present...

[blueskybigstar]

11:05 AM on 11/26/2009

This is happening here as well. They are erasing all news reports of the Mossad who were caught with explosives on 9/11.

[Spencaa]

12:54 PM on 11/26/2009

cuckoooooooooo any proof? Do you have the pictures, have you ever SEEN them?

[blueskybigstar]

11:53 AM on 11/27/2009

I'm not saying what is what, but I will say that this stuff is being taken down. The article I was talking about has all its links taken down. It is bookmarked on my system navigator. I believe these links are very good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_advance-knowledge_debate
http://www.encyclopedia.com/video/06VX8ijYihU-911-george-washington-bridge.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X2rzYCo-hw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ielNX8WOv6g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRaVQpSrqrU&feature=related
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/ketcham03072007.html
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=9326

[IwantPEACE4All]

05:22 PM on 11/27/2009

of course not. they've been censored. LOL

[mazzetta]

06:19 PM on 11/29/2009

I do not understand, what do you mean by "erasing"?

and then, erasing what?

you say they're erasing articles and then you give link of some articles that are in google searches even dealing with the same subject, i don't understand, unless this is only a trick to push people towards your alleged "truth" (that to me is already undemonstrated) about this that is nothing else than an episode of the endless "fantasy 9/11" built as a smokescreen to shade the evident responsibilities in the attacks and later

[blueskybigstar]

09:53 AM on 11/30/2009

From ABC, Counterpunch, and even youtube. I have one link where every link that it has has been taken down. It was the best link too. I have several accounts on my computer. I probably could go back to my comment history and find it. Take my word. They have also been taking down the witnesses who saw a cruise missile hit the Pentagon from youtube.

[LatteLiberals]

09:26 AM on 11/26/2009

Well I guess we won't be getting any comments from the posters in China. I'm assuming this section and article will be blocked.

[chedet]

07:42 PM on 11/26/2009

Do they even come here? Doesn't really concern them.