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Gary Herbert And Other Global Warming Deniers Crippling Ski Industry's Efforts To Increase Business

BROCK VERGAKIS   11/28/09 07:51 PM ET   AP

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SALT LAKE CITY — Ski resorts across the country are using the Thanksgiving weekend to jump start their winter seasons, but with every passing year comes a frightening realization: If global temperatures continue to rise, fewer and fewer resorts will be able to open for the traditional beginning of ski season.

Warmer temperatures at night are making it more difficult to make snow and the snow that falls naturally is melting earlier in the spring.

In few places is this a bigger concern than the American West, where skiing is one of the most lucrative segments of the tourism industry and often the only reason many people visit cash-strapped states like Utah during winter.

But even as world leaders descend on Copenhagen next month to figure out a way to reduce carbon emissions blamed in global warming, the industry is still grappling with leaders in some of their own ski-crazy states who refuse to concede that humans have any impact on climate change.

Chief among them is Republican Utah Gov. Gary Herbert, who says he will host what he calls the first "legitimate debate" about man's role in climate change in the spring.

While the world's leading scientific organizations agree the debate was settled long ago, the former Realtor who took office when Jon Huntsman resigned to become U.S. ambassador to China maintains that it wasn't.

"He's said to me that the jury is out in his mind whether it's man-caused and he thinks and believes that the public jury is still out," said Herbert's environmental adviser, Democrat Ted Wilson.

Herbert's reluctance to acknowledge that greenhouse gases contribute to global warming quietly frustrates Utah ski resorts that depend on state marketing money, but it openly infuriates industry officials elsewhere who liken it to having a debate about whether the world is flat.

"That's just kind of raging ignorance," said Auden Schendler, executive director of sustainability for Aspen (Colo.) Skiing Co. "We're not environmentalists, we're business people. We have studied the hell out of the climate science. To have a neighboring governor not believe it ... It's absurd."

A climate study by the Aspen Global Change Institute is forecasting that if global emissions continue to rise, Aspen will warm 14 degrees by the end of this century, giving it a similar climate to that of Amarillo, Texas.

Many ski companies and the mountain towns they've created have been working to reduce their carbon footprints and advocating for significant policy changes for years. In California, the ski industry was one of the first groups to support legislation requiring the state to reduce greenhouse gases to 1990 emission levels by 2020.

Aspen Skiing Co. is widely recognized as a national leader, but Schendler readily acknowledges that the nation's ski resorts can do little on their own to affect climate change.

He said company resorts like Aspen and Snowmass are at their best when they educate their highly affluent – and politically connected – guests about global warming's effects.

"You need federal legislation in the U.S.," he said. "You need it to help drive an international agreement."

Herbert and Utah's senior U.S. Senator, Orrin Hatch, recently teamed up to oppose federal cap and trade legislation that many in the ski industry support, saying it could cost jobs in a state that's heavily dependent on coal for energy.

In the posh ski resort town of Park City, a former mining town that played host to the 2002 Winter Olympics, Mayor Dana Williams says some state leaders don't seem to grasp how important the ski industry is to the state and what a threat global warming is.

Tourism is a growing $7 billion a year industry in Utah and the state's 13 ski resorts are directly responsible for roughly $1 billion of that. Williams says the very future of the city that hosts the Sundance Film Festival each winter is at stake with rising temperatures.

A consultant's report released by the nonprofit community Park City Foundation this fall warned that by 2030 the decrease in snowpack caused by global warming could lead to the loss of more than 1,100 jobs and a $120 million economic loss in that community alone. By 2050, the report says those figures could jump to more than 3,700 lost jobs and a $392 million economic loss as fewer and fewer slopes in the area are able to open and lure visitors from around the world.

The CEOs of Park City's three resorts – The Canyons, Deer Valley and Park City Mountain Resort – have teamed up to educate anybody who will listen about how global warming threatens their businesses, with Park City Mountain Resort taking the lead.

That resort's corporate parent, POWDR Corp., owns resorts in and near Las Vegas, Killington, Vt., Lake Tahoe, Calif. and central Oregon.

Brent Giles, POWDR Corp.'s director of environmental affairs, says regardless of what anyone believes about global warming, it makes good business sense for everyone to become more energy efficient and environmentally friendly.

"All you can do is give them what science you've got and show how easy it is to make some of these changes and tell them they're going to save money," Giles said.

"Why can't we just do it because it makes sense?"

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On the Web: Keep Winter Cool http://www.keepwintercool.com

Ski Utah http://www.skiutah.com

Utah Gov. Gary Herbert http://www.utah.gov/governor/

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zombywulf
Pirate Captain Church of Saint Jerry
02:53 AM on 12/01/2009
Good close all the ski resorts and give the deer and elk back their mountains.
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Cailleach9
08:52 PM on 12/01/2009
And where will mountain states get their water? No snow means no snow melt means no recharging of aquifers.
InYourWorld
Progressive, educated, redneck but fan of no party
03:09 PM on 12/02/2009
Most of the water in the mountain states goes to CA and NV to water their gold courses, and put fountains in Vegas.
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Amalek
Highly decorated HP warrior
09:33 PM on 12/01/2009
See many elk around Amarillo? They aren't going to like climate change much more.
11:07 PM on 11/30/2009
Pre-climategate articles don't really count.
10:34 AM on 12/02/2009
Why? Please explain. Obviously you have almost no knowlege of what was actually in the emails, nor any really knowlege of the scientific method.
10:35 AM on 12/02/2009
And FYI this article is from 11/28 which would be 10 days AFTER the emails where hacked.
10:34 PM on 11/30/2009
You're fighting over a window seat on a runaway train...
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Richard2
08:17 PM on 11/30/2009
Many areas of North America have had early snow this year. Most noteably, the Whistler resort in British Columbia is almost buried in snow. In two months the Winter Olympics will be held there, and the biggest problem the organizers may have is too much snow.

This article is completely out of touch with the weather patterns of the 21st Century. In October and November Denver was hit by significant snow storms. There was even some snow in the mountains of northern Mexico. It could be a long, cold winter, which means a long ski season.

Anyway, we now know from the CRU e-mails that the scientific support for man-made global warming from increased CO2 emissions is extremely weak, if not none existent. Does anyone know whether the original raw temperature data for the last 150 years even exists. Some say it was thrown away. Others say they will delete it rather than turn is over to the public. The non-scientific behavior of the climate analysts is shocking to anyone who bothers to read the e-mails and computer file notes.
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lbsaltzman
Permaculture and Sustainability
08:24 PM on 11/30/2009
You are describing weather patterns for a tiny portion of the Earth's surface. The entire United States is something like 4% of the surface of the Earth. The evidence for global warming is not weak it is strong. The e-mails neither strengthen nor weaken the case for global warming. They merely demonstrate how people in a state of denial can see a conspiracy theory where none exists.
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Richard2
10:41 PM on 11/30/2009
Perhaps the Governor of Utah has noticed that the earth hasn't warmed since 1998. This view is shared by Andrew Revkin of the New York Times, and others. Some of the CRU e-mails involve climate analysts complaining that the earth isn't warming now and no one can explain why!

Perhaps the Governor has vacationed in California, and noted that the sea level has actually declined somewhat along the coast since 1998.

What snow conditions will exist decades from now is simply speculation. Ski resorts by their very nature are risky businesses. Too much snow one year, not enough another year. Perhaps they can all be converted to off road bicycle trails when the snow isn't around.

Since a majority of Americans don't think that global warming, if it exists at all, is caused primarily by man, the Governor of Utah would appear to be better tuned to the views of the public then most elected officials, whether Democrats or Republicans.
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ariveria
08:46 PM on 11/30/2009
never had one big snow storm early. it hasnt snowed since. in denver there is no snow on the ground.

the ski resorts barelly open for thanksgiving with man made snow. they have been getting more snow then denver but still not a lot.

not as familiar with your other sites but willing to bet just as inaccurate.

“When the Holy One Blessed be He created Adam, He took him and caused him to pass before all the trees of the Garden of Eden. He said to him, ‘See how beautiful and praiseworthy are my works; and all that I have created, I have created for your sake. Take heed that you do not damage and destroy my world.’” (Koheleth Rabbah 7:28)
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Azsin
i need a wife
09:38 PM on 11/30/2009
its been above normal in PHx
07:37 AM on 12/02/2009
Where in the world do you live in Denver? So far we've had three major storms and it is snowing today. In Highlands Ranch we had about 6 inches of snow followed by 24 inches followed by 10 inches. I know this because our snowblower was on the fritz and I had to shovel it by hand.

Loveland had one of its earliest opennings this year.

CO2 in the atmosphere is good for living things. In the last 50 years the biomass on the planet has increased by about 7% (read that more food).
06:15 PM on 11/30/2009
So, we need to cripple our economy so that we can have skiing at Thanksgiving? Warming has many benefits (increased biodiversity, longer growing season, etc.), but we have to spend billions to stop it so people can ski?
06:22 PM on 11/30/2009
You going to tell us the benefits of nuclear war next?

In case you hadn't noticed skiing is a part of our economy.

A very large part in certain regions of the United States.
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06:42 PM on 11/30/2009
It's not completely ridiculous to investigate possible BENEFITS to global warming. It's just that it's similar to the plans cooked up in the 50s to create artificial seas using nuclear weapons.

Longer growing seasons might be nice, but does that outweigh the cost of immersing New York, Shanghai, London, Mumbai, etc?
01:08 AM on 12/01/2009
No, I'll let Krugman push that as the cure for the current economic crisis, as WW II was, in his opinion, the cure for the Great Depression.

I guess skiing is a preferred industry; and energy costs should be driven up, and developing nations encouraged to starve in order to maintain it.
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Azsin
i need a wife
09:42 PM on 11/30/2009
how would it mess with the economy?

green energy and green bulidig would SAVE money on electricity.
save on up keep

its just naturlaly better

so what if a few industies have to pay more
they woudl recoup all "cost" in energy savings
12:44 AM on 12/01/2009
You don't have to subsidize activities that help the economy. Do it without subsidies and I have no problem with it.
06:12 PM on 11/30/2009
While we dither and play politics mother nature moves inexorably forward at a pace humans can barely discern. The coming generations will curse us and our parents for ignoring the factual evidence and not mitigating our effects on the planet. Climate deniers must surely hate their grandchildren because it is going to be their calamity that we are creating.
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lbsaltzman
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08:25 PM on 11/30/2009
Well put! I wonder if they will feel ashamed enough to apologize to the future generations for the stubborness in the face of so much evidence
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05:28 PM on 11/30/2009
The skiing industry's understood for years the reality so many politicians deny. Maybe it would sink in if put another way. The slopes will be the first to go bankrupt. Then it'll be all those businesses providing amenities to the skiiers. Then the states will dry up. Lakes and streams and rivers aren't magically filled. In the west especially, population centers are dependent on snowfall and snowpack to provide water for the increasing numbers invading it's boundaries. Deniers like Herbert will lead constituents into an abyss of dry, arid land not fit for human existence. The jury's not out, at least not on global warming. I have doubts about an electorate continuing to follow those burying their head in the sand....sand that's getting deeper all the time.
05:21 PM on 11/30/2009
The article fails to mention that the ski industry is one of the absolute WORST when it comes to the environment.

Every year there is an "arms race" to see which resort can open first. There are large financial rewards to the ones that do so.

The result is, instead of waiting for Mother Nature to provide abundant snow (typically, by Christmas) the resort MAKE snow.

This requires pumping millions of gallons of water uphill, and compressing tons of air, two of the most energy intensive operations known to man. The resulting carbon footprint is ENORMOUS.

The end result to skier is much higher ticket prices AS WELL as an environment with added C02 from all the energy used.

The States of Colorado, Utah, and the others should impose a moratorium on snowmaking until a MAJORITY of the resorts report adequate snow provided by Mom.

Everyone would be a winner, it would merely shift the season from Thanksgiving-March to December-April, when there is STILL plenty of snow "left over" most years, it's just by then, most skiers have had enough.

SHAME on the SKI INDUSTRY!
06:23 PM on 11/30/2009
skiing used to be something you did when it snowed.

Now it is something you do despite the fact there is no snow.
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06:40 PM on 11/30/2009
While I very much agree that the ski industry has not generally been concerned about its carbon footprint, we don't need to be completely ridiculous with statements like:

"This requires pumping millions of gallons of water uphill, and compressing tons of air, two of the most energy intensive operations known to man."

I'm pretty sure other things, like making antimatter in a particle accelerator or launching objects onto interplanetary trajectories, dwarf the two tasks you name here. These two operations can actually be done quite efficiently (i.e., relatively little energy wasted in heating the machinery); it's the sheer scale that is so problematic.
04:44 PM on 11/30/2009
The only way to tell for certain whether we are going through a drought or global warming will be in retrospect. By examining the data in the future.

But from where I am sitting at the moment it certainly looks like climate change is for real. And potentially devastating.

The San Juan Mountains of Colorado used to get the most snow in the state. We used to open the local ski area by Thanksgiving. Sometimes by Halloween.

Now it is only with man made snow for the foreseeable future. And even then it is too warm to make much.

Through the 70-80's it was common to get tons of snow with an occasional drought year. Now we have drought with occasional snow.

Like I said, the only way to know if the change is permanent is in retrospect.

But it certainly looks bad. Very bad.
InYourWorld
Progressive, educated, redneck but fan of no party
06:57 PM on 11/30/2009
True true. I remember skiing was usually good at Wolf Creek by Halloween.

Interestingly October 2009, was one of the coldest on record......
08:49 PM on 11/30/2009
Not in SW Colorado.

They couldn't even make snow at Purgatory.
04:27 PM on 12/01/2009
And yet notice all the snow that isn't on Mt Evans right now...
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Sandiaman
04:27 PM on 11/30/2009
Hurricane season is almost over? What happened to the massive hurricane scenarios predicted by global warmers? Mildest hurricane season in almost two decades. Just askin.
05:14 PM on 11/30/2009
It wasn't too bad, thank goodness.
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Shan Wells
Sciencey sun venerator + political cartoonist
05:46 PM on 11/30/2009
Predictions like that always come with the appropriate caveats that we may see periods of warming, cooling, and relative calm, as you would expect in a more chaotic environment.
12:19 AM on 12/01/2009
Why parrot all the climate change nonsense?

http://www.green-agenda.com/index.html
03:57 PM on 11/30/2009
I'm in the mountains of New Mexico. Not only is there no snow, I don't even need to wear a jacket.
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GerryS
There they are--
04:28 PM on 11/30/2009
warm here too-
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03:47 PM on 11/30/2009
''A climate study by the Aspen Global Change Institute is forecasting that if global emissions continue to rise, Aspen will warm 14 degrees by the end of this century, giving it a similar climate to that of Amarillo, Texas.'' fourteen degrees? when the worst global prediction is .5 C?

roflmao..
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Shan Wells
Sciencey sun venerator + political cartoonist
05:57 PM on 11/30/2009
No, the average prediction for global temperatures runs anywhere from 7.2- 9 degrees, not .5. That is a GLOBAL average- some areas may see higher, and apparently Aspen is predicted to get much hotter.
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LeftLeanWing
RightKickFoot
03:17 PM on 12/02/2009
The temperature heat differentials are not uniform....

Warmer or Colder in some areas

Wetter or Dryer in some areas

To bad complex issues can not be simplified enough for comprehension by WingNutNutters. Everything to you has to exist in closed non-complex systems - like oven, refrigerator , shoebox.
edva
Capitalism vs Humanity
03:46 PM on 11/30/2009
I'm in Colorado. Warmest, driest Thanksgiving I've seen in 25 years.
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Ametista
Biologist and unrepentant leftist
11:21 PM on 12/01/2009
Me too. Tank tops on turkey day. Maybe bikinis @ Xmas! But that is actually fairly common as you know.
07:42 AM on 12/02/2009
Suggest you go out today in your tank top and see how quickly you freeze to death.

I've lived in Denver for 30 years and we've never had as much snow before Thanksgiving as we've had this year.

Thanksgiving was unseasonably warm. However, there is still a lot of snow in my yard.
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03:13 PM on 11/30/2009
Don;t worry, we will face another Ice Age in about a quarter century, just as predicted in 1970. Just Mother Nature "Punking" Humans.
03:47 PM on 11/30/2009
Ignoring it will not make it go away. So the science done by these industry big wigs who are fighting for their industry's life means nothing to you? It's getting hotter. There are too many pieces of data confirming this to be ignored. You can argue your own pet points but you have no proof just like all the other climate change denial crackpots.
05:01 PM on 11/30/2009
And last year was one of the coldest on record. Your "science" proves nothing as we've seen from the frauds who have manipulated and then "lost" the data have shown us.
07:44 AM on 12/02/2009
Jimbo,

It isn't getting warmer. 1998 was the warmest on record and no increases since then. s
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06:35 PM on 11/30/2009
Picking and choosing which conclusion to trust the way you are is not going to make one of them true and the other false. The only method you or anyone has to determine the validity of the claims of global warming vs. global cooling is to investigate the scientific consensus produced by peer review.

The global cooling theory that you're point to from the 70's never managed to gain this consensus, even back then. Global warming, on the other hand, has achieved such a consensus due to the mountains of dispassionate data and very intelligent people that support it.
07:47 AM on 12/02/2009
Ah the dispassionate data argument. CRU scandal put a big hole in that argument.

Here's the other hole. Money spent by the fossil fuel companies on climate studies not supporting AGW--$20 million
Money spent by government on climate studies supporting AGW--$50 billion.
03:03 PM on 11/30/2009
Come on all you skiers. Colorado is open for business and we have great snow (the last two years set records for snowfall).
04:46 PM on 11/30/2009
You aren't in the biggest mountain range of the state: The San Juans.
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Shan Wells
Sciencey sun venerator + political cartoonist
06:00 PM on 11/30/2009
True, too damn close to dry as a bone.
InYourWorld
Progressive, educated, redneck but fan of no party
06:58 PM on 11/30/2009
Dont tell anyone about it. There's still good skiing to be had, just have to look harder!
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06:43 PM on 11/30/2009
Open for business? Breckenridge has only ten (very icy) runs open right now, due to lack of snow.
08:51 PM on 11/30/2009
On the other hand, Aspen looked pretty good with the ski races over the weekend.

Looked a lot like winter there.