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Ben Nelson Threatens To Oppose Health Reform Without Restrictive Abortion Provisions

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First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 03:50 PM ET

Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) said Tuesday that he won't vote for health care reform unless the bill contains the same sort of restrictive abortion provisions as the House legislation, adding yet another hoop Democratic leaders will need to jump through as they scramble for 60 votes.

The Senate health care bill does not provide federal money for abortion, maintaining the status quo. But like Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) and a sizable bloc of conservative House Democrats, Nelson says that's not good enough. Nelson said he plans to introduce an amendment to the Senate bill roughly resembling Stupak's.

Would he vote for a final bill if he can't get that language included? "No," he told reporters.

The conservative Nebraska Democrat has long been one of a handful of Senate holdouts on the issue of a government-run public health insurance option. This adds a new wrinkle.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and the White House are using every tool at their disposal to corral 60 votes. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, until January a Democratic senator from Colorado, ordinarily wouldn't have anything to do with health care. But Reid said at an afternoon press conference that Salazar was brought in to talk to former colleagues on the strength of his people skills. The Interior Secretary also has acres of favors he can dole out to encourage cooperation.

One of Salazar's afternoon meetings was with Olympia Snowe, the Maine Republican who Democrats continue to look to as the likeliest GOP vote. Snowe has also talked to Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.), who is seeking a compromise on the public option. Carper told HuffPost he's asked to see some of the legislative language from Snowe's conditional "trigger" option, but she has yet to provide it.

Snowe and other swing senators said Tuesday that they were pleased by the new Congressional Budget Office report on the Senate bill, but that the new savings estimates haven't convinced them to support the bill as it stands -- largely because of the public option.

"The public option is an unnatural and dangerous appendage to health care reform," Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) told reporters following an afternoon vote. The CBO report "doesn't change my position," Lieberman said, though he acknowledged that he found the new cost estimates "generally encouraging."

Snowe and Lieberman gave contradictory reasons for opposing the public option. Snowe argued that the bargaining power of the government could crowd out private insurers; Lieberman seized on a CBO analysis that the weak public option included in the Senate bill -- denatured to win moderate support -- would likely be costlier than comparable private plans.

Sen. Susan Collins, Snowe's fellow R-Maine, has long opposed any version of a public plan, including the "trigger" option advanced by Snowe. Collins told reporters that isn't the only sticking point for her, though. "I made very clear that I could not support the bill as it's currently drafted, and that there would have to be substantial changes, but I certainly hope that that will be possible," Collins said Tuesday afternoon.

Like Collins, Snowe said she has a list of issues to address, most of them regarding affordability. She wants more generous small-business tax credits, fewer taxes in general, and preemption of state policies, among other things.

For her part, Snowe said, "I guess I wouldn't draw any lines in the sand at this point." She said she hadn't met with Reid since Congress returned from its Thanksgiving recess, but would be talking with Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, as well as Salazar, throughout the week.

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Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) said Tuesday that he won't vote for health care reform unless the bill contains the same sort of restrictive abortion provisions as the House legislation, adding yet another h...
Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) said Tuesday that he won't vote for health care reform unless the bill contains the same sort of restrictive abortion provisions as the House legislation, adding yet another h...
 
 
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02:55 AM on 12/06/2009
We don't need these b.ozo's votes from the r.edn.eck h.ick unrepresentative states to pass health care reform.

In spite of what you hear in the news it does not take 60 votes in the Senate to pass a bill. It is not in the Constitution nor are there any laws that require 60 votes. The 60 vote barrier is an obscure Senate rule called the filibuster which requires 60 votes to end debate and get to a vote. This is a rule that can be changed.
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02:52 AM on 12/06/2009
In 2005 when Democrats used the filibuster Republicans threatened to end the practice in a move called the “nuclear option” which is a procedure for changing the filibuster rule. The mere threat of ending the filibuster caused the Democrats to back down from using it. Now the Democrats have a far larger majority in the Senate than the Republicans did and the Republicans are filibustering almost every bill. Their strategy seems to be to get America to fail and then run in 2010 on the idea that Democrats are as bad as they are. But the Democrats can put an end to the Filibuster and bring back majority rule as the Constitution intended.

So we don’t really need 60 votes to pass health care reform. We only need 50. It’s time the Democrats get tough and use the power that the People elected them to use. We need reform and this rule is in the way. The time has come for Democrats to step up and quit acting like they are in the minority and use the nuclear option and put the filibuster down. I think it would be a mistake for Democrats to allow the Republicans to steal back power in the 2010 election because of a record of failure.
09:04 PM on 12/02/2009
Hahahaha,. this thing is never going to pass, and once the Dems lose their House majority in 2010 and the Dems lose their filibuster proof majority in the Senate, we can thankfully kiss Obamacare goodbye forever.
02:27 PM on 12/02/2009
Earth to Ben Nelson:

RECONCILIATION.
01:34 PM on 12/02/2009
The health care bill should preserve the status quo: No Federal funds for abortions but no additional barriers to women to get abortions with their own money. As I understand the Stupac amendment, it would essentially make legal abortions unattainable and that is unacceptable. I understand that the current health care bill would maintain the status quo, neither giving more access to abortions or less, and certainly not funding them with taxpayer dollars.

These fundamentalists who are trying to use the urgency for health care reform as a way to strong arm in their personal religious agendas need to be voted out. This is about ALL Americans, not only the ones who agree with your religious views.
12:33 PM on 12/02/2009
Nelson does not need to vote for the final Senate bill going to conference. All he has to do is vote yes on the procedural 'Closure" to stop a filibuster. If he goes over to the republicans with Lieberman and tries to stop the bill from passing to conference, then Reid should go to the Nuclear option, "Reconciliation" and leave him and Lieberman and for that matter, Lincoln, Landrieu and Bayh twisting in the wind and whoever has gavels (Lieberman) and/or senior committee or subcommittee positions , naked as newly elected senators for the rest of their hopefully abbreviated political lives.
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christopherflynn
The wreligious wright is always rong...
04:23 PM on 12/02/2009
I can agree with that whole-heartedly!!!!
12:10 PM on 12/02/2009
Now that the President has put his Afghan program in place, and the american people can see it, the health care debate will be reenergized and those politicians wanting to keep their jobs will now be gauging the support back home for not only the health care legislation but the troop increase.
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homeromj
11:37 AM on 12/02/2009
Send him down to the capitol basement to sort recyclables from the trash with his buddy Lieberman. He doesn't deserve committee chair status if he can't find it in himself to grow a spine.
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TXfemmom
Grandma with eye on the future
11:30 AM on 12/02/2009
I was an RN and Nurse Anesthetist before abortion became legal and available and saw the damage it did. Poor women would come in with horrible injuries from having illegal abortions and even die. Then, we would be called out at 2 in the morning for "uncontrollable vaginal bleeding" for members of rich and influential families and there wouldn't be any trace of blood in the area. We all knew they were abortions. I detested that we had two standards.

When I started as an RN in the operating room, before going to Anesthesia School, it infuriated me to discover that married women had to have the written permission of their husbands before they could have sterilizations. That was in 1973. DOES THAT REMIND YOU OF SAUDI ARABIA? Several of the younger RN's raised serious questions about the policies on that since married men did not have to have the permission of their wives for vasectomies.

Ben Nelson does not or should not have the right to make health care choices for women. NO ONE SHOULD. Are we as a nation, going to permit a small percentage of the people of this country to PUT WOMEN BACK INTO THE DARK AGES ON THIER DECISIONS, AGAIN? This is supposed to be a free country with equal protections, but this primarily effects WOMEN, and we see all these white, aged men TRYING TO FORCE US INTO A SITUATION WHERE WOMEN ARE TREATED AS THEY ARE IN SAUDI ARABIA AND UNDER THE TALIBAN.
11:28 AM on 12/02/2009
This is the same Ben Nelson who refuses to support the bill unless they preserve the anti-trust exemption for health insurance companies, and explains his stance by saying antitrust laws "only hurt the little guy", which makes absolutely no sense, unless you realize that he's BSing us because he's not working for us.
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GirlFriday123
We all live downstream.
11:33 AM on 12/02/2009
Fanned!

He's just looking for a reason to vote it down.
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Uncle Bill
ex-lawyer and teacher
01:26 PM on 12/04/2009
From Ben Nelson's official bio:
Ben Nelson ... earned a bachelor’s degree in 1963, a master’s degree in 1965 and a law degree from the University of Nebraska in 1970. Following his time as a student, Nelson enjoyed a successful career in insurance law. He served as CEO of the Central National Insurance Group, as chief of staff and executive vice president of the National Association of Insurance Commissioners, and as director of the Nebraska Department of Insurance.

Insurance created Ben Nelson, he was a republican who jumped the fence and squeaked by a lifelong Democrat in the primary with considerable help from friends in the insurance industry. His first allegiance is to insurance interests, his party loyalty borders on non-existence and he's been quite willing for Nebraska interests to suffer for it. Offut AFB has been denied two new commands in Air Force reorganization program, despite higher scores in Air Force studies than the bases awarded the new or reorganized commands, which can best be explained by political influence.
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Clarabell
If we only had a "free" press!
11:27 AM on 12/02/2009
They also need to add some pro-life measures next to the pro-birth ones, specifically naming all of the health care and other benefits that the expectant mother is to receive, together with that of the child once is is born -- especially if born into poverty.
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GirlFriday123
We all live downstream.
11:25 AM on 12/02/2009
What if it's a case of rape or incest or where the woman's life is in danger?

Will she still have to pay?
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prettyinpink
Liberalism-Ideas so good-they're MANDATORY
11:13 AM on 12/02/2009
Real cost of HC reform-6 Trillion.

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/11/27/obamacares-cost-could-top-6-trillion/
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lwaldmann
10:54 AM on 12/02/2009
I love these hypocrits, death penalty bring it on, send children to afghanistan no problem, abortion, you must be kidding, that's killing. Give me a break, and whats that stream of money doing falling out of your pockets.

Lary Waldman
12:12 PM on 12/02/2009
Think of the death penalty as late term abortion. It is a bit easier for the weak to accept. And making it even more palatable is that, unlike an innocent unborn child, these animals get due process of law.
10:26 AM on 12/02/2009
I am sick of hearing about what Nelson wants or does not want. He is simply a Republican with a (D) by his name. The people of Nebraska are being shafted by this poseur.
10:55 AM on 12/02/2009
Anyone who tries to turn a health care debate into an abortion demand should be looking for work at the next election. If not, I guess we deserve them.
11:32 AM on 12/02/2009
Right on. Medicare passed with 55 votes. Lets snowplow this obstacle.