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Brzezinski Calls Anti-Corruption Crusade In Afghanistan Hypocritical

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 03:50 PM ET

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One of the most respected foreign policy voices in Democratic circles expressed "serious reservations" with components of a U.S. troop escalation in Afghanistan during an interview on Tuesday.

Former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski, who was an early skeptic about increasing troops in Afghanistan, said he was not necessarily opposed to Obama's decision to send an additional 30,000 troops there. But he stressed that the mission had to be defined properly.

For starters, he argued that if America's military efforts lack a sufficient multilateral component, "it will in fact help to feed the insurgency." Brzezinski also cautioned that it would be hypocritical and counterproductive for America to stress that Afghan President Hamid Karzai's government be purged of corruption.

"Who are we to seriously be preaching [such] a crusade?" he asked. "We have a financial sector that is voraciously greedy and exploitative, to put it mildly. We have a Congress which is not immune to special interests. And we have an electoral system that is based largely on private donations which precipitate expectations of rewards. The notion of us going to the Afghans and preaching purity is comical... I think we should just quit that stuff."

Brzezinski also expressed reservations about a counter-insurgency strategy that is too reliant on bolstering national institutions, noting that there is "a very complex" mix of different ethnic and tribal groups that have historically opposed foreign or even central authorities.

"I think building up local forces, relying on the loyalties that prevail on the local level... makes much more sense given the fact that Afghanistan is a multi-ethnic society, which most Americans don't realize," he said. "To talk of an Afghan national army is to talk of something that is ultimately not possible."

Brzezinksi is not alone in his concern about viewing solutions to Afghanistan's problems through a strictly "top-down" lens.

"You want to have a legitimate government," said Larry Korb, a senior fellow and military expert at the progressive Center for American Progress. "But I'm not sure about the utility of building government institutions or anything like that... I do think you need some national army. But you do need a bottoms-up approach to compliment that."

The White House seems cognizant of these concerns, though its approach remains unclear.
"As [the president] said in the speech, we'll deal with key ministries at the national level," a senior Obama adviser told the Huffington Post. "In addition, we will work at the sub-national level, too, and in both instances work with only those institutions that are transparent."

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RRoadrunner
Living in a 'Pro-ignorant culture'
11:44 AM on 12/03/2009
Amen. Some speaking the truth!
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dsws
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10:56 AM on 12/03/2009
If Brzezinski doesn't like it, that's a good sign.
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Guitar63
02:29 PM on 12/03/2009
How?
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harrymudd
10:36 AM on 12/03/2009
It makes sense only if Obama was as corrupt as Brezinski. The good news is that Obama is not corrupt. So it is not hypocritical. The only way to "win" in Afghanistan is to at least reduce corruption. Anger at corruption was the fuel that fed the Taliban. Obama is 100% right.
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Guitar63
02:33 PM on 12/03/2009
But America as a whole is corrupt - and so is the U.S. installed government. What the heck are we doing there? I mean, how do we expect the citizens there to support us when we are either directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of loved ones of almost every person in Afghanistan. More to the point, how the heck do we expect them to support a government which is backed by us? If I wouldn't like the friend of my brothers killer, how can I expect some of these Afghan citizens to like Karzai and co? Doesn't add up.
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harrymudd
02:58 PM on 12/03/2009
There are degrees of corruption and there are degrees of intolerance. Is America corrupt? Yes but not as bad a many other places. Still I am all for major action to be taken. Most of America's corruption comes from big business; its influence and the whole lobby situation. Is Karzai corrupt? Yes; pretty bad. That is why we need to do something about it.

Taliban on the other hand are much worse and more dangerous. Look, anyone with any sense knows that there are a lot of problems out there. Taliban are one. If we waited for all problems to be solved before we address any, then no progress would be made. We cannot just say: it is a mess so lets give up.

I am from that area. People there know about corruption. They don't expect perfection. We just have to be better than the Taliban; bring some justice and some prosperity. If we do that support for Taliban will vanish. Unfortunately Karzai is to corrupt to manage.

Here is one approach: Ditch Karzai, and have the tribal elders pick a new leader. If the leader turns out like Karzai set a process where the tribal leaders ditch him and get someone else. Put a single 5 year term limit. Have a collective presidency with rotation. There are many approaches. We don't need to just throw them to the Taliban. The problem is trying to run Afghanistan with absolutely no understanding of their culture or people.
02:59 PM on 12/03/2009
To be 100% right in such matters is 100% unbelieveable.
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harrymudd
09:29 AM on 12/04/2009
You got me. Alright make it 98%.
09:40 AM on 12/03/2009
"Who are we to seriously be preaching [such] a crusade?" he asked. "We have a financial sector that is voraciously greedy and exploitative, to put it mildly. We have a Congress which is not immune to special interests. And we have an electoral system that is based largely on private donations which precipitate expectations of rewards. The notion of us going to the Afghans and preaching purity is comical..."

You can say that again. Classic case of preaching to others when your own hands are dirty.
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Whinger
I'm Just Me!
04:09 AM on 12/03/2009
Not to mention mission impossible!
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beyondthepale9779
01:38 AM on 12/03/2009
The crypt keeper rides again.
12:17 AM on 12/03/2009
The man is talking sense. The insurgency is Pashtun; the Afghan army Tajik led. The majority ethnic group .... also Pashtun who will never accept the army. See

http://ofthisandthat.org/LettertoPresident.html
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harrymudd
10:38 AM on 12/03/2009
The Pashtun have been abusing the Tajik and the Hazara for a long time. Maybe the fix is to have a defacto split. Have the Tajiks and Hazaras run their own affairs and let the Pashtuns run theirs.
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MyTake
Release the Hydrogen Economy now!
12:14 AM on 12/03/2009
"One of the most respected foreign policy voices in Democratic circles"

With video's like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20RGookyRrM&feature=related , someone might want to revise the aforementioned statement.
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alysheba 3
12:08 AM on 12/03/2009
Since when has hypocrisy EVER stopped the US from offering an opinion on anything?
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Jahbundance
Fanatically Independent
12:11 AM on 12/03/2009
the genesis of "the ugly American"
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Etherus
11:31 PM on 12/02/2009
What he is saying is that the American political system is as corrupt as the Afghan one modeled on it.
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Jahbundance
Fanatically Independent
12:09 AM on 12/03/2009
Exactly! I love this man for speaking the plain truth. (Too bad his daughter didn't get his intellect.)
12:41 AM on 12/03/2009
Mika is the polar opposite of her Dad, I don't understand how she sidestepped such an informed individual. Unfortunately, Mika is the one with the daily platform, devoid of fact.
11:27 PM on 12/02/2009
When I think of Brzenzki I think of his disaster as Secretary of State in the late 70s. He has not seen an opportunity for surrender that he has not taken advantage of. Recommending capitulation to Islamic terrorists, dictators, and leftists is his part time hobby. It is one of the reasons he is so disrespected.
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harrymudd
10:41 AM on 12/03/2009
You are 100% right. In fact Brezinski actively works to create opportunities to surrender. He will pluck defeat from the jaws of victory! His favorite bunch are the Islamic radicals. The more radical the more he loves them.

PS,
Not all "leftists" are like Brezinski. I have been known to have leftist tendencies but only as far as having health care and other social benefits for our people.
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sixchair
Always left, usually right
11:21 PM on 12/02/2009
From one banana republic to another...

Brzezinski made another interesting point - that P-stan considers the taliban to be an ally should P-stan go to war with India. Michael Ware and Richard Engel have also noted this.

So much for that partner.
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harrymudd
08:36 AM on 12/04/2009
1) We are not a banana republic. The fact that Bush was replaced by Obama is the proof.
2) Pakistan is not our ally. We need to deal with it. With open eyes and no delusions. Neither are they our enemies. We deal with them as required. World is not black and white.

PS,
If it were not for Brezinski's treason and Jimmy Carters's stupidity we would have Iran as an ally. With half a million troops she would have taken Afghanistan off our hands. There is still hope.
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ImaVeteran
10:18 PM on 12/02/2009
You must referring to how the US supreme Court in 2000 wrapped the Presidency up and gave it to the
worst leader our country ever had or will have.

The 2004 election was also stolen.

I know you know this, but I wanted to remind myself again.
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vandegrasse
Don't Panic
09:43 PM on 12/02/2009
I was thinking the same thing! We have a lot of nerve, this most corrupt country in the world!
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harrymudd
08:39 AM on 12/04/2009
Oh come on! We have our problems but there are far more corrupt nations than us. We though that the Shah was the worst in Iran. We had corruption so we ditched him. See where it got Iran. Do not be so cynical. America has a lot of good even now with all her problems.
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vandegrasse
Don't Panic
10:06 PM on 12/04/2009
Dear Harry,
I speaking specifically of that massive amount of money the government gave to elite in the biggest swindle in history. That one deed did it for me, convinced me of this country's corruption.This is corruption on a professional and industrial scale.
RTIII
Poster of over 0.0135% of all HufPost comments
08:20 PM on 12/04/2009
Most corrupt? Hardly. In terms of both the total dollars involved in and the pervasiveness of corruptionit's very likely that we are at least number two in both categories behind at least China.
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dim
one in a can
09:40 PM on 12/02/2009
This is the guy, because of whom we supported the islamic insurgency against the Soviets.
10:35 PM on 12/02/2009
Most of that happened during Reagan's time. The Soviet invasion to Afghanistan happened in 1979.
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dim
one in a can
11:39 PM on 12/02/2009
True, but it started under Carter, look up Afgh. on wikipedia and search for Carter.
11:41 PM on 12/02/2009
His mane fits him pretty good! Dim
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sixchair
Always left, usually right
11:23 PM on 12/02/2009
Brzezinski was advisor to Carter. CIA engagement in A-stan began under Raygun.

Typical tr0ll, uninformed and proudly so.
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11:40 PM on 12/02/2009
Actually, it is you who is uninformed. We began operations there 6 months before the Soviets invaded.
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Chipher
01:56 AM on 12/03/2009
,,,wrong! Carter provided initial funding to the CIA six months before the Soviet occupation, in fact, it was in response to the _a.ssassination of the US ambassador that Brez blamed on the Soviets, he advised Carter to start the First Afghan War by pre-emptively funding it...

http://www.amazon.com/Sword-Shield-Mitrokhin-Archive-History/dp/0465003125