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Bernanke Channels Willie Sutton In Assault On Social Security: 'That's Where The Money Is'

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 03:50 PM ET

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Ben Bernanke has overseen the greatest expansion of the Federal Reserve's balance sheet in its history, pouring trillions of dollars into Wall Street firms at roughly zero interest rates.

His generosity, however, has a limit.

In testimony before the Senate Banking Committee today, where he's seeking re-appointment as the Fed's chairman, Bernanke called for cutbacks in Medicare and Social Security even as unemployment rises and the middle class is endangered.

Citing legendary bank robber Willie Sutton, Bernanke said of the retirement and health care funds that are the legacy of the New Deal: "That's where the money is."

Sen. Bob Bennett (R-Utah) sympathized with Bernanke, saying that, because of entitlement spending, "you're going to be looking at a situation where the Congress will be unable to provide any kind of fiscal discipline because of the mandatory spending. That puts an enormous burden on your plate."

"Well, Senator, I was about to address entitlements," Bernanke replied. "I think you can't tackle the problem in the medium term without doing something about getting entitlements under control and reducing the costs, particularly of health care."

Bernanke reminded Congress that it has the power to repeal Social Security and Medicare.

"It's only mandatory until Congress says it's not mandatory. And we have no option but to address those costs at some point or else we will have an unsustainable situation," said Bernanke.

But there are several other obvious options that could make the situation sustainable -- including a transaction tax on Wall Street speculation or a slight tax hike on the wealthiest Americans.

Bernanke talks as if increasing taxes on the wealthy simply isn't an option.

Sen. Jack Reed (D-R.I.) followed Bennett and pointed out that "there's only really two ways you can deflect this deficit, and that's either by cutting expenditures or raising income taxes or other forms of taxes."

Reed asked him if he could think of other ways, but Bernanke returned to entitlement money as the way to balance the budget.

"Willie Sutton robbed banks because that's where the money is, as he put it," Bernanke said. "The money in this case is in entitlements."

There's also money at the very top of the income ladder. Reed asked if Congress would be wise to tax some of it. Full of suggestions when it came to cutting entitlements, Bernanke was suddenly overtaken by a bout of policy modesty.

"Would you take taxes off the table?" Reed asked.

"Those decisions are up to Congress," Bernanke said.

"Well, your predecessor signaled very strongly that the tax cuts in 2000 were appropriate," Reed reminded him.

"I have not done that. I've done my best to leave that authority where it belongs, with the Congress," Bernanke said, just moments after telling Congress to cut entitlement spending.

Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent from Vermont who has placed a hold on Bernanke's nomination, was apoplectic when HuffPost told him Bernanke was pushing for cuts in entitlement spending. "Bernanke wants to cut entitlement spending? Well, that confirms everything I'm saying," Sanders fumed.

"The CEOs and top people on Wall Street make huge bonuses, and what? We're going to cut back on Social Security and Medicare? That's what we're going to do?"

Bernanke worked to assure the committee he had nothing against old people. "I'm not in any way advocating unfair treatment of the elderly, who have worked all their lives and certainly deserve our support and help, but if there are ways to restructure or strengthen these programs that reduce costs, I think that's extraordinarily important for us to try to achieve," he said.

Bernanke allies in the Senate are working to see he gets his way. Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) has been pushing hard for the creation of an independent commission that could cut entitlement spending. He has met recently, he said Thursday, with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, reiterating his threat to block Senate legislation if the commission isn't created.

"We're on a course that's just unsustainable," Conrad said, but put emphasis on Medicare rather than Social Security.

While the debate about entitlement spending is often masked with high-minded talk about fiscally-responsible policy solutions, it is little more than a struggle between competing classes for scarce resources.

Sanders said he sees it for what it is. "That's the solution? To cut back on the middle class and the elderly? That only adds fuel to the fire," he said. "Look, let's be clear. The middle class in America today is collapsing. Within the confines of the Beltway, we don't talk about that too much. But that is the reality. It's not just unemployment or underemployment. People are working longer hours for lower wages. People are unable to send their kids to college. People are losing their homes. People's jobs are going to China. That is the reality."

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Ben Bernanke has overseen the greatest expansion of the Federal Reserve's balance sheet in its history, pouring trillions of dollars into Wall Street firms at roughly zero interest rates. His gene...
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Trittydi
Special on pap smears at Walgreen's this week ....
03:37 PM on 01/04/2010
Bernanke is insane.

This is, as noted by Mr.Grim - a battle for resources.

Endless entitlements and benefits for the rich and powerful.

Screw the middle classes.
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10:58 PM on 12/07/2009
Your country is doomed. No problem can be solved by the thinking that created it and that is exactly what Bernanke represents.
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Trittydi
Special on pap smears at Walgreen's this week ....
03:39 PM on 01/04/2010
You don't live here? Lucky you.

We've told our kids to find a way to leave - we told them -don't look back -just get out.
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10:34 AM on 12/07/2009
I understand that in a deep recession such as the one we we (and still are) in it is appropriate to increase govt spending to get the economy going again, but the problem is so little of that money has actually helped average people who are struggling - who who have been fired or or working for reduced pay or reduced hours. \

good articles: http://financeopinionss.blogspot.com
We're still in recession as far as I;m concerned. Screw GDP. Until there's jobs and health care it;s a recession.
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Trittydi
Special on pap smears at Walgreen's this week ....
03:41 PM on 01/04/2010
It's completely a recession.

And until every American has financial security of some sort - the work is not done.
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07:02 PM on 12/06/2009
BERNAKE WANTS TO CUT MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY. A WELLS ANALYST SAID ON NPR THAT HE WANTS SUB-MINIMUM WAGE. THEY ARE NOT DONE GUTTING THE MIDDLE CLASS. WE WERE TOO CLOSE TO OWNING THE CONTROLLING SHARES OF MOST US CORPORATIONS WHERE WE COULD DEMAND THEY RUN IN A WAY THAT PRESERVES LONG TERM HEALTH, JOBS AND PROFITABILITY. WITHOUT THEIR MERGERS, HEDGES, AND RISKY OPTIONS THE UBER RICH CANT STAY THERE. FIRE BERNAKE AND GEITHER AND SUMMERS. RE-REGULATE THE BANKS AND THE FINANCIAL MARKETS, INCLUDING TOXIC HIGH RISK INVESTMENTS AND OFF SHORE GAMES. TAX THE WEALTHIEST BEYOND THE CAP FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE. SET THE ESTATE TAX TO END THE TRANSFER OF WEALTH TO IGNORANT TRUST FUND BABIES LIKE GWBUSH WHO HAVE ACCOMPLISHED NOTHING OF BENEFIT TO SOCIETY.
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11:16 PM on 12/06/2009
Well, if Obama supports Bernanke, Obama supports these things, as well.
06:54 PM on 12/06/2009
Fire Bernanke.

Leave Social Security and Medical Alone.

Bush and his henchmen tried to give control of social security 2 years ago. Thank god the GOP Plan was defeated by the seniors of this country.
06:31 PM on 12/06/2009
Congress, Senators, and EVERYBODY in Washington needs to have their salaries cut in half when they retire. Don't they get to retain their full salary for life and GIVE THEMSELVES raises?
04:38 PM on 12/06/2009
Is it not fairly obvious that as US demographics shift, as the baby-boomers
who have been putting $$$ into the economy are now taking it out instead,
as there are relatively fewer putting money in (at least for awhile), that huge
changes suggest themselves. SocSec & Medicare become unaffordable,
or they can't be funded with flat, regressive, capped formulas as in the past.

It was relatively easy as the population (& economy) grew to pay for the
'entitlement' needs of FDR's generation. It's just not going to be anything
like easy to keep doing that for LBJ's kids. Something has to give.
11:43 AM on 12/06/2009
NO more bailouts. No more bonuses. Time to put people to work!

good articles; http://financeopinionss.blogspot.com
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sodisenchanted
oh yea, well don't tread on me either!
12:44 PM on 12/05/2009
I don't understand why we just don't take the cap off the Medicare tax. It's been a while since I've done payroll but I think it is around 1.45% and it caps at approximately $100,000. That means the wealthiest people only pay Medicare tax on their first $100,000 of income. How ridiculous. If all those Wall Street nincompoops paid that tax on their entire salary and bonuses their would be no shortage of money for Medicare or Healthcare Reform of any kind and they would never miss the money.

It is scandalous to me that these people are unwilling to pay 1.5% more in taxes while screaming about death panels.
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sodisenchanted
oh yea, well don't tread on me either!
12:46 PM on 12/05/2009
Sorry. their=there
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jmpurser
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10:32 AM on 12/06/2009
Don't you hate that one? their, they're, there.
10:26 AM on 12/05/2009
Getting rid of this loser, should be a no brainer. Those who vote to keep this guy, should be voted out of office.
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jmpurser
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10:33 AM on 12/06/2009
Agreed but Obama needs him. Otherwise it would become all too clear that it's Obama who's working for the wealthy.
10:23 AM on 12/05/2009
CONGRESS, GET RID OF THIS SNAKE!!
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Charlotte Bloebaum
09:05 AM on 12/05/2009
Bernanke needs to go. He has done nothing for us but a lot for banks. Time for a change. He has had plenty of time to do something for us, especially for seniors. We do not need him and his greed.
08:12 AM on 12/05/2009
Bernanke's views on Social Security and Medicare are nothing new. The Boston Globe quoted him saying essentially the same things in an interview in January of 2007.
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pj-smith
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11:58 AM on 12/05/2009
our president said the same things when he was running...hope he breaks THAT campaign promise.
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08:04 AM on 12/05/2009
If in fact Mr. Bernanke is a scholar of the Great Depression, he should recognize that one of the attributes shared by the run-up to both the great Depression and our current great recession is the stagnation of wages for most of the people in this country. Our current problems started when the credit cards could no longer keep up with consumption. Income growth for the bottom 90% has been stagnant or declining since 1973 when adjusted for inflation. Since the top earners escape FICA taxes after a certain point, the problems with Social Security have a lot to do with the fact that the majority of people paying in aren't getting ahead financially. When the bellwether 'industry' in the US is big-box retail a la Wal-mart, this shouldn't be hard to understand.

Of course nobody sitting in Congress would bring this up. To do so would turn the focus on some very bad people sitting in boardrooms across the US, who've squandered our industrial and technological advantages for the sake of better returns through offshoring. Our wars are just the cherry on top.

For most progressives, this is just one more reason to make sure Bernanke doesn't keep his job.
07:37 AM on 12/05/2009
I was unsure of Bernanke, but undecided. But the mentality of his Sutton quote on an area out of his purview is too much. He was in charge during a massive recession and his specialty is the Great Depression. Wrote his PhD thesis on it? Didn't see it late no. Didn't see it at all!

Fail up again.

And us knaves and proles are sucking the treasury dry with entitlements. God we're tedious to the ones in charge. There is no retirement anymore. Look at our 401K's Ben, super banker, in the red if you understand that. Goldman will raid it in another 10-15yrs most likely anyway. I think I'll be working at least part time till the end.