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Health Care Reform Could Skip Final Step, Roll Right Through House

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 03:50 PM ET

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The health care reform bill that passes the Senate might be the one that ends up on President Obama's desk, bypassing the usual House-Senate conference committee and avoiding another 60-vote threshold to end a filibuster.

There is increased chatter on Capitol Hill about a possible "ping-ponging" of the Senate health care bill: that chamber would pass its health care bill, send it to the House and the House would be asked to pass it with no changes and send it directly to the president.

That limits the options of congressional critics -- under the usual procedure, lawmakers dissatisfied with the bill pushed through their chamber can win changes through adroit political maneuvering in conference committee negotiations.

"It's the only scenario by which we could actually get this whole thing done before the New Year. The House has indicated they'd consider it, depending on what the final bill looks like over here after we finish with the sausage-making," said a senate Democratic aide involved in the health care fight.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is currently negotiating what's known as a "manager's amendment." That amendment includes large and small concerns that senators want worked out before voting to end a filibuster. If Democrats decide to ping-pong the bill, the manager's amendment becomes, in effect, the only place to work out differences.

"I've started hearing about it in the last week or so," said Jim Kessler, head of the group Third Way. Kessler, a former senior aide to Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.), is working closely on health care negotiations and said he's heard talk of the ping-pong plan coming from the Hill.

"You would need pre-conference negotiations. That pre-conference negotiation would be what ends up in the manager's amendment," he said. "Essentially, the manager's amendment becomes the new conference."

Kessler said that if it can be done, it should be done. "You've got to keep your eyes on the prize, and the prize is health care reform," he said. "I think it's a great idea if it means health care reform gets passed... Eventually, they're going to have a bill that passes both houses. If you can do it without the long, arduous process, why not?"

Spokespersons for both Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) declined to comment.

Reid and President Obama, of course, do not run the House. They would need the sign-off of Pelosi, who would need the approval of her caucus. To get such approval, the manager's amendment would need to sufficiently address House concerns. Pre-conference negotiations -- or, in this case, pre-manager's amendment -- are not currently ongoing at the staff level, said Jim Manley, senior communications adviser to Reid.

The plan risks infuriating the party's progressive base, which is much happier with the House bill than the Senate effort.

"As it stands, the House bill makes health care much more affordable for people than the Senate's bill. And right now, there is a real possibility that the House will be expected to swallow the Senate's bill without making these improvements. There are two legislative bodies and both have a say in what reform looks like -- this shouldn't be news to members of the Senate," said Lori Lodes, a spokeswoman for the Service Employees International Union, which is heavily involved in health care negotiations.

The differences between the House and Senate approaches are legion and House sources say the lower chamber is very unlikely to rubber stamp a bill agreed to by the White House and Senate. The House relies, to a significant extent, on a tax increase on the wealthy to fund reform; the Senate instead taxes some health insurance plans. The House allows the government to negotiate for lower drug prices and otherwise requires a greater commitment from drug makers than the Senate bill does. The House plan covers more people and includes a public option; the fate of a government plan on the Senate side is uncertain. Major parts of the House plan kick in a year earlier -- in 2013 -- than in the Senate bill. And then there's abortion.

Those difference, among others, will need to be bridged at some point, whether it's in conference or earlier. If they're not -- and if House progressives think they've been rolled -- then they might bail. The House bill only passed with a margin of five votes.

"The whole point is we tolerated negotiated rates and tolerated having to watch the Senate work its machinations, with the whole hope that in conference the House will go in strong," said Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.), co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. "For a lot of progressives that have relied on conference as the vehicle to save the public option, it becomes a very, very difficult vote."

Grijalva told HuffPost that the strategy would require progressives to back down so that the president could get a symbolic win. "Progressives will be jammed into a corner and once again asked, 'You've got to do this for the president so he can give a State of the Union address,'" he said. "As much as the State of the Union becomes critical, this is not something we can get beaten up on to vote for."

Grijalva noted other significant differences in the way that the bills treat the pharmaceutical industry and that the Senate bill lacks a revocation of the insurance industries' anti-trust exemption. "It becomes a conscious call," he said. "That would be a vote that I could not take."

Regardless of when those differences are hashed out, said Kessler, they have to be addressed at some point. Better sooner than later, he said. "You'd have to do it with the concurrence of the House. This has to be a two-step process," said Kessler. "If you can do it now, why not do it now?"

If the House refuses to play along, it could either amend the bill and send it back for an up-or-down vote in the Senate, or go to a conference committee. "If the House doesn't like it, they'll send it back with changes. Then it truly is ping pong," said Kessler.


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The health care reform bill that passes the Senate might be the one that ends up on President Obama's desk, bypassing the usual House-Senate conference committee and avoiding another 60-vote threshold...
The health care reform bill that passes the Senate might be the one that ends up on President Obama's desk, bypassing the usual House-Senate conference committee and avoiding another 60-vote threshold...
 
 
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Grannysue
Been around for awhile!
12:08 PM on 12/08/2009
Yes do it REID, grow a pair and tell the GOPERS to take a hike, they did absoultely everything behind closed doors during their THREE DAY WORK WEEKS while Bushy and the Gang decimated the country. And please this sixty year old unemployed (since July) Grannie begs you to lower the Medicare age to fifty five or sixty!
11:58 AM on 12/08/2009
Somehow, I'm getting the impression the Republicans does not like what the Dems are doing to get this done...that is a good thing folks.
04:30 PM on 12/08/2009
If the Repubs and the healthcare industry are fighting so hard to block this legislation, that's proof that it'll be bad for them, good for the country.
The greedy heathcare industry wouldn't be spending millions of their corruptly-earned dollars on anti-reform ads if they thought it would be good for them.
01:17 AM on 12/21/2009
The Republicans are trying to stop anything from passing to make Obama look powerless. However, you have one thing wrong, the insurance industry has lobbied the "moderate" Dems to the point they are dancing over this bill. If the insurance industry is happy about it, guaranteed it is bad for consumers....not to mention big pharma didn't take ANY hits. In an effort to look like they are doing what they promised the Democrats are poised to pass a piece of junk.
11:14 AM on 12/08/2009
Democrats promised open, accountable government. Not this.
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James Shanks
11:26 AM on 12/08/2009
Please elaborate.
12:22 PM on 12/08/2009
Obama meeting only with dem's behind closed Doors..... how is that open and transparent?
Bullying and buying votes. It's "My way or the Highway" What an administration!
RTIII
Poster of over 0.0135% of all HufPost comments
11:12 AM on 12/08/2009
If the proposed approach is followed, it will _guarantee_ a bill that should not have been passed.

This is an attempt to ki// any true reform.

By the way, ending "pre-existing conditions" _without_ having a capper that says "premiums may not vary by more than 20% from cheapest to most expensive for otherwise identical coverage" is meaningless. The bill that passed the House does not have that language which is why this is already a failed - "compromised" - attempt at HC reform. ...and I use the word "attempt" advisedly.
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04:40 PM on 12/15/2009
I agree.
If a STRONG (LARGEST Risk Pool) Public Option is not inserted somewhere before voting it in WITH 51 VOTES, then it should be killed.

You just can't force people to buy into a LEGALIZED PROTECTION RACKET without at least rolling back current pricing SIGNIFICANTLY - not just "bending down the increase curve."

People don't have insurance because CURRENT COSTS ARE RADICALLY UNAFFORDABLE.

What will keep them from increasing premiums, copays etc. WITHOUT LIMIT "to pass on the cost of Reforms?"?
10:33 AM on 12/08/2009
YES!!
10:02 AM on 12/08/2009
Remember when dear leader promised to hold everything about health care with an "open door" policy and broadcast everything on CSPAN?

Did not see the meeting the other day on health care on CSPAN. Also do not recall seeing his meetings with the big drug companies on CSPAN.

hey obama: YOU LIE!
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ByersL
What fresh hell is this?
10:17 AM on 12/08/2009
Another juvenile home sick today.
10:26 AM on 12/08/2009
Hey byersL, did he or did he not say that all negotiations about this would be open door and broadcast on CSPAN? I remember in his debate with she-bill when he said this.

Now if he said that and now he is not doing it....

Oh yeah, I forgot, dear leader gets a pass on everything, much like when he said he would stop military tribunals... oh wait, those started up again. Yet another lie.

I know you drank it fast, but could you even tell what flavor the kool-aid was?
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Laws456
Don't believe the Hype
10:33 AM on 12/08/2009
He didn't lie, Obama did say that.
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JD44Irish
09:50 AM on 12/08/2009
Where is the article about Harry Reid analogizing the opposition to Health Care reform to the supporters of slavery? Whats the matter HP, we can't be critical of our own white knight?
06:10 PM on 12/09/2009
Seriousy, I'm confused. Who is HP - and who is the white knight? Not kidding.
09:02 AM on 12/08/2009
This is crap. They should dump the whole thing. Start over without any Republican or blue Dog input or forget it.
11:19 AM on 12/08/2009
Congress needs to start over and hold public hearings. Solicit testimony about a variety of reform proposals: government provided (like Britain's NHS); single payer (like Canada); expanded health savings accounts (like Whole Foods has provided for many of its employees); equalizing the tax treatment of employer provided and other forms of health insurance (as John McCain proposed when he was running for President); tort reform; and so on. And listen to what their constituents say.
06:11 PM on 12/09/2009
I agree with you. 100%. It amazes me how obstructive Republicans are - and then they have the nerve to criticize every effort put forth by the Democrats by "just saying NO". No matter WHAT it is that the Obama administration are trying to achieve, the Republicans obstruct - because after all the Republican plan is - DEFEAT OBAMA AND THE REPUBLICANS HAVE WON. Screw the country, they don't care about that. How immature is that?
08:48 AM on 12/08/2009
Health Sector Propaganda Costs Exceed $600 Million
If you’re puzzled about rising health care costs, look no further. The health sector has enough of our money in its coffers to blow that it has been able to spend a record $600 million on campaign contributions, lobbying and TV ads. That’s enough to pay the insurance premiums for about 45,000 families for a year. That’s several times more than the number of uninsured people who die each year, by the way.

Meanwhile, the health insurers are busy throwing as many people out of their plans as they can and raising prices at far higher rates than ever before, just in case there is a public option and they have competition looming on the horizon. Does anybody believe that they’ll restore insurance for those people, or lower rates for their other victims, if it doesn’t [...]
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deepfreezevideo
Now with even MORE microbial micro-bio!
09:30 PM on 12/23/2009
Maybe we need to force the industry to bankrupt itself fighting.
Reagan did it to the Soviet Union...make the insurers bankrupt themselves and when they've spent their last dollar, BOOM! Lower the hammer.
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Vinca
08:44 AM on 12/08/2009
I recommend MEDICARE FOR EVERYONE. IT WORKS WELL.
10:26 AM on 12/08/2009
Not for doctors...Most will find other jobs....Medicare has the worst reimbursement!
10:46 AM on 12/08/2009
Yeah sure. In this economy the doctors are going to quit because they aren't making enough. Maybe they will take Walmart jobs? What are you kidding?

And...anyonewho is in health care to make a profit ought to go. that's the whole problem with the system.
08:27 AM on 12/08/2009
I like it, enough with the senate filibuster threats, once it''s done, move on.
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take10
08:24 AM on 12/08/2009
"Republicans are nuts and democrats don't seem to have any!" The key word for all of them is politician. They will do what is in their own monetary best interests. Public servants have been replaced by self servants, and as long as they can keep us divided and at each other's throats, they can wheel and deal with all of the bribing lobbyist dollars they can legislate for. This is the America we allowed to prevail while we all sat back and soaked in I, my and the peanuts that they allowed to trickle down to a privileged few. Being neglected by your government has a direct relationship to how far it was allowed to sway from "of the people, for the people and by the people!" I dare say that it's probably too late for intervention.
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aseasonforreason
12:30 PM on 12/08/2009
"Republicans are nuts and democrats don't seem to have any!"

Despite the obvious over-generalities, this quote tickles my fancy and gets to the heart of my own broad-based concerns about both parties. Permission to use it? If it is original to you, bravo.

As to your other point, I think it safe to say that what's happening on Wallstreet, the housing crisis, the banks and credit card companies, Supreme Court and on Capital Hill is all the evidence we need that it is time to deal with big money in Washington and the political process.

(And thank you to the Democrats who ARE showing backbone - and to Republicans who are not nuts and are fighting against the insanity, if there are any left)
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take10
02:08 PM on 12/08/2009
Yes! I coined the phrase right here on HP a few months ago. It was appropriate then as well as now. We'll just have to wait and see whether or not the democrats are watering their plants. The President can't do it alone. The blue dogs obviously have contracted rabies and Lieberman may as well be the ghost of idiots past! Telling Americans who are already suffering to be austere while their government takes care of nation building where we aren't even wanted, isn't a positive move either. We are on a straight path back to the days of serfdom where the rich rule and all others beg, borrow, and yes, steal!
07:44 AM on 12/08/2009
OK, has everybody in Washington D.C. had their 15 minutes of fame yet? If not, lets get some cameras out there and get that done so that all the folks back home can see that Congress works really hard for it's paycheck. You've overstayed your welcome on Healthcare, you have your pockets full and face time, now it's time to act responsibly and get this overwith, you are hurting yourselves tremendously. All of you.

We citizens are tired of looking at your stumbling. Either you vote or we will, for someone else.
07:36 AM on 12/08/2009
'The public option is
DOA and the Dem's did it.
05:50 AM on 12/08/2009
Funny how HuffnPo hasn't stated anything about Harry Reid's slavery remark Monday.