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5 Detained Americans Wanted To Fight Jihad, Pakistani Police Say

ASIF SHAHZAD and DEVLIN BARRETT   12/10/09 09:31 PM ET   AP

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SARGODHA, Pakistan — Five young American Muslims detained in Pakistan wanted to join militants in the country's Taliban-ruled tribal region, battle U.S. troops in neighboring Afghanistan and die as martyrs, police officials said Thursday.

The men initially tried to contact jihadist groups in Pakistan via YouTube and other Web sites, then traveled to Pakistan to attempt personal meetings, said the police chief in this eastern Pakistani city, Usman Anwar.

One of their fathers was also detained when police raided two locations this week in Sargodha, a city on the main road to the Afghan border region that is home to a major air force base and is known as a hotbed of militant activity.

The young men, aged 19 to 25, were reported missing from the Washington, D.C., area more than a week ago after their families found a farewell video showing scenes of war and casualties and saying Muslims must be defended.

The detentions are another worrisome sign that Americans may be susceptible to recruitment to terrorist networks from within the United States. It comes on the heels of charges against a Chicago man of Pakistani origin who is accused of plotting the 2008 terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India.

Yet in contrast to the Chicago case, police say the five captured in Pakistan failed to catch on with any terror network, and succeeded only in raising suspicions among locals, who reported them to Pakistani police.

FBI agents and U.S. Embassy security officials have met with the men, U.S. officials said, but it was not clear whether they would be charged and tried in Pakistan or deported.

Anwar said the men arrived in the southern city of Karachi earlier this month.

They were identified as Pakistani Americans Umer Farooq and Waqar Hussain; Ethiopian Americans Aman Yamar and Ahmed Abdullah Mimi; and Ramy Zamzam, an Egyptian American who is a dental student at Howard University, according to a Pakistan government official in Washington. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case.

Regional police chief Javed Islam said the five wanted to join militants in Pakistan's tribal area before crossing into Afghanistan to take part in jihad, or holy war. He said they met representatives from the al-Qaida-linked Jaish-e-Mohammed militant group in the southeastern city of Hyderabad and from a related group, Jamat-ud-Dawa, in Lahore.

"They were asking to be recruited, trained and sent on jihad," Islam said.

He said those groups turned them down because they did not have any "references" from militants trusted by them. None spoke fluent Urdu, including those of Pakistani origin, Anwar said.

Anwar said their final destination in Pakistan was to have been Miran Shah, the main town in North Waziristan, a lawless region on the border with Afghanistan where al-Qaida and the Taliban enjoy free rein.

"During interrogation, these guys, especially the Egyptian, mentioned repeatedly that we are here to become martyrs," Anwar said. "They said they would lay down their lives in the name of Islam against the American infidels and other allied forces."

Farooq's father, Khalid Farooq, also was detained. Anwar said the elder Farooq owns a computer business in Virginia and shuttles between the U.S. and Pakistan. Authorities said he owns one of the homes raided by police and investigators are still trying to establish what role – if any – he played in the men's alleged activities.

The other location was a home owned by an uncle of one of the suspects who has ties to militant groups, according to S.M. Imran Gardezi, the press minister at the Pakistani Embassy in Washington.

Authorities seized a laptop, jihadi literature and digital maps of Pakistani cities from the men, Anwar said.

The men communicated among themselves by writing draft e-mail messages in the same account, the police chief said. The practice – often used by militant groups – allowed them to contact each other without actually sending a message and risking it be intercepted.

"They are directly connected to al-Qaida. They had plans for attacks inside and outside Sargodha," said Anwar. He did not say what evidence he had to support the claim.

The men applied for travel visas in the week leading up to Thanksgiving, writing on their applications that they planned to attend a friend's wedding and go sightseeing, a Pakistani official said. They were taken into custody Monday, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the case.

In Washington, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley said FBI and U.S. Embassy security officers have already visited the Americans and U.S. consular officials were scheduled to meet with them on Friday.

"We're in an information-gathering phase," Crowley said, adding that one question they sought to answer was why the five young men were in Pakistan. "We should just not draw any conclusions at this point," he said.

A lawyer for the young men's families, Nina Ginsberg, said they were making preparations to voluntarily return to the United States when they were detained. "The families had gotten indications that they had decided to come back," she said.

She said she has seen the farewell video, and while it was troublesome, "I don't believe it constitutes a crime. I don't think it goes over the edge of asking or directing people to commit acts of violence."

Jaish-e-Mohammed and Jamat-ud-Dawa – a front group for Lashkar Taiba – are two related militant groups active in Punjab province. They are mostly made up of Pakistanis and concentrate on attacking targets in India, but in recent years they or splinter groups have targeted Western interests in Pakistan and attracted a smattering of foreign recruits.

Five alleged members of Lashkar Taiba are currently on trial in Pakistan accused in last year's terror attacks in Mumbai, India.

The two-story house owned by the elder Farooq was locked and empty Thursday, with police nowhere to be seen.

A neighbor said he was surprised it was allegedly being used by militants and that the owner was a good man.

"I would have never thought this family could be involved in any jihadi activity," said Mohammad Shakil.

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Associated Press Writers Zarar Khan and Nahal Toosi in Islamabad; Devlin Barrett, Matthew Lee, Lolita C. Baldor, Matt Apuzzo, Pamela Hess, and Eileen Sullivan in Washington; and Nafeesa Syeed in Alexandria, Va., contributed to this report.

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Anthony Sturgeon
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03:29 AM on 12/11/2009
The battle of ideas runs thru the minds of all of us according to our perspectives,, some consider it the war of wars in each of us.. Could it possibly be that we Americans haven't grasped the understanding of our present enemies in our drive to defeat them?

We see a fight to defend freedom from right wing extremism, and they see the story lines from an empire run by oil barons that have demonized an entire religion from the crimes of a few... Two totally different visions that need to be understood in order to educate all of us so we can at least be included in the debate... Communication and understanding is vital unless the eternal war is what's preferred.... It's really not a good sign when you see Doctors and Lawyers deciding to blow themselves up,,,,,,,,,,,,and we Americans haven't got a clue why!!

If we're unable or uninterested in learning the perspectives of the Muslim people in America and those nations we occupy,, we'll never come close to winning the war for the hearts and minds of those young bystanders who do, and believe it hypocritical to relate Bin laden to all Muslims while not allowing all Christians to be tied with a Tim McVeigh, or a pro life terrorist...
05:55 PM on 12/11/2009
Of course it's unfair to relate Bin Laden with all Muslims. But what we've seen with the Fort Hood case, and in this case, is incriminating statements and actions ignored in a bureaucratic and societal blindness to the potential of American Muslims to spontaneously radicalize into killers.
02:26 AM on 12/11/2009
4 foreigners refuse police search in Lahore

http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=93085

he police authorities stopped two land cruisers and asked the riders for search near Sherpao bridge area of Lahore.

However, four people riding the vehicles refused to allow the police to carry out their search, according to Geo News.

The incident took place at 3pm after which a traffic jam was witnessed in the area.

According to a Geo TV reporter, these vehicles have number plates of Islamabad and Lahore. The media has been barred to visit the area.

According to eyewitnesses, people riding the land cruisers are foreigners, who are not allowing the police to carry out search.

Note: US Embassy later admittes these were US citizens. Few months ago, a Police officer was passing by the embassy area near US embassy he was stopped by US marine, who got into argument with the police officer, and pulled a gun on the police officer. These are many incidents of US personnel being stopped and released even while carrying arms. Lot of Pakistanis getting really fed up and I am afraid one day mob will take over and result wont be good.
02:10 AM on 12/11/2009
I don't think it is fair in America to racial profile because I am a strong believer in not everyone is how you stereotype them to be. A Muslim man does not automatically mean he is part of Al Queada and wanting to fight in this Jihad in a plan to kill Americans. But I think it is sad when we can not trust Americans. I wish more people would be good hearted people instead of cruel and heartless. Now the JIhadist war we are in has dated back longer than the 9-11 attacks. Sadly enough we were warned by Bin Laden in 1998 of the Jihad and the reasons why. One, United States has been occupying their land for too long. Two, Americans destroy what property they have. The final was too many Muslims have been killed. Now the problem lies with the fact Al Queada is too powerful and we needed to step in for the sake of America nad other countries. THe part of this war that truly gets me is right in this article Americans turning into Jihadists... uncalled for and unAmerican.
03:42 AM on 12/11/2009
"United States has been occupying their land for too long".
Let us be clear.This man is a Jihadi sympathizer. Not because he does not like the US but because he is justifying the jihadi cause.It is important to separate this guy from moderate muslims.
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01:29 AM on 12/11/2009
A story running for days without any confirmation of facts. All kinds of angles, suggestions, "what ifs," "possible intentions," "speculation," but no facts. When you have an unpopular war and you need to up support for more war spending, you start feeding propaganda to the MSM, who will carry the water, no questions asked.
06:39 PM on 12/10/2009
I think you are missing the point. American radicalism at the highest levels (Cheney), is part of what is inciting this transition. For years before 9/11, intolerance was there, as with other minorities. It amazes me, no accountability is taken for such radicalization of this Republican population that breathes hate into every corner of society. No different than al Queda. Intolerance toward a black President that wishes to reverse the 'good' this man is doing to regain WH ownership is abundantly clear throughout the World. Evil, dispicable and un-american.

You call it freedom. I call it rejection. You are the only one free, while you destroy the lives and hopes of others that also are Americans. This is the root of the problem, and if they are in power, beleive me, I feel this disenchantment and threat will only get larger.
10:52 PM on 12/10/2009
Yes, blame the victims, great.
06:29 PM on 12/10/2009
At least it is nice to know that our enemies are amazingly stupid.

Lock the clowns up.
06:00 PM on 12/10/2009
good news all around... we can only hope that sanity continues to take hold
05:45 PM on 12/10/2009
Gee it is tough job markets nowadays.
Even AQ isn't hiring without good recommendation letters!
05:23 PM on 12/10/2009
This is interesting on all kinds of levels.

Apparently al Qaida or its allies have no recruiting system set up in the USA. Which I take as excellent news. American Muslims aren't tolerating it.

Second, the fact they were turned in by Pakistani locals is also a very good sign. At least some of them are fed up with violence in the name of religion.

What bears further study is why Fundamentalism is attractive to well educated Muslims, in the USA as well as the rest of the West. Al Qaida and it's clones are not a movement of desperation by poor people.

It seems to be attracting the well to do and the well educated.

So how to counter this?

I understand Saudi Arabia has had some success in deprograming fundamentalists. We need to be learning from that success.
05:43 PM on 12/10/2009
The famous case of the Gitmo saudi who was "deprogrammed" is now back preaching jihad -- and not the inner spiritual kind.
06:15 PM on 12/10/2009
There are any number of Saudis in the program.
06:34 PM on 12/10/2009
It may attract the poor too . . . they just don't have the money for internet access, gasoline, guns, airline tickets, etc. If you are dirt poor, you really can't put up much of a fight. You need to be able to feed, clothe, and house yourself before you are able to begin fighting with someone else.

So . . . there are parts of the world filled with people that would like to do us harm. They just can't afford the costs of attacking.
07:08 PM on 12/10/2009
While that may possibly be true that is not what is happening with al Qaida.

Take a look at the profile of the 9/11 hijackers. Bin Ladin and Zawahiri for that matter.

This is not a movement of poor or uneducated.
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Immhotep
07:24 PM on 12/10/2009
". . . there are parts of the world filled with people that would like to do us harm..."

Why do they want to do us harm, and not Switzerland, or Canada, or Sweden? May be we should get off our self-righteous pedestal and look inward.
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knightoftheroundtable
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05:20 PM on 12/10/2009
As an American I think a 50 year sentence in a Pakistan prison for the 5 traitors will give them enough time to understand the choice they made.
05:28 PM on 12/10/2009
As bad as a Pakistani jail no doubt is, why do I suspect it would be preferable for inmates with money and connections?

Of course that would give them all the real contacts they could ever need, wouldn't it?
05:14 PM on 12/10/2009
We have some really nice U.S. District Court Judges, and some U.S. District Courts just waiting to assist them with their return home. And, as a bonus, they can get cells next to Walker.
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04:26 PM on 12/10/2009
So Americans don't even have references good enough to find jihad work? Geesh.
05:24 PM on 12/10/2009
It is one indication that the Jihadists in Pakistan have sophisticated security.

And a clue as to why we haven't brought bin Ladin or Zawahiri to justice.
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MiriamMaf
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04:24 PM on 12/10/2009
*they might be held inciting.
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MiriamMaf
I can see the Matrix.
04:16 PM on 12/10/2009
This whole article is simply based on he said she said with no actual evidence. get some proof any type of substantial proof and I'll find this article more interesting to read, if no evidence is provided this is all just and "alleged" case and I can't make a judgment on alleged charges.

anyone else find this article lacking in solid proof? or solid charges? If this was a case in north America it would be thrown out as they have done nothing wrong apart form some suspicious and questionable "social networking" inquisitions. at most they might be half for insighting hatred or bigoted statements.
05:25 PM on 12/10/2009
There is the video one of them left behind.
09:27 PM on 12/10/2009
mmmm, well MiriamMaf....I think I will just compliment both the US and Pakistani law enforcement for apprehending these geniuses before they figured out how to do actual harm. Maybe you are pining for bombs in your neighborhood, I kind of like mine as it is.....
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MiriamMaf
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01:31 PM on 12/11/2009
I'm not denying that the above accusations are true, all I'm saying (as a law student) that this article is a) witter poorly written or b) the case has very little intel to go on, it wouldn't have a leg to stand on in a court of law here in Canada (unless the security certificate is used in this case, which has been challenged as being a violation of human rights and being illegal)

all I am saying is, in a court of law these people could not be found guilty of acts of the alleged charges based on the very little hearsay provided in this article... better intel should be used... the current evidence is not substantial nor is it reasonable (which are requirements for detention. but then again, it is Pakistan and not north America).

would you like to be thrown in jail because of questions you asked on your facebook account.. who knows what there true motives were? or your motives would be? it would be a violation if your basic human rights to be detained based on acts that are provided to you in your constitution (i.e. freedom of speech, etc). that is all I was saying.. get some substantial and reasonable proof!
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03:45 PM on 12/10/2009
As JStewart has argued, this means Pakistan will invade the US due to the possible al-Quada connection.
04:29 PM on 12/10/2009
John Stewart / Stephen Colbert 2012