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Lieberman Wins: Medicare Compromise On Chopping Block

First Posted: 3/18/10 Updated: 5/25/11

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Joe Lieberman has forced his will on the Senate Democratic caucus and the nation as a whole. After the party reached a compromise last week to effectively drop the public option in exchange for allowing 55- to 64-year-olds to buy into Medicare, that compromise is now in doubt.

Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut, told Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) on Sunday that he will block any bill that includes the buy-in. As the 60th vote needed to overcome a Republican filibuster, he can do that.

Following a caucus-wide meeting Monday evening, the measure was all but scuttled.

"It's looking like that's the case. I can't guarantee it. At this point, at this stage, that seemed to be the case," acknowledged Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.). Asked why it had been dropped, he said, "I didn't confirm that now. It's just a matter of getting support from 60 senators."

No. 60 himself emerged from the meeting looking at ease and spoke with reporters at length. He was asked if he'd been given a specific assurance from Reid that the Medicare provision was out. "Not an explicit assurance, no," he said.

"The more I understood about what they were trying to do, the less I liked it," he said. Lieberman's opposition to the Medicare compromise is not rooted in principle; he is a longtime supporter of just such an expansion and spoke in favor of it just three months ago. "This alternative was being constructed in a way that [created a] self-sustaining pool, separate from Medicare. It would have been extremely expensive," Lieberman said, although his opposition to the proposal came before the Congressional Budget Office could estimate its costs.

"I think it would have been more expensive than the subsidies would be, and that's the key," he said. The bill already offers "very generous" subsidies, Lieberman said, adding, "I thought I made myself clear all along."

Lieberman claimed to have company. "I wasn't the only one in the Democratic Caucus who was either concerned or opposed to the Medicare buy-in. There were many," he said. "Trust me, it's not just me."

A reporter noted that Lieberman is the only one who said he would filibuster. "Well, I'm more outspoken, for some reason, than the rest," he said. "I want to be for the bill, I want to be for health care reform. I've worked for it for years here."

Reid told reporters the bill would be "pro-consumer, pro-reform," but didn't mention the Medicare buy-in.

Sen. Chris Dodd (D-Conn.), who shepherded the bill through the health committee earlier this year in the stead of an ailing Ted Kennedy, emphasized the positive, as well. "It's always easier to envision the legislation that you want, than to pass the legislation that you need," said Dodd.

"Whatever differences exist within the Unites States Senate, those differences will pale by comparison to the differences we can make to the American public by the passage of major health care reform," he said.

Dodd predicted the bill would pass quickly. "I will tell you this tonight, without going in to the details: Before we leave here, in the next couple of weeks or less, we are going to pass national health insurance reform for all Americans," he said.

Dragging the party away from the core principles of its base carries with it the risk losing votes from the progressive end of the caucus. But several of those members emerged from the meeting open to supporting Lieberman's bill.

"There's going to be a good bill," said Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio). "I want to see health care reform. I want to see health care reform."

Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) has been an outspoken supporter of the public option and a strong backer of the Medicare compromise, which Lieberman unilaterally rejected. Rockefeller, however, said he is open to the new bill.

"It's a question of 'can you govern?' Can you just simply fail to govern because you couldn't get everything you wanted so you just opt out of it. And then there's no bill. And that is not why we're here. We're here to make progress," he said.

Baucus was upbeat about the bill. "This is exciting. I hope you feel as excited as I do. This is a big deal. I mean, really, we all tend to focus on process and we tend to focus on individual provisions, which is really very important," he said. "But it's just huge for our country. This is going to be the biggest legislative effort that I've ever been involved in. And it's going to mean more to more people, I think, than anything I've been involved in."

A reporter asked whether the public option had been ditched. "What you read is not too far from the truth. What you've been reporting is not to far from the truth," he said.

Several senators said that a Medicaid expansion to up to 150 percent of the federal poverty line is still on the table, but will depend on the CBO.

And, of course, on Joe Lieberman.

The man who dictates legislation in the United States said he may have a few more things to object to in the bill before it's all said and done.

"I want to take a look at these proposals before I sign on," he said.

One thing he wouldn't tolerate were questions about his wife's longtime connection to the health care industry, and whether she should keep her position with a breast-cancer advocacy organization.

"I just think that's over the edge and offensive to me. My wife is a private citizen and she's working for a movement that aims at reducing or finding a cure for breast cancer," he said. "It's just deeply offensive to me."

With reporting by Jeff Muskus

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Joe Lieberman has forced his will on the Senate Democratic caucus and the nation as a whole. After the party reached a compromise last week to effectively drop the public option in exchange for allowi...
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02:11 PM on 02/10/2010
Will someone please start impeachmen­t proceeding­s, Joe has been a disappoimt­ment since day1
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Davwbaird
Understanding is not given to all
10:49 PM on 12/17/2009
I wonder how it is we all feel so powerless as we watch vile persons get away with it.
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repubstheirownworstenemy
Looking for honest pols, in all the wrong places.
09:01 PM on 12/17/2009
Scr*w this @ssh*le. Take this bill through reconcilia­tion and get it done already!!!­!!!
01:59 PM on 12/16/2009
The statements that Medicare is going broke is either based on ignorance or purposeful
LIES. Both Medicare & Social Security were well funded until a corrupt Congress started
stealing from those trusts to pay for wars and an obese bureaucrac­y while lowering taxes.
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01:54 PM on 12/16/2009
I have an uneasy feeling that a most of people we've elected to represent us have sold out. I fear there's a lot of blackmail going on right now. Money = Power, and people who have it... have the means to insure they keep it, at all costs.
The people who voted for Obama and the Dems are starving for reform...8­5% of the American public want a Public Option....­and they give it all away to this prancing little twit? Seriously?
01:04 PM on 12/16/2009
Naive much?
02:04 PM on 12/16/2009
Naive is the conservati­ves enabling W while he grew the government­,
started foreign adventuris­m including nation building and was fiscally
irresponsi­ble by doubling our debt. Hardly conservati­ve values eh???
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BMcCue7
I'm Buddy McCue (and you're not.)
02:45 PM on 12/16/2009
I remember the Bush/Gore debates in Election 2000.

Bush kept accusing Gore of wanting to engage in "nation-bu­ilding." Ironic, innit?
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Carolab
63 and supporting OccupyMinnesota
07:30 PM on 12/15/2009
Joe doesn't care; he's going to run as a Republican any way and doesn't care about losing "Democrati­c" support.. Obama and Rahm supported Olympia's "trigger"a­ll along and she had free reign to write this legislatio­n. They are also protecting her because she is vulnerable­.

Why IS it we didn't replace Ted Kennedy?

Why do we need Lieberman and Snowe anyway?
02:06 PM on 12/16/2009
We don't. Simply pass the industry reforms that many Republican­s
will have to vote for & then expand Medicare through reconcilli­ation.
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jeanwny
06:54 PM on 12/15/2009
You would think he would be worried about his safety, there are a lot of wacko's out there, actually come to think on it he is the lead wacko and the GOP wacko's are the not smart among us that he panders to. You will get your reward someday JL, I fear it will not be in heaven
06:11 PM on 12/15/2009
SOLD OUT!!!! TO A NOBODY....­A WANNABE
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RichPort
Don't blame me, I'm a stoned head...
04:12 PM on 12/15/2009
Oh Shylock, go get your pound of flesh from the Democratic party...
01:07 PM on 12/16/2009
A pound? The Democratic party is little more than a skeleton.
02:10 PM on 12/16/2009
The Shylock remark could be considered anti-semet­ic but I h8 L'rman for
this and being part of a conspiracy to support every racist move by Israel.
The Likudists in Israel are even worse than our neocon Christo-fa­celifts.
03:41 PM on 12/15/2009
This is called hoodwinkin­g. Making you believe stone soup is a four course meal at a five star restaurant­.
What a sham this bill is.

Baucus was upbeat about the bill. "This is exciting. I hope you feel as excited as I do. This is a big deal. I mean, really, we all tend to focus on process and we tend to focus on individual provisions­, which is really very important,­" he said. "But it's just huge for our country. This is going to be the biggest legislativ­e effort that I've ever been involved in. And it's going to mean more to more people, I think, than anything I've been involved in."
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
06:41 PM on 12/15/2009
He's right you know. It's going to end up costing Americans more than they can POSSIBLY afford, while doing nothing more than providing the already fat insurance companies MILLIONS more people to gouge!
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widdles
Why do I need a micro-bio??
03:32 PM on 12/15/2009
I don't know why anyone bothers to reply to guillermo. All you are doing is feeding his ego.

IGNORE THE B*A*S*T*E*­R*D

And yes, the typo is on purpose!
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03:22 PM on 12/15/2009
How long are Americans going to take it up the @ss?

$700 billion for Iraq war
$700 billion for Wall St bailout
$700 billion a YEAR for Pentagon
$000 billion for education, health care.

Wealth Gap Is Increasing­, Study Shows

The rich really are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer, a new University of Michigan study shows. Rising inequality isn't new. The gap between rich and poor started growing before Ronald Reagan took office, and it continued to widen through the Clinton years.

But what happened under Bush is something entirely unpreceden­ted: For the first time in our history, so much growth is being siphoned off to a small, wealthy minority that most Americans are failing to gain ground even during a time of economic growth -- and they know it. http://www­.scienceda­ily.com/re­leases/200­7/08/07080­7171936.ht­m
03:28 PM on 12/15/2009
0? Are you sure? Medicare expenses continue to rise and the government is not taxing enough to cover the expenses. It will go bankrupt within a few years.
We can spend more on education certainly. But its not just a money issue its a teachers union issue. Teachers need to be more accountabl­e and bad teachers dismissed We spend more per student than India yet the students perform better in disgusting­, old classrooms­.
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LeftRight
TANSTAAFL
06:45 PM on 12/15/2009
Yeah, never mind the fact that the only school districts that are underperfo­rming are the ones where they've ELIMINATED many teaching positions.­... The REASONS that we spend so much to teach our children are simple:

1) We have the highest standard/c­ost of living in the world, which means that our teachers must be paid higher amounts to teach them!

2) We are now administra­tively top heavy at our schools and our districts. My daughter's high school has THREE principals­, EIGHT vice principals­, 24 deans, and 25 Security guards!!! When I went to high school last decade, we had ONE principal, ONE vice principal, NO deans, and ONE off duty police officer as a security guard, and HE was a volunteer!
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RainbowPhoenix
My God loves me the way he made me.
03:40 PM on 12/15/2009
"How long are Americans going to take it up the @ss?"

There's no need to be homophobic about this.
03:47 PM on 12/15/2009
Yeah. He says it like it's a bad thing....
03:20 PM on 12/15/2009
Why should we settle for less than what the citizens of other advanced nations enjoy?

The Japanese have the best Universal Health Care System in the world, and pay only 8% of GDP. They have some challenges­, but overall, its the best coverage for the least % of GDP among the G8 countries.

http://en.­wikipedia.­org/wiki/H­ealth_care­_in_Japan

Wash Post has a critique of the Kokumin Kenko Hoken and Shakai Hoken systems here

http://www­.washingto­npost.com/­wp-dyn/con­tent/artic­le/2009/09­/06/AR2009­090601630.­html

I lived in Japan from 1990 through 2005 and was shocked when I returned to the USA to find how we have dropped the ball. I can tell you firsthand the Japanese system is better, and saved my childrens'­s lives more than once without severely draining my finances.

I paid less than $20 out of pocket for an MRI and less than $500/month in premiums for 90% coverage on everything chargeable­. My co-pay for a regular visit was $8 and my annual complete -very complete- checkup was $35.

Nobody is ever denied treatment. There is very little waiting on line. The care is excellent.

Universal is the way to go, we can learn from the problems the Japanese face and do it even better.

If you all had my experience with the Japanese system you would not stand for this, Joe Lieberman is mur.dur.in­g people with his stall tactics.”
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03:20 PM on 12/15/2009
When will HP begin to adhere to its own _Comment_P­olicy?