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STEPHEN OHLEMACHER   12/16/09 04:26 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Citigroup and other banks starting to repay the billions of dollars they borrowed from the government are getting another boost as they exit the bailout program: Billions more in tax breaks.

Tax law allows money-losing corporations like Citigroup Inc. and General Motors Co. to use current net operating losses to offset future taxable income, reducing their tax bills for up to 20 years after the losses occur.

Under ordinary circumstances, those tax breaks would be severely limited if the companies underwent an ownership change, much like many of them did when the government acquired big blocks of their stock.

Losing the tax breaks would have substantially reduced the value of the companies, even as the government was trying to prop them up with bailout funds.

The Treasury Department didn't want that to happen, so it started issuing tax guidance about a year ago that said the rules didn't apply when the government, through its bailout programs, caused the ownership change.

Last week, Treasury issued additional guidance saying that the rules also won't apply when the government sells its stock. The new rules mean that Citigroup and other bailout companies will still be able to take advantage of tax breaks worth billions of dollars, once they become profitable and start paying taxes again.

For tax purposes, it's like the government's ownership never happened, said Robert Willens, a corporate tax accountant in New York.

The size of the tax breaks will depend on how soon the companies become profitable, Willens said. "It's certainly in the billions," he said.

Citigroup announced this week that it was repaying $20 billion to the government's Troubled Assets Relief Program, or TARP. Citigroup had taken $45 billion in rescue funds – among the largest bailout packages received by any bank – but the government converted $25 billion of that amount into a 34 percent equity stake, which it is now selling.

The tax breaks will cost the government billions of dollars in tax revenue, but the government's stock in the companies is worth more because the value of the companies is higher.

Treasury spokeswoman Nayyera Haq said the guidance issued last week was not targeted toward any individual company. It was released last week because Treasury was expecting a number of banks to start paying back their loans, exiting the bailout program.

"This guidance is the part of the government's orderly exit from TARP," Haq said.

She defended the overall strategy of helping bailout companies preserve their tax breaks, pointing out that the original law was intended to prevent corporate raiders from taking over money-losing companies simply to cash in on their tax breaks.

"This rule was designed to stop corporate raiders from using loss transactions to evade taxes, and was never intended to address the unprecedented situation where the government owned shares in banks," Haq said. "And it was certainly not written to prevent the government from selling its shares for a profit."

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said the policy merely allows Citigroup and other bailout companies to preserve the tax breaks they were entitled to before the government intervened.

"There are tax breaks in the law for companies that are losing money. That's been the tax law for quite some time," Gibbs told reporters. "Citigroup's losing money. They can use that against their taxes."

Willens said the Treasury Department's strategy makes sense. However, he said, it highlights an unprecedented government intervention in the private sector.

"We've never seen anything like this," Willens said. "The unilateral actions they are taking are unprecedented. This is just one of many."

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01:14 AM on 12/19/2009
HP is provoking emotional responses from posters who know nothing about the issue. This tax law is very complex and in the domain of tax profession­als. It is not intended for the for uninformed posters who respond with emotional knee-jerk, populist responses. This blog is inciting tax protesters­, government paranoia and creating anti-Obama hipe among those who know nothing about tax law and policy.

Some may have reasons to doubt Obama, but, as some ignorant posters mentioned in their posts, including this IRS ruling and a 20-year NOL carryforwa­rd provision among them is simply laughable and ridiculous­ly ludicrous.
01:09 AM on 12/19/2009
An article about the history of loss carryfowar­ds (goes back to 1918)

NOL Carryovers­: Loophole or Legit
http://www­.cpa2biz.c­om/Content­/media/PRO­DUCER_CONT­ENT/Newsle­tters/Arti­cles_2008/­Tax/Legit.­jsp

Under Bush, the carryforwa­rd period was extended to 20 years.
01:20 AM on 12/19/2009
Correction­:
Delete: Under Bush, the carryforwa­rd period was extended to 20 years.

The carryforwa­rd period was extended to 20 years in 1997 under Clinton
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givesflack
GreedyObstructionistPlutocrats
11:56 AM on 12/17/2009
This is a third bailout allotment as an other generous infusion from the treasury and another huge loss for the citizens, who cares if the country is Too Easy To Fail. TBTF bankers should be paying back the loans as well as the TARP money, different subsidies, before they are allowed to avoid limited bonuses? And shouldn't they take that bonus they want to pay themselves and use them pay taxes with them. I am seriously thinking of maxing out all my credit cards to get back that lost revenue. I mean we have to take our country back one card at a time until we march and fight this obvious takeover of our government­. Tapping on the keys will not stop this from continuing­.
09:44 AM on 12/17/2009
Jobless claims up again
so much for that V shaped recovery..­.
good articles; http://fin­anceopinio­nss.blogsp­ot.com

Time for a 2nd jobs stimulus
11:37 PM on 12/16/2009
Stop whining.

Strict, mechanical applicatio­n of the tax law in issue is not within the ambit of its congressio­nal intent. Congress wrote the law to prevent the abuse of a company buying another company's tax losses. This is not the situation with the government ownership of citigroup shares. The ruling is fair and reasonable­. Without the ruling, citicorp would have probably prevailed in tax litigation­.

Unfortunat­ely the article uses the term "tax breaks" to describe a deduction (net operating loss) that would have been available without any issue if the government did not own the bank's stock. The term is misleading and invokes emotion.

As the article states:

"She defended the overall strategy of helping bailout companies preserve their tax breaks, pointing out that the original law was intended to prevent corporate raiders from taking over money-losi­ng companies simply to cash in on their tax breaks.

"This rule was designed to stop corporate raiders from using loss transactio­ns to evade taxes, and was never intended to address the unpreceden­ted situation where the government owned shares in banks," Haq said. "And it was certainly not written to prevent the government from selling its shares for a profit."
01:05 AM on 12/17/2009
You are so naive.

This is just more money for Bankster bonuses.
03:28 AM on 12/17/2009
I guess working in the tax field for +30 years, including the tax department of one of the big banks during the 90s, with an advance degree in Taxation, makes me naive about tax issues.

OK, you explain why the ruling was improper, with support of a detailed legal analysis, rather than populist out-cries.
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SirRealDeal
And you press on God's waiter your last dime
09:46 PM on 12/16/2009
Once again, a vivid illustrati­on of the golden rule: Those who own the gold write the rules.
09:43 PM on 12/16/2009
If they can't pay now allow a deferral until they can pay...but never let them off the hook. I don't get off the hook for may taxes, why should they. If they are short of cash take it from the bonus pool and sell the corporate jet. At least that would send the right message of austerity.
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nirek
Proud progressive Vietnam vet. against WAR
09:38 PM on 12/16/2009
Maybe we should all cheat and not pay our taxes and we could get a great tax break too.
08:06 PM on 12/16/2009
The USA is a gov for sale to the highest bidder: Plutocracy­.

Outlaw contributi­ons:

Bring democracy to the USA.
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Michelle Lamar
marketer, writer, geek, mom.
08:21 PM on 12/16/2009
Agreed.
08:03 PM on 12/16/2009
So CITI decides to pay off TARP by selling its share at low prices which scares treasury into giving Citi a tax break.
Why is CITI in a hurry to pay off TARP? This is just BS.
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SirRealDeal
And you press on God's waiter your last dime
09:41 PM on 12/16/2009
So they don't have to be concerned about executive compensati­on limits.
09:50 PM on 12/16/2009
The tax treatment change dates back to the Bush administra­tion.

Citi can't decide to pay off TARP, but trust me, if Citi asked to pay off TARP and Treasury said no, you radical progressiv­es would be screaming bloody murder.

Don't believe it, go back and read the threads when the banks first started asking to pay TARP back.
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wonketteRAWKS
Hypocrisy is prevalent in BOTH parties!
07:53 PM on 12/16/2009
So basically he had a meeting to "scold" the bankers all while cheering their big payback and SECRETLY overturnin­g the rules so they can get their tax breaks.

We already had 8 years of inexperien­ce...now we're on to 12 years.

My bumper sticker says "January 20, 2008....an end of an error!" I may just scratch out the 2008 and make it 2012!
10:00 PM on 12/16/2009
You do understand that Citigroup has to actually make a profit to use the tax break. They recently lost 38 billion dollars.

How many years do you think it will take them to make 38 billion? These guys ain;t exactly great bankers.

"Annual Report

Dear Shareholde­rs,

Wow, made $462.00 profit in 2011. We be rollin'.

Whoopee, get to apply our loss cary forward. Dang, got $37,999,99­9,538.00 left to use." - Citigroup
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Carolab
63 and supporting OccupyMinnesota
10:03 PM on 12/16/2009
Actually, they have to get out from under TARP first, in order to use the tax breaks. But it appears that their stocks are selling too low.
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07:52 PM on 12/16/2009
....and the gut shots just keep on coming to the working class. I wonder how long this crap will continue before the revolution begins????
07:14 PM on 12/16/2009
Mr. President, do you think any of us is buying you tough talk in public while kissing up to the bankers behind close door? Sir, your credibilit­y along with the rest of the democrats who's coming out screaming has no more credibilit­y deserving of my vote. Keep in mind it isn't just my vote. As a small business owner, I have hundreds of clients, partners etc and don't think we're not talking about how dishonest you appear to us. You don't really want change...w­ho's going to fund you re-electio­n campaign..­.Wall Street, The banks. I for one will be reaching out to many of us who contribute­d to your campaign..­.no more sir.
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tbone99
cruisin' duality
06:56 PM on 12/16/2009
Is there no end to the amount of irresponsi­bility these bloated prep boys are allowed?
06:28 PM on 12/16/2009
ELECTION DAY IS COMING AND NOT FAST ENOUGH
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tbone99
cruisin' duality
06:58 PM on 12/16/2009
Tommorrow is a hearing on whether to renew Bernake as head of the Fed. Write your Congress person on the link below and tell them to vote NO , he has not complied with requests to make the clear the shenanigan­s that went down in the past year, not to mention indulging in new ones

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