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Kill The Bill? Some Progressives Say Nothing Is Better Than Senate Health Care Bill (VIDEO)

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The Huffington Post   First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 03:55 PM ET

The Senate health care bill is so compromised, some progressives argue, that it would be better to try to kill it than fight for its passage.

In light of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's decision to give in to Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and agree to scrap a Medicare compromise, and with the public option already off the table, many ardent supporters of health care reform are giving up on the legislation.

Former presidential candidate Howard Dean said in a radio interview Tuesday that he agreed.

"This is essentially the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate," Dean said. "Honestly the best thing to do right now is kill the Senate bill, go back to the House, start the reconciliation process, where you only need 51 votes and it would be a much simpler bill."

WATCH: Dean explains his stance:

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"Insurance companies win. Time to kill this monstrosity coming out of the Senate," wrote DailyKos founder Markos Moulitas on his Twitter feed Monday night.

Darcy Burner, a beloved (but unsuccessful) progressive candidate for Congress in the past two elections and executive director of ProgressiveCongress.org, wrote in a blog post:

The first rule of medicine is, "Do no harm." The post-Joe Lieberman version of the Senate health care bill fails that basic criterion. Unless Democratic leadership steps up to fix this misguided proposal, our only recourse will be to kill it.


The fundamental failing of the newest Senate proposal is that it requires individuals to purchase health insurance, but does nothing to rein in what insurance companies charge. There is nothing to stop spiraling health costs from eating up an ever-increasing percentage of our national productivity.

The House bill has two major cost-control mechanisms: the public option and the 85% medical-loss ratio requirement. The Senate bill is on track to have neither, and nothing new to replace them. The Senate bill is a recipe for national disaster. If it's that bill or nothing, I prefer nothing.

At the progressive website Firedoglake, some still hope that the Senate will abandon Lieberman and pass reform with reconciliation. Blogger Gregg Levine wrote that it's time to just fight the legislation:

I say: Kill the bill.


I say this with a heavy heart. Failure to pass health care legislation, even terrible legislation, will be a great loss for the Obama administration and for Democrats in Congress. But passing a bill as bad as the Senate's eventual endpoint could be a bigger defeat for the Democratic majority we really want--one that takes progressive action on behalf of the voters.

Because, as I see it, a bill without the competitive force of a public option, or the opportunity for millions to buy into Medicare, without cheaper pharmaceuticals or meaningful controls on premiums, without bans on benefit caps or loophole-free safeguards against rescission, but with an individual mandate, will do nothing for the 30 million uninsured that advocates of the bill like to talk about helping--but it will do plenty for the private insurance and pharmaceutical industries.

"Reid got sucker punched. And real reform is down for the count," John Nichols wrote at The Nation.

Quick Poll

Should Progressives Try To Kill The Senate Health Care Bill?

Yes. It's so compromised that it isn't reform anymore.

No. Something is still much better than nothing.

I'm not sure.


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The Senate health care bill is so compromised, some progressives argue, that it would be better to try to kill it than fight for its passage. In light of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's decision ...
The Senate health care bill is so compromised, some progressives argue, that it would be better to try to kill it than fight for its passage. In light of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's decision ...
 
 
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03:15 AM on 01/03/2010
I think those who convinced Democrats that Obama was a "liberaL" (when his record was plain for all to see) should be held accountable..you first, Arrianna.
11:29 PM on 01/02/2010
I have a brain tumor , and, my state just cut Medicaid in anticipation of the horrible bill...stop playing with peoples' lives and kill the bill.
08:54 AM on 12/19/2009
I just don't understand how some people could be so overjoyed at making the Health care insurance company's richer. The Health care insurance company's 'll get richer 'cause they'll be able to charge whatever premium price they want. EVERYBODY HAS TO BUY FROM THESE CROOKS. SCRAP THE MANDATE TO BUY INSURANCE.
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10:32 AM on 12/17/2009
Dean is correct and the current billshould be killed. In passing, Dean would be a better candidate than a passive Obama in 2012. Obama was elected to provide leadership and the best that he has been able to do is sit on his butt.
08:59 AM on 12/17/2009
I concur with Dean and next, let's draft Dean for a primary challenge in 2012.
08:23 AM on 12/17/2009
Thank you, Howard Dean. Keep up the good work. I want effective Health Care Reform ... not the piece of trash in the Senate right now. Come on Democrats - get tough and give us something that will help us.
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07:49 AM on 12/17/2009
Kill this bill. If I get cancer, the least I can do is die in pain at home instead of dying in pain in prison for not being able to pay the outrageous mandatory insurance bill. This is the worst possible outcome. Once insurance becomes mandatory, America will be completely at the mercy of the insurance companies. The insurance companies could simply quadruple the price and force us to pay it, and they could simply buy America, but not our debt, we have to pay that because afterall, Big Business should not have to pay their own welfare bills.
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06:00 AM on 12/17/2009
Governor Dean is the only sensible voice lately. His organizational skills were the reason the Democrats won a majority; the President should have appointed him to the cabinet. The Health Care Bill is a joke now. The compromises with insurance and drug companies, and the ridiculous pandering to Lieberman, show the Democrats to be unfit to lead, and I voted for them. And I'm deeply disappointed.
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jjgg5
03:26 AM on 12/17/2009
Dean is right. Kill it. Kill it dead.
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02:25 AM on 12/17/2009
Looking at the poll results that go with this article, it seems that an overwhelming majority of readers think that the Senate bill deserves a quick trip out of existence. I wonder how many people voted, and I wonder if Bernie Sanders has read this and might just consider taking the results of that poll to the Hill with him . . . ?
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01:40 AM on 12/17/2009
Here's an excellent, short diary written by a marketing industry insider at dailyKos entitled, " No One is Going to Save You Fools" that every dem should read in order to get a fuller, and/or more accurate picture of whats going on with Obama and the rest of the Dem "leadership."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/16/815429/-No-One-Is-Going-To-Save-You-Fools
09:20 AM on 12/17/2009
Thanks for the link. Progressives would be wise to heed the dailykos advice, but will they?
01:02 AM on 12/17/2009
I really like Gov Dean. I hope replaces Leahy when he retires, but he could not be more wrong on this.
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teapartydude
12:56 AM on 12/17/2009
Dean is right...as usual.

Kill bill.
12:29 AM on 12/17/2009
Howard Dean for President 2012!

Obama has shown zero leadership on healthcare, other than to cut secret deals up-front with the insurance industry and big pharma. He campaigned against Bush's surveillance state and today his DOJ defends these abuses at every turn. And don't even get me started on Afghanistan. We're building up forces there -- now that everyone agrees there are less than a couple hundred Al Qaeda there. Just like we went into Iraq when there weren't any Al Qaeda there.

We elected Obama for Change, and he interpreted this as a mandate for Compromise. I won't vote for him again.
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12:45 AM on 12/17/2009
I would gladly vote for Dean if he ran.
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02:21 AM on 12/17/2009
As for your concluding sentence, I concur utterly and unequivocally.

However, Dean should be scrutinized carefully. He's right on on this Senate bill--It's been compromised and twisted up into knots that will only benefit Big Money at the expense of the American public, and progressives should kill it and stop wasting the public's time and energy already--but, unless I'm not up-to-date (which may be the case) on his position re Obama's escalation in Afghanistan, he's a big war strategy supporter. Not good.
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08:55 AM on 12/17/2009
Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. I agree, Dean (or anyone you vote for) should be scrutinized carefully. But could he possibly be as bad as Obama has turned out to be on the Wall Street bailout, job creation, cleaning up the DOJ, DADT, prosecuting torturers and Karl Rove, and too many other things that I can't think of this early in the morning?

Even if he's unsuccessful, we've seen how serious primary opponents can affect what a politician does - just look at Sestak-Specter.

Oh yeah, I thought of one more thing - Dean would stand up to the "party of no" and remember which president and which party had a mandate!
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TaDa!
12:21 AM on 12/17/2009
Send it to Nancy for reconciliation...she knows how to get things right and done right.
11:31 PM on 01/02/2010
The House Bill is nothing to celebrate either....if I lived in her district, Id vote for Cindy Sheehan...Im sure as hell not voting for a Dem ever again.