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Labor Holds Emergency Meetings To Discuss Senate Bill, May Formally Oppose

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First Posted: 3/18/10 Updated: 5/25/11

Two of the country's largest labor groups, the SEIU and the AFL-CIO, are each holding emergency executive meetings today to discuss whether they should support the latest round of health care compromises made by Senate Democrats.

Though there's no official word yet, early indications based on talks with various officials are that the groups will either formally oppose the legislation or, less dramatically, just not fight very hard to ensure its passage.

Labor leaders are fuming at the concessions that Democratic leadership made in the last few days to win the support of the caucus's most conservative members, notably Sen. Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.). A bill that already included one highly objectionable provision (a tax on so-called Cadillac insurance plans) was stripped of a provision beloved by labor: a public alternative to private insurance coverage. Frustration boiled over even further after the leadership succumbed to Lieberman's demand to jettison even the compromise to the public option -- a proposal to expand Medicare to those as young as 55.

Together, the changes have spurred emotional internal debates about the approach labor should take to the Senate bill. Dennis Rivera, the Health Care Chair at the SEIU, was slated to appear at a Capitol Hill press conference on Wednesday to push for senators not to filibuster reform. He pulled out from the event, which was sponsored by the pro-reform group Families USA, because of uncertainty about the union's position.

"We just couldn't do it," said an SEIU official. "We haven't even seen the manager's amendment... At this point, we have to make the final decision about how to proceed. There is an emergency meeting tonight to figure that out."

The AFL-CIO, likewise, is hosting an executive council meeting to discuss the legislation. Richard Trumka, the president of the union conglomerate, has been one of the foremost champions of a public plan. And on Tuesday, one of his close allies, Leo Gerard, the president United Steelworkers Union, hinted that opposition to the bill is in the offing.

"I believe that the House [of Representatives] has got a good bill," Gerard told MSNBC's Ed Schultz. "Hopefully it is going to have to go to committee, we're going to fight like crazy to make sure that we get a good bill. I'm not prepared to give up. I want to fight and get a good bill out of this. The American people deserve this and President Obama, whose values are right, he deserves this."

Labor's stance could have big ramifications. Progressive Senate Democrats held their noses as the legislation was watered down at the behest of Lieberman and others. Off the Hill, however, former Democratic National Committee chair Howard Dean called for the current Senate proposal to be "killed" -- and others echoed his concerns.

The labor community has already poured massive resources into the health care debate. Now there is a growing concern that the money and time may have not been well spent. As one high-ranking labor official emailed the Huffington Post:

"What is really frustrating folks here is that it's impossible to make and implement plans to pressure senators when the White House and Reid keep undermining the efforts no one from the outside can put any credible pressure on Senators because they know the White House will back that Senator up whatever they do. If the White House is going to cave to a Senator who spent the entire election campaigning with McCain and calling Obama a traitor how are we supposed to have any leverage over anyone?

"If Lieberman -- who has done so many horrible things directly to Obama -- can get away with this on Obama's signature issue it makes it infinitely harder for us to pressure senators, on issues in the future, because there is no fear of retribution or coercion from the White House. They only pressure progressives, not anyone in the middle."

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Two of the country's largest labor groups, the SEIU and the AFL-CIO, are each holding emergency executive meetings today to discuss whether they should support the latest round of health care compromi...
Two of the country's largest labor groups, the SEIU and the AFL-CIO, are each holding emergency executive meetings today to discuss whether they should support the latest round of health care compromi...
 
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07:32 PM on 12/17/2009
Either Labor loudly and vigorously­, no-holds-b­arred opposes this despicable health care Bill or its leaders are simply Pavlov's dogs salivating to Pavlov Obama whenever he rings his bell. The labor leadership has presented real wage cuts to their members over decades in order to maintain barely adequate health care that included contributi­ons from the membership­. The coverage continuous­ly cost more and was less extensive. It rarely has decent coverage for mental, psychologi­cal or dental conditions­. But the workers for whom these leaders negotiated were willing to sacrifice tens of thousands of dollars each over the years to continue barely adequate coverage. If the infatuatio­n that the Labor leadership has for Obama and the Dermocrats prevents them from an all-out fight to defeat this Bill, possibly including a general strike because the taxing of the health care plans is theft of wages already sacrificed­, then they really are what their critics say -- ineffectua­l reprentati­ves out for themselves­. Labor should oppose all Democrats who vote for Obamacare or anything like it or who refuse to vote for EFCA. If we can't get results with 60 Democrats in the Senate and over 250 Democrats in the House and a supposed pro-Labor President, it's not worth supporting them or pushing to elect more of them.

Defeat Obamacare.
06:48 PM on 12/16/2009
seiu paid the pres $75 million in contributi­ons for him to do exactly what the union says. Who do the pres and dems think they are making a decision without consulting big union. The seiu, afl-cio and uaw though that they had been taken care of. The rest of the hardworkin­g taxpayer's were to pay for life time heath care benefits just for the union workers. Even though they make more in retirement than most working people will make. It's obvious that this pres and administra­tion has been bought by big union money and this is big business. Andy Stern has more personal meetings with the pres regarding heath care than anyone else. Not to hard to figure out why. It's just wrong and lib dems just seem to look the other way.
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bascombe
send the kids off to die, suck their country dry
08:31 PM on 12/16/2009
what a crock
04:53 PM on 12/16/2009
One thing not mentioned in the article is that many unions have underfunde­d retirement plans with really generous medical coverage. They were hoping to push retirees onto the public option, solving that problem. Now that the public option is gone, so is their support.
06:07 PM on 12/16/2009
Bingo! The House plan also has a $10 billion dollar handout to the unions, and it ensures that one of the requiremen­ts for many of the subsidies to health care providers is union membership­!
So, the unions had a deal to get a $10 billion dollar windfall, massive numbers of new union members, and a place to dump all of their aging members whose benefit packages are no longer solvent. SEIU and AFL-CIO literally helped write the House bill.
04:45 PM on 12/16/2009
As it looks, Obama just favored corporatio­ns and insurance companies and screwed over workers, unionized or non-union. They should lobby to kill the bill because they quality of coverage for their members is likely to decline if it passes. Unions worked incredibly hard to get Obama elected and he just sold them down the river. A stupid move for Barack and for senate Democrats in particular­.
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johnfromojai
04:43 PM on 12/16/2009
Kill BIll! Fire Lieberman, Bachus, Obama and everyone else who is on the payroll of the insurance companies. Hire Kucinich to return moral integrity to the system.
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julie1215
04:38 PM on 12/16/2009
If the Medicaid expansion is still in this bill, then I hope it passes.
06:34 PM on 12/16/2009
Totally! It's so weird that there is absolutely no news about that. The medicare expansion was sketchy with subsidies delayed for a few years. The public option would cover 1% of the population­. Medicaid is the big deal that covers millions. When I lived in Oregon, we had a state plan that was like $15/month for basic care. People could get their kids to the doctor. Medicaid covered it. I guess the real movers and shakers who want to talk about scrapping the bill because we don't get France's system next year don't have those kinds of problems.
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Ramirez
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04:13 PM on 12/16/2009
Let the unions complain all they want. It's all part of the plan.

Obama is playing chess while they are playing checkers.
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bascombe
send the kids off to die, suck their country dry
08:33 PM on 12/16/2009
so who is Obama coing to checkmate, if not the citizens, with the mandated premium payments to insurers?
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shriekingviolet
Blue Girl From A Red State
12:06 AM on 12/17/2009
Word. If we have to keep swallowing the idea that Obama is some master chess player who is playing in ways too smart for our understand­ing, it's time for us to start looking at who the spoils of such wins are really going to. Because it doesn't appear to be We the People. I find it impossible to believe that Obama both is as smart of a player as people proclaim to be AND that he's aiming to win in a way that works out in the best possible way for the American people. People can believe one of those tenants to be true, but it's ludicrous to think they both are. Not unless they're still holding onto the idea that he'll still somehow deliver nearly everything we've ripped from the bill (public option, anti-trust exemptions­, premium regulation­s, etc.). At which point I'll start hoping they're willing to share more of those awesome drugs they're taking.
04:12 PM on 12/16/2009
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Lieberman is to blame for killing the bill: http://www­.cavcomics­.com/rasko­l/?id=39
04:04 PM on 12/16/2009
The unions have been on the decline for ages: Obama is betting on the future...w­here the money is.
04:01 PM on 12/16/2009
no change, no peace!
03:57 PM on 12/16/2009
Obama said anyone who reads the bill will see its a good bill. Has he read it yet or he just wants to pass something for petes sakes.
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batmancw
Turn fear against those who prey on the fearful
05:43 PM on 12/16/2009
Of Course he hasn't read it, the thing is about 2000 pages, and is nowhere near a "final" consolidat­ed House & Senate Bill that he won't read either.
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Rolf618
They call me Mr. Fahrenheit.
03:57 PM on 12/16/2009
Good. If anything might scare the Dems into doing the right thing, its losing the support of unions. Still by far the best get out the vote organizati­ons the Dems have. Its long past time for us to let the Dems know they will pay a heavy price at the polls for abandoning their base and all the new voters in 08 that wanted real change.
03:56 PM on 12/16/2009
Do people realize there are mandates in this bill. Meaning u will be forced to buy the crappy insurance from aetna and the rest. Oh by the way there are no caps on premiums. This bill assumes that the more people get insured costs will naturally come down. Yeah. The insurance comnpanies can not deny u for pre-existi­ng conditions but guess what they will charge high premiums to cover for that and the millions of sickly people they have to insure they will find a way to cover for that too. K1LL the B1ll its a piece of crap. Obama just wants to claim history
06:36 PM on 12/16/2009
There are caps on premiums. Insurance companies can charge different rates for different levels of risk but there is a lifetime cap. Massachuse­tts had to make adjustment­s to their system early on to make sure low,low income people weren't being charged more than they could afford but once they did, everyone was fine.
03:46 PM on 12/16/2009
Tired of Betrayal ?

Register Green Party ...

A move they will pay attention to ...
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Rolf618
They call me Mr. Fahrenheit.
03:58 PM on 12/16/2009
Too bad the green party has never been able to elect a single person to national office
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jeanrenoir
05:23 PM on 12/16/2009
Exactly. The "progressi­ves" are so weak because everybody knows they have no votes to decide ANYTHING. Wish this were not the case, but the "progressi­ves" like to remain "pure" and sit around whining about how everyone else is "impure" and has "betrayed" the saintly "progressi­ves." It's all like the complete futility of the Rachel Maddow Show, on which Rachel and her viewers talk to all ten of each other every night, and congratula­te themselves for their irony and wit, while Fox has the majority of voters all wrapped up on the other channel. Obama did as good a job as possible of forging a winning majority last year for a center-lef­t politics. Until "progressi­ves" can actually come up with ideas that will win strong majority support from voters, they are simply wasting their time and typing.
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bascombe
send the kids off to die, suck their country dry
08:34 PM on 12/16/2009
not yet....
03:46 PM on 12/16/2009
the buck stops with obama... classic example of the peter principle.