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LED Traffic Lights That Can't Melt Snow Are Blamed In 1 Death, At Least 12 Accidents

DINESH RAMDE   12/15/09 08:41 PM ET   AP

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MILWAUKEE — Cities around the country that have installed energy-efficient traffic lights are discovering a hazardous downside: The bulbs don't burn hot enough to melt snow and can become crusted over in a storm – a problem blamed for dozens of accidents and at least one death.

"I've never had to put up with this in the past," said Duane Kassens, a driver from West Bend who got into a fender-bender recently because he couldn't see the lights. "The police officer told me the new lights weren't melting the snow. How is that safe?"

Many communities have switched to LED bulbs in their traffic lights because they use 90 percent less energy than the old incandescent variety, last far longer and save money. Their great advantage is also their drawback: They do not waste energy by producing heat.

Authorities in several states are testing possible solutions, including installing weather shields, adding heating elements like those used in airport runway lights, or coating the lights with water-repellent substances.

Short of some kind of technological fix, "as far as I'm aware, all that can be done is to have crews clean off the snow by hand," said Green Bay, Wis., police Lt. Jim Runge. "It's a bit labor-intensive."

In St. Paul, Minn., for example, city crews use air compressors to blow snow and ice off blocked lights.

Some communities began installing cool-burning LEDs more than a decade ago, and it wasn't long before drivers started complaining about the problem.

Illinois authorities said that during a storm in April, 34-year-old Lisa Richter could see she had a green light and began making a left turn. A driver coming from the opposite direction did not realize the stoplight was obscured by snow and plowed into Richter's vehicle, killing her.

"Would the accident have occurred if the lights had been clear? I would be willing to bet not," Oswego police Detective Rob Sherwood said.

Authorities said dozens of similar collisions have been reported in other cold-weather states, including Iowa and Minnesota.

Not every storm causes snow to stick to the lights, but when the wind is right and the snow is wet, drivers should beware, said Gary Fox, a traffic engineer for the city of Des Moines, Iowa.

Exactly how much a technological fix will cost is unclear, but it will surely cut into the savings and the energy efficiency many cities are enjoying.

Wisconsin, which has put LED bulbs at hundreds of intersections, saves about $750,000 per year in energy costs, said Dave Vieth of the state Transportation Department. LEDs installed seven years ago are still burning, while most incandescent bulbs have to be replaced every 12 to 18 months, he said.

"With LEDs we have energy savings in excess of 80 percent, and we don't have to have crews replacing them as often," Vieth said. "So it's clear the overall savings are pretty significant."

In Minnesota, where authorities have upgraded hundreds of traffic lights to LEDs, the Transportation Department occasionally gets reports of an obstructed light. But by the time a highway crew arrives, the wind has often knocked out the snow and ice, said traffic systems specialist Jerry Kotzenmacher. Minnesota is experimenting with weather shields.

One reason there have been so few deaths is that drivers know they should treat a traffic signal with obstructed lights as a stop sign, traffic experts say.

"It's the same as if the power is out," said Dave Hansen, a traffic engineer with the Green Bay Department of Public Works. "If there's any question, you err on the side of caution."

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Associated Press writers Patrick Condon in Minneapolis and Melanie Welte in Des Moines, Iowa, contributed to this report.

(This version CORRECTS corrects figures on Minnesota lights.)

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02:11 PM on 12/18/2009
Energy savings of $750K per year is more than offset by the cost of responding and litigating 15 crashes and 1 wrongful death. Root cause is the lack of heat is causing the light to not function properly. The government entity now knows the signals are not visible in weather events, which is an admission of liability. Ambulance chasing lawyers just need to sit at the intesections in a snow storm. Really poor engineering work to not notice that the lack of heat of an LED signal lamp could impact indicator visibility.
07:06 PM on 12/16/2009
There is an easy and cost effective solution to this problem that is fast and uncomplicated; therefore helping cities quickly respond to the problem and alleviate more potential hazards this winter season. The solution is a scoop visor, available through McCain Inc. (www.mccain-inc.com/traffic/item/signals/signal-visors.html). The scoop visor is specifically designed to help reduce snow deposits and build up on the face of LED traffic signals. It’s a simple and straightforward fix that allows cities to continue pursuing their eco-friendly goals of installing energy efficient LED’s, without jeopardizing the safety of their citizens.
10:53 AM on 12/16/2009
Must say it's very nice to read that some here see that the lights are not really at fault here. If you go into an intersection and see NO LIGHT - then you are demanded by the rules of the road (that you take a test to get a license for) to treat it as a 4-way stop . As mentioned in the article.

ESPECIALLY true for people who live in these types of areas. They are used to dealing with things that happen in bad weather - including power outages.

Do those of you who are blaming the lights also blame the power company when the power goes out due to bad weather?

As far as how many accidents have their been due to burned out original lights...I don't know, and it's very possible that there is actually maintenance that change them out every 12 months. Sure, there are the occasional light that is out...I used to see them all the time but haven't in years I admit...but again, everyone should know that if you don't see one of the colors of the light, then you STOP!

If you don't see green, yellow or red...that should tell you something is wrong and act accordingly. It's not rocket science.
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10:43 AM on 12/16/2009
Regular lights burn out. Occasionally there are power failures. When you come to an intersection, especially in inclimate weather, you approach and pass through with caution.


These light might be a contributing factor in some wrecks, but the largest factor is the drivers who think they own the road.
09:39 AM on 12/16/2009
What happens when the incandescent bulbs burn out (about once a year).
How many accidents happen then? I bet there are more.
10:21 AM on 12/16/2009
These are NOT accidents. They are crashes. One cannot proceed into a controlled intersection with a malfunctioning signal (ANY type of malfunction) and not expect to have a good chance of hitting something.
08:41 AM on 12/16/2009
It would have been easy to add a sensor that would recognize when temperatures went below the freezing point and then turn on some sort of heating element to keep the LED free from snow or ice.
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Steven Travis
Really, do you need one?
02:10 PM on 12/21/2009
Yup...sure would have been..

However don't assume that people that made this change even took this into account; I've learned over the years to not confuse maliciousness with ineptitude.
08:41 AM on 12/16/2009
Traffic Circles people. Their very design prohibits deadly collisions, and promote fuel effeciency when properly utilized. Write your local representative for traffic circles.
10:49 AM on 12/16/2009
Traffic circles are instruments of death, in which more accidents occur, more road rage occurs, and more deadly multi-vehicle accidents occur. Traffic Circles are abominations to good traffic flow, to good commute times, and when trapped in them, useless for arguments of fuel economy. It would be far more advantageous to simply encourage drivers not to use cell phones while driving, to keep their attention and senses on the road and the drivers around them, and tell them to simply use an abundance of caution, instead of promote schemes whereby drivers can keep putting on makeup, eating foods, and talking on cell phones.
11:01 AM on 12/16/2009
Bravo!

New law here in Austin - no more using your phone to text or anything after the first of the year. You cannot use it as your GPS unless mounted to your dash. You can get a ticket for changing your music on your MP3 player.

I assume it's already illegal to put on makeup - though when I first graduated from high school and had a 60 minute commute to go less than 20 miles, I did put my makeup on when in traffic! LOL!! That's living in the Bay Area for ya (California) But it was still wrong. I wouldn't have caused an accident - but I am sure I made many a driver mad by leaving too much space between the cars in front of me! HA!

But these traffic circles...not sure I know what that means. Like Columbus Circle in NYC? Gonna have to google...doesn't sound like a real alternative though. Sounds like that would take TRILIONS of dollars to "fix" every intersection in the entire country into a circle. And take up more land...and moving all of the businesses on all of those corners. I guess I could be wrong?
12:53 PM on 12/16/2009
Traffic circles are MUCH safer. Head on collisions are impossible. Side swipes, minor fender benders are the only accidents that occur.
08:26 AM on 12/16/2009
Here we go. Trying to be green now kiIIs you.
12:33 PM on 12/16/2009
No, failure to be a responsible and alert driver kills you. Note that multiple times in the article, it is stated that drivers are not recalling the basic rule 'if the way is not clear, slow down and make sure'. This is a simple rule, one of the basic principles of driving on shared roads, whether at intersections or straightaways, and to fault the lights for the drivers' bad or false assumptions is absurd. Personal responsibility is, and ought to be, a tenet of the Progressive thinker's way.
01:01 PM on 12/16/2009
Right on. Notice how even the headline "blames" the inanimate traffic signals rather than the autonomous but negligent drivers. The article also uses the word "accident" throughout, as if no one is able to connect cause (proceeding through a malfunctioning signal) with the effect (crash). It's the same Oopsie-Daisy philosophy that allows a national average of 42,000 traffic deaths annually to not be seen for the slow-motion public health disaster that it is.
07:51 AM on 12/16/2009
Perhaps the perfect heating element would be an incandescent bulb. They could shield it so it didn't interfere with the LED. Voila, problem solved.
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07:39 AM on 12/16/2009
Somewhere there is a capitalist who is laughing all the way to the bank. Probably looking over his shoulder and shouting "suckas!!"
07:35 AM on 12/16/2009
Five children get strangles by cords on living room blinds and the Consumer Product Safety Commission is all over the national news about a recall. That many children could die in one accident caused by these lights. But since this will cost money to the government instead of every individual household to fix there will be no sense of urgency.
12:40 PM on 12/16/2009
Nor should there be. The assumption that LED Lights in some magical way obviate responsibilities the drivers had under the older incandescent bulbs is asinine. The responsibility to visually and cognitively check and be assured that the way isclear is incumbent upon each driver. The experience drivers had with the old bulbs changes nothing about the behaviors they can anticipate with the new bulb style.

By contrast, putting shiny pulls or cords without weight-overload releases into the blinds is to incorporate a design flaw which clearly could not be anticipated by people with prior experience with blinds, prompting a recall. To assume it's 'bad government' is to say that the people are incapable of taking any personal responsibility and advocate a pure nanny state. I sure hope that such is not what you're advocating.
07:28 AM on 12/16/2009
That's unfortunate. It's understandable how that could be over looked though. There are problems inherent in every design, some are just more evident than others. It's impossible to test for every real world situation. And you can't really blame the traffic lights on the deaths. It's like blaming your GPS after you turn into a flower shop because it told you to turn now. I'm sure a redesign of the housing and maybe some treatment to the lens will cure the problem. In very cold climates, they could use a heater system that would monitor the surface of the light.
06:54 AM on 12/16/2009
Having nearly been hit by someone running a red light on at least two occasions, I never ever proceed through an intersection even when I have the right-of-way unless I look to see that it's safe to proceed.
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shthar
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06:42 AM on 12/16/2009
I can't believe this is happening.

They knew years ago that you can't use these anywhere that gets snow.

Any city that bought them and any company that sold them should be sued for damages and prosecuted for murder.

These people's lives were bought for what, a fat commission for the salesman and kickbacks to the mayors and city council.
06:35 AM on 12/16/2009
Lousy engineering.
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AudiGuy
There's something beyond one's self
07:37 AM on 12/16/2009
Wrong - LOUSY SPECIFICATIONS. The lights work as designed. If self clearing was not part of the spec how is lousy engineering? I know, I know engineers are suppose to design products based on the $tupidest people in the population.
07:54 AM on 12/16/2009
"I know, I know engineers are suppose to design products based on the $tupidest people in the population."

They weren't just replacing the type of light source and trying to save money. If one is an engineer, then one must think not only in terms of product design for the $tupidest people, but they must also through the entire process and anticipate problems.

So like I said: lousy engineering.
10:15 AM on 12/16/2009
And even poorer judgement on the part of the motor vehicle drivers that proceed through a signal they cannot see.