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Franken: Dems Unified Behind 'Historic' Health Reform Legislation

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:00 PM ET

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The Senate Democratic caucus is unified following a Saturday meeting and poised to pass a much-weakened health care reform proposal before Christmas day.

"The mood was great," said Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) of the party gathering earlier Saturday. "It was a very, very good mood, even [among] those of us who have disappointments about what is and isn't in."

Though it's far from what progressives and, according to surveys, most voters wanted in a final bill, Franken, in an interview with the Huffington Post, said that it's "an enormous step forward."

"I'm convinced this will pass. I believe we have the 60 votes," he said. Franken was encouraged that he and Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.) were able to insert into the final bill a provision that would require insurers, for individual and small group plans, to spend 80 percent of the money they take in on health care. Large plans would be required to spend 85 percent.

"This is something that a lot of states have tried unsuccessfully to put on medical loss rations and insurance companies fight them and they fight this for a reason. So I'm very, very happy with this. I think it's a big, big way to keep them in check," said Franken. "I think it's one of the biggest tools."

Insurers refer to spending on health care as a "medical loss." The medical loss ratio currently averages 70 percent across the nation. Minnesota law sets it at 91 percent.

The Congressional Budget Office, however, determined that the 90 percent requirement that Franken and Rockefeller had pushed for amounted to nationalization of the industry. The CBO didn't explain how it came to the seemingly arbitrary figure of 90 percent. Franken said he and Rockefeller met with the CBO chief Doug Elmendorf about his determination and came away uncertain of the reasoning. Elmendorf, who is not an elected official, deemed that 80 percent for small groups and 85 for large didn't amount to nationalization. In the American system of government, what Elmendorf says, goes, so regardless of the rationale, the bill includes the figures he dictated.

Beyond Elmendorf's weakening of the provision, it also includes a potentially gaping loophole.

The Health and Human Services Secretary, according to the bill's language, "may adjust the rates...if the Secretary determines appropriate on account of the volatility of the individual market due to the establishment of State Exchanges."

Franken said that the language was intended to created stability in the market so that if there are major fluctuations, insurers would have flexibility. An HHS secretary sympathetic to the industry, however, would have unilateral authority to effectively repeal the provision.

Overall, Franken said, his colleagues are happy with the bill. "All of us believe that we need to make basic reforms and that this does that," he said of the product. "It's an enormous step forward. It's something we can build on. Social Security passage was just widows and orphans." Social Security gradually expanded over time.

"I think it's a really important, really historic bill, but I'm just worried that we don't over-promise but at the same time we do tell them all the great things the bill has," said Franken.

The bill, as expected, does not include a public health insurance option or allow people aged 55-64 to buy into Medicare.

In order to win the vote of Nebraska Democrat Ben Nelson, the bill includes extreme restrictions on which private health insurance plans can cover abortion. It also picks up Nebraska's tab for expanded Medicaid coverage forever.

After moving in a more conservative direction for several days, the bill reverses course, ever so slightly, in some areas.

Reid's original bill had allowed for a cap, in some cases, in annual coverage by insurers. The new bill removes that allowance, meaning that insurers can not place limits on the amount of coverage they provide, either over the course of one year or over a person's lifetime.

The bill raises revenue by taxing indoor tanning salons, which are associated with health risks. It also increases the Medicare payroll tax by 0.9 points for individuals making more than $200,000 per year and married couples earning above $250,000.

A mandate that all Americans without coverage purchase health insurance remained in the bill and the fine for those who don't do so was increased. There is an exemption for folks who can prove they can't afford to buy insurance. As a candidate, Obama attacked his rival Hillary Clinton for proposing such a mandate.

Obama also attacked his general election opponent, Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), for proposing a tax on high-cost insurance plans. The Senate bill includes just such a tax, with Obama's endorsement.

According to the CBO, the new version will provide coverage to 94 percent of Americans - though many of them will have it "provided" to them by force of a mandate. It'll also reduce the deficit by $132 billion over 10 years and 1.3 trillion over 20 years.

In place of a public option, people will have access to two national private plans, one of them nonprofit, overseen by the Office of Personnel Management, which is in charge of federal employee plans.

The bill includes strong insurance reforms that prevent companies from denying coverage due to pre-existing conditions or from dropping people simply because they get sick - a practice known as rescission. But serious questions remain as to how enforceable those provisions will be.

California recently dropped an attempt to enforce its anti-rescission law against a major insurer, saying that it was financially outgunned by the insurer's legal team.

The rescission law, according to the legislation, "shall not apply to a covered individual who has performed an act or practice that constitutes fraud or makes an intentional misrepresentation of material fact as prohibited by the terms of the plan or coverage."

Insurers today routinely claim that patients engaged in "fraud" or "intentional misrepresentation" when dropping them from coverage. Much depends on who defines the terms in the bill.

It won't be the federal government. There will be no federal agency tasked with overseeing the enforcement of the bill's rules. Rather, a Senate leadership aide told reporters in a briefing Saturday, individual states will police the new system.

That's a task the California Department of Managed Health Care was unable to perform when battling Anthem Blue Cross, which has rescinded 1,770 policies since 2004.

"In each and every one of those rescissions, [Blue Cross has] the right to contest each, and that could tie us up in court forever," the department's director, Cindy Ehnes, told The Associated Press. A million-dollar fine was announced in March 2007, but has not been enforced.

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08:37 PM on 12/21/2009
Al,
Hey, I know your the new guy on the block, and I'm sure that you thirst to do well in your new position. So, here's a clue: Do not drink the kool Aid!
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02:26 PM on 12/21/2009
The problem appears to be that there i no enforcement mechanism. This is something I was worried about as soon as they started talking about percentages and how those percentages were going to cut down on costs. I posted then that I thought the insurers would find ways of redefining terns in order to get around the requirements. Now it looks the insurers will be able to do whatever they can get away with as long as the states do not have the money to track them down and prosecute them.

In effect the insurance companies have dodged a huge bullet here they have prevented the federal government from instituting a real set of strong policies and instituting a bureaucracy to track what they are doing after the bill is finally passed. This is the worst of the bills now evidently fewer flaws.
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12:34 PM on 12/21/2009
I find myself torn.
Some people like Robert Reich and Dennis Kucinich say it's a big giveaway to the insurance industries.
That the insurance industry itself couldn't have written anything more to their advantage.
Yet, I do have enormous respect for people like Al Franken... who are saying that what we want might be more possible (in time) with this legislation as at the very least, a first step.
And it doesn't sit well almost siding with the psycho teabagging cristofascists who want it fail for almost incomprehensible reasons.
I have taken every contact that I could with every politician and political group possible to try to get a 'public option' in this thing.
And, in the past I'd done my time going door to door trying to sell the idea of universal health insurance... at times in depressing situations...like in middle class neighborhoods where the empathy for those without was nearly completely non existent.
It's the final version that's going to count.
If it includes an amendment that prohibits abortion funding (even through private premiums) then this bill must die its ignoble death.
But for the rest... it's seems a bit beyond really knowing how this is going to turn out in the long run.
Then I can only hope Franken is right.
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12:58 AM on 12/21/2009
Contract Law 101:

ALL parties must be of sound mind and legal age of consent to enter into contracts.

No one can be compelled to enter into a contract for any reason by anyone.

Compelling a party to enter into a contract voids the contract.

Good-bye mandates.

And, good riddance.
10:57 AM on 12/21/2009
So I don't have to buy car insurance! Awesome. Thanks for the legal advice!
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clearthinker2008
we need to respect each other
11:59 AM on 12/21/2009
I sure it doesn't escape you that you have the choice of owning or not owning a car so you aren't force into anything.
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10:38 PM on 12/20/2009
I am very disappointed in Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.). Him of all people. Just shows that money talks, and us with no money get the shaft.
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clearthinker2008
we need to respect each other
12:00 PM on 12/21/2009
Please explain.
09:53 PM on 12/20/2009
A goal...if not THE goal... of health care "reform" is to Get Private Insurers OUT so that they will not have the power to influence so much regulation of industries that do so much harm to our health and our assets...not to mention harms to our vital environment.

This can be thought of as a part of Climate Change matters...in that for-profit health [sic] insurers invest heavily in fossil fuels and coal mining and gas and chlorine and all the rest of the climate damaging industries. That people will be FORCED to patronize such entities, and to thereby contribute massive funding to such investments, is....incomprehensible and outrageous.

As for the non-profits which cannot have investments...they fund (with what was our supposed health care money) political campaigns for candidates that do not necessarily oppose the polluting industries, or that may well be in their pockets. The non-profits may well fund massive lobbying for legislation designed to remove public oversight (OUR oversight) of all sorts of private industries...including the climate changers.

Before anyone signs a contract with either a non-profit or a for-profit insurer, be sure to be Fully Informed about Where The Money Goes. If it goes to entities that are harmful to your or your family's interests, do not sign.
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12:49 AM on 12/21/2009
No one can be forced to sign a contract and need no reason for refusing to sign a contract.

Barack Obama and his cronies are little more than gangsters.

They have no such authority to require people to buy anything or enter into contracts with anyone for any purpose.
09:26 PM on 12/20/2009
I'm aware that this bill does not have 1. Single-payer, 2. Public option, 3. Medicare buy-in.
As for 1, however, Single-payer has NEVER been politically popular in this country. Period. No Gallup or Daily Kos poll shows wide support for single-payer.
I support Single-Payer, but there's a lot of misconceptions about it among most Americans, and that's unfortunate, but the reality.

As for 2 and 3....both are popular with the public, so yes, you can blame President Obama for not pressing those fronts, since polls DO show support for the public option and Medicare buy-in, meaning President Obama would have improved the bill and backed Republicans into a corner by loudly supporting those two politically popular policy ideas.

Still, despite the missed opportunity for the public option and Medicare buy-in, this is a bill that WILL help people. If you'd rather kill the bill than let it be enacted and start helping people, I'm afraid you've lost sight of the main goal of healthcare reform.
09:51 PM on 12/20/2009
No, I'm afraid you have. The original goal was universal health care, not care for some while everyone else is mandated to foot the bill to an industry completely left unsupervised. This is nonsense.
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12:51 AM on 12/21/2009
Yep, the bill will help democrats and their fellow gangsters in the insurance industry.

Well, it would except the US Supreme Court is going to rule mandates are unconstitutional.

I suppose Obama and his gangster associates will have to find another method to steal people's money.
09:25 PM on 12/20/2009
1. The bill bans insurance company abusive policies, such as denying people for having pre-existing conditions..
2. The bill expands Medicaid to cover more of the working poor.
3. The bill mandates all people buy insurance, and will give a person subsidies to help afford it if he can't afford it. This means:
I. People who are too poor to afford insurance yet too "rich" to qualify for Medicaid will get real assistance in affording coverage (hundreds of billions-worth of assistance over 10 years).
II. Young and healthy Americans who could afford insurance will not be allowed to not get insurance, then, when they get sick, show up in ERs, and get care they can't afford, which those of us with insurance end up paying for - WE pay for their treatment if they can't, through higher hospital charges.
4. This bill mandates that all insurance companies must spend 80 to 85% of their revenue on their beneficiaries' healthcare, up from 70%. I'd prefer over 90% (with about 5% being administrative costs like Medicare), but 85% is a HUGE improvement.
5. This bill pays for itself through Medicare cuts and Medicare tax increases on people earning more than $250,000 (both of which NEED to happen - I don't care about your political views, Medicare is cruising for insolvency that can only be stopped through spending cuts and tax increases.)
kdp59
small business owner
10:07 PM on 12/20/2009
OK...let me explain this again boys and girls.....

there is NO employer mandate in this bill.

there IS a personal mandate in this bill.

YOU (mr & Mrs. Middle Class) are soon to get a BIG surprise handed to you. It'll be a monthly bill of a bout $400 for individual and $1100 for family coverage.

The politico's on both sides are all wanting to get health insurance away from Business. It'll allow US to compete better with all those other nations that have socialized healthcare systems.

so instead of 173 MILLION amercians having thier employer subisdize health coverag the politicos tell you that the "government " will now instead. Well they will in 3-4 years anyway....and if the money is really there....and if the defecit isn;t too high then....or if the republican have taken power in 2010 and gut the subisdies...or if some other unforseen thing doesn't happen.


This health insuranace refrom bill, will end being the BIGGEST cost shift form business to the Middle/working class in any of our lifetimes...and it's not even being talked about in the media anywhere.

amazing!!
kdp59
small business owner
10:36 PM on 12/20/2009
just a quick note to show you how the so called subsidies are a scam.

lets say there are 30 million people who are now forced to buy insurance because of the "personal mandate".

the average cost of private health insurance THIS year is about $400/month.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/health/2009-09-15-insurance-costs_N.htm


So for the subsidie on 30 Million people to pay HALF the cost or $200/month it would be:

200x12 month= $2400/ year.

$2400 X 30,000,000 = $72,000,000,000

That is $72 BILLION /year to pay HALF the cost.

now $72 Billion X 10 years = $720 Billion.

add in just the Medicare cuts at what $450 BIllion and you ahve a bill that is around $1.17 TRILLION over 10 years.

yet this bill is less than $900 Billion.

what doesn't add up you ask?

oh yeah...the subsidies don't kick in for the first 4-5 years.

so what happerns if......

A) more than 30 million people need subsidies?

B) the funding in the bill doesn't meet the needs of the subsidies?


and the answer is....you will be on your own paying $400/month to private health companies for insurance for you OR paying $1100/month for a family plan.

but you can't be denied coverage..or dropped (well as long as you can pay that bill).
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Be Yourself. Everyone Else Is Taken
08:50 PM on 12/20/2009
CEOs off the misery of millions of Americans.

"United Health, William McGuire $342 mil
Forest Labs, Solomon $295 mil
Caremark Rx, Edwin Crawford $93.6 mil
Abbott Lab, Miles White $25.8 mil
Aetna, John Rowe $57.8 mil
Amgen, Kevin Sharer, $59.5 mil
Bectin-Dickinson, Edwin Ludwig, $18 mil
Boston Scientific $45 mil
Cardinal Health, James Tobin, $33.5 mil
Cigna, Edward Hanway, $62.8 mil
Genzyme, Henri Termeer, $60.7 mil"

How many claims and reimbursements refused and patients were dropped for these billions?”
10:20 AM on 02/09/2010
Are the figures quoted about earnings or gross wealth?
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cadawa
06:12 PM on 12/20/2009
That's a lie. Neither the Senate or the House bill are anything to build on. Even if it were, the Democrats have never fixed any bad bill they have passed.
It is a mandate to rob Americans and give the money to corporate health care industries; the same industries that have America's health care profiles to the bottom of the heap of developed nations. The same industries that let 20000 Americans die each year to beef their bottom line.
Even IF the Democrats finally wake up and try and fix the mess they've made, the industries will use taxpayers dollars to fight you every step of the way: the dollars you gave them against our will.
09:58 PM on 12/20/2009
Right! Exactly! We'll actually be paying them to screw us over. Brilliant Democrats, Brilliant!
05:59 PM on 12/20/2009
Some things one might want to adjust or insist upon when compelled, by law, to speak to private health insurers;
A) Insurer may not use any of ones premium money to invest in businesses that customer opposes for political, moral, religious, or personal business reasons.

B Insurer may not, by law, invest in any health-damaging industry (pesticides, nukes, weapons, fossil fuels, non-organic cigarette producers, genetically-engineered "foods", mountaintop-removal mining, etc.) because of the inherent conflicts of interest.

C) Insurer may not invest any of ones ostensible health care money in any pharmaceutical or other health care industry as that too creates an unacceptable conflict-of-interest.

D) Insurer may not use any of customer's premium money for non-health-related purposes such as advertising and PR, CEO bonuses, trade conventions, corporate jets, or upkeep at lush corporate headquarters.

E) Insurer may not use a penny of ones premium money to fund lobbying for legislation the customer opposes.

F) And...Insurer may not use any of customer's premium money to fund political candidates the customer opposes. (Doesn't that violate existing Voting and Election law in any case?)

Sen. Franken is advised to quickly insert an amendment that allows citizens, in their contracts with insurers, to refuse to pay for those non-health-related things (for which no Public Interest justification exists).
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12:55 AM on 12/21/2009
A person can NOT be "compelled by law" to enter into a contract with anyone for any purpose.

A contract is an agreement between two or more CONSENTING parties.

Compelling someone to sign a contract voids the contract.

If Harvard considers Barack Obama to be a constitutional lawyer, their law school should be decertified. He isn't much of a lawyer of any kind. He is a gangster.
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ManwithaParachute
Not Seeking Your Approval
03:09 AM on 12/21/2009
A gangster for the Banksters.
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Finally an honest politician! ELIZABETH WARREN!
04:26 PM on 12/20/2009
"The bill includes strong insurance reforms that prevent companies from denying coverage due to pre-existing conditions or from dropping people simply because they get sick - a practice known as rescission. But serious questions remain as to how enforceable those provisions will be.
California recently dropped an attempt to enforce its anti-rescission law against a major insurer, saying that it was financially outgunned by the insurer's legal team.
The rescission law, according to the legislation, "shall not apply to a covered individual who has performed an act or practice that constitutes fraud or makes an intentional misrepresentation of material fact as prohibited by the terms of the plan or coverage." "

Talk about double-speak. What facts could an individual "misrepresent"? If mandates are required for everyone to protect the insurance companies, what "facts" would void their responsibilities? That he/she had acne as a teenager? That ancient family history revealed an uncle with alcoholism? Wouldn't they still be covered? Why would it matter? Isn't this why we are being "mandated"?

If mandates are required from enough healthy, profitable people to insure enough profits to cover others with pre-existing conditions, why would the premiums for the chronically ill still be more expensive? Isn't this why we are being "mandated"
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05:24 PM on 12/20/2009
Congress has all the authority they need right now to regulate insurance companies. They did not need a "historic" bill to gain that authority.

The ONLY purpose for this scam is to force people to buy insurance.

In case no one noticed, our largest industry is currently the service industry. Which typically provides few, if any benefits, primarily insurance. Insurance companies want to recoup those losses by requiring minimum wage workers to BUY insurance.

There is no attempt to reform anything since Congress already had that regulatory authority.

It is a criminal conspiracy by the Democrats & insurance companies.
09:59 PM on 12/20/2009
Sadly, we are in total agreement
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ReElectNoOne
02:53 PM on 12/20/2009
"A mandate... There is an exemption for folks who can prove they can't afford to buy insurance."

Since there is a fine or penalty for NOT buying insurance the burden of proof MUST lie on the government to prove you can't afford to pay, not on the consumer to prove it. This would go along with our constitutional right to due process when the government tries to levy a fine or other penalty. Just another can of worms such as has become typical of Congress these days.

"No person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law."

This "mandate" will also run afoul of our legal rights in contracts or agreements. What if I were to propose an amendment to a health plan contract and the insurance company refuses? Today I have the right to refuse to sign if we don't reach a mutual agreement. That is the basis of contract law. This "mandate" would seem to cripple citizens rights to negotiate contracts or refuse to sign one that does not meet their desires or needs. Forcing anyone to sign a contract to pay for services when the right to negotiate that contract is prohibited faces some interesting court challenges.

I suspect they just don't care because they have been bought and paid for by big insurance. Want to buy your own politician just for laughs? http://thingsithinkabout.info/buypoliticians.html
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04:43 PM on 12/20/2009
I agree with you.

What Congress is attempting to do is called a "bill of attainder" and was ruled unconstitutional as recent as 1946.

Congress cannot impose penalties on anyone for refusing to buy insurance.
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lynettema
Little old lady
01:19 PM on 12/20/2009
All the doubters need to read the article in HP by Jacob Hacker who invented the 'public option.' He says this bill should be passed and tells us why. Hopefully he will hold some sway over the far left who have every right to be angry, but need to understand how our Constitution/government works. Then you throw in the crazy politics we are experiencing......................
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Artemis34
"Women 4 the GOP" is like "Chickens 4 the KFC"
04:32 PM on 12/20/2009
I don't think it is a "far left" concept to think that health care is a fundamental human right (see UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights) and that all Americans should have real access.

It is also not "far left" to distrust the private health insurance industry, they have done everything to EARN our distrust.
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Artemis34
"Women 4 the GOP" is like "Chickens 4 the KFC"
05:02 PM on 12/20/2009
Okay, just read Jacob Hacker's story.

He says "Progressives have good reason to be angry. Yet we should harness our anger to fix the bill--now and every year from now."

59% of Americans favor a public option. I'd hardly define 59% of Americans the "far left" and Hacker doesn't either.
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12:48 PM on 12/20/2009
In 1964, despite MASSIVE public opposition, LBJ & the Dems railroaded the Civil Rights Act through Congress and LBJ signed it into law. Coincidentally, like BHO & the Dems are now invoking the Kennedy name as if that justifies going against public opinion, LBJ & the Dems invoked JFK's name when they ignored public opposition.

That single act relegated Democrats to the permanent minority party status.

BHO & the Dems are following in LBJ's footsteps.

Dems must love being the minority party since they work so hard to achieve that goal.

They have succeeded.
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02:17 PM on 12/20/2009
Does this mean that you are telling us that you are against civil rights?
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04:45 PM on 12/20/2009
I am definitely opposed to the way it was imposed.

I do not share the view the federal gov't has the authority to tell people who they must cater to.
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ReElectNoOne
02:55 PM on 12/20/2009
Minority party?

Were you asleep all through the last 3 years?
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04:46 PM on 12/20/2009
Cowboy George is the worst president in US history.

It is hardly validation of the Democratic party to be elected when the opposition party is the worst party in history.