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New Civilian Deaths Roil Afghans

Afghan Protest Splash

First Posted: 03/18/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:10 PM ET

(AP) KABUL - Thousands of Afghans shouting "Death to America!" protested the killings of children Thursday, the latest in a string of controversial cases in which international forces have been blamed for civilian deaths.

U.S. Gen. Stanley McChrystal has ordered troops to use airstrikes judiciously and fire cautiously to reduce civilian casualties. Still, each new report of civilians killed unleashes raw emotions that highlight a growing impatience with coalition forces' inability to secure the nation.

There are fears the problem could get worse with 37,000 U.S. and NATO reinforcements already starting to stream into the country as part of a military buildup.

More civilians die at the hands of insurgents, yet any time innocent victims are killed, the Taliban wastes no time in blaming foreign troops.

"Every time the Taliban kills civilians, nothing happens. There is no protest. There is nothing," said Hroon Mir, an independent political analyst in Kabul. "But whenever there are civilian casualties from NATO or Afghan forces, then there is a reaction."

President Hamid Karzai has not been shy about denouncing the deaths -- sometimes even before investigations can conclude whether civilians or militants were killed.

In a meeting this week with political analysts, Karzai said he would speak out boldly on the issue at a conference on Afghanistan Jan. 28 in London.

"If you don't care about civilian casualties, you should not think about victory," Karzai said he would tell the international community, according to Waheed Mozhdah, independent political analyst in Kabul who attended the meeting.

The U.N. reports that 2,021 civilians were killed in the first 10 months of last year, the latest figures available. Of the total, nearly 1,400 were blamed on insurgents and 465 on U.S. and other pro-government forces, the U.N. said.

NATO, which also tracks civilian deaths, said that international forces caused 190 civilian deaths last year and wounded 344 noncombatants. In contrast, NATO reported that insurgents were responsible for 1,011 civilian deaths and that militants wounded 2,407.

Last year, U.S. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the commanding officer in Afghanistan, issued a new set of orders aimed at minimizing civilian casualties. He said that while it entailed risks to coalition forces, alienating the Afghan population was a far greater risk. Daily operational updates issued by the coalition often conclude with, "No Afghan civilians were harmed in any of these operations."

But the precise death toll often matters less than the Afghan public's perception.

In his final briefing to the U.N. Security Council as head of the U.N. mission in Afghanistan, Kai Eide said Wednesday that civilian casualties give the Taliban a recruitment tool.

"In the Afghan context, what affects one individual in a village affects all," he said. "I am pleased to see the efforts of Gen. McChrystal to reduce such incidents and demonstrate greater respect for Afghan sensitivities. The military surge will make this challenge even more difficult."

On Wednesday, an explosion tore through a group of children gathered around foreign soldiers visiting a U.S.-funded road project in Nangarhar province, east of the capital of Kabul. Afghan officials said four children were killed. NATO said two died.

Minutes after the blast, local residents were accusing American forces of throwing a grenade into the crowd -- even though several international troops were among the wounded. The Afghan Interior Ministry later released a statement saying the explosion occurred when a passing police vehicle hit a mine.

Still, an estimated 5,000 protesters demonstrated the deaths Thursday along a road between Kabul and Jalalabad in Nangarhar. They waved a banner condemning the attack, set fire to an effigy of President Barack Obama and chanted "Long live Islam!" and "Death to Obama!"

"We are shouting 'Death to America' and 'to the Afghan government,'" Sardar Wali, a university student at the demonstration. "It is the responsibility of the Afghan government to find and hand over the people who are responsible for this attack."

The Afghan Taliban had a statement of its own Thursday that asked who killed "school students, the adolescents in Narang district of Kunar province, nearly one week ago?"

The insurgents were referring to an incident late last month when the Afghan government and foreign military officials sparred over reports that 10 civilians died during a military operation in a remote area of Kunar in eastern Afghanistan.

Karzai expressed anger over the deaths, saying the victims included eight young students. He appointed a team to visit the province to investigate the deaths, which prompted hundreds of Afghans to protest and chant "death" to America.

The investigative team reported that eight students between the ages of 12 and 14 were among the dead discovered in a village house. NATO said that while it had no direct evidence to substantiate claims that civilians were killed, the international force had requested and welcomed a joint investigation to reach an "impartial and accurate determination" of what happened in the attack.

The incident in Kunar was the most serious allegation of accidental killings of civilians by Western forces since early December, when Afghan officials said 12 civilians were killed in an airstrike in neighboring Laghman province. NATO initially said no civilians were killed or injured, but days later, Lt. Gen. David Rodriguez, second-in-command to McChrystal, acknowledged that an alliance-led attack might have resulted in civilian deaths. An investigation continues into the incident, which prompted about 400 people to march in Mehtar Lam to protest the raid.

In other incidents last month, Afghan officials reported that an airstrike in late December by international forces in the southern Afghan province of Helmand killed seven civilians, two Taliban and wounded another civilian. NATO has said it is aware of the report and is investigating.

Also last month, Karzai met at the presidential palace with representatives from Paktia province who denounced the alleged killing of three civilians in the eastern province in December.

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Associated Press Writer Amir Shah contributed to this report from Kabul.

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05:45 AM on 01/10/2010
I want to find solidarity with other US citizens and stop this. However, I don't know how other people feel about what we can do to stop this:

What would you willing to do to stop this?

Would you be willing to protest in the streets?

Would you withhold patronage to corporations related to US military activity.

Would you withhold support of an elected official that supports our current actions in Afghanistan/Pakistan/Iraq?

What is the most extreme action you are willing to take to stop this?

What is the minimum action you are willing to take to stop this?

We can stop this if we organize and listen to each other and find the best strategy to end these actions.
02:08 PM on 01/11/2010
Best way to get protest this conflict: quit your job and become a net revenue loss for the government. No matter how much you protest, if you are paying taxes then you are supporting these wars.
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ProfessorDuh
04:40 PM on 01/09/2010
Never fear. Our Mideast occupations will end just as soon as the Chinese stop loaning us the trillions to sustain them. And then, American memories being what they are, we will instantly forget they ever happened.
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Balzac
01:43 AM on 01/09/2010
The rules of engagement need to be changed. More politics, stricter restraint on force, less exposure.
03:35 AM on 01/09/2010
I hope this is sarcasm... otherwise you're talking about how the U.S.A. fought in Vietnam. Yup, Vietnam was technically a "limited" war. I'm sure that's a big consolation to the 2 million-plus Vietnamese who were killed.

“War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.”
- William Tecumseh Sherman
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ProfessorDuh
04:38 PM on 01/09/2010
Yes. Why not just nuke the country, and Pakistan too, to stop the 120 members of Al Qaeda against whom the Pentagon is somehow powerless? Everything about this "war" that isn't sickeningly tragic is utterly ridiculous.
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Donns
01:37 AM on 01/09/2010
Aren't these people supposed to be throwing Rose Petals at us for saving them? Maybe that was the Iraqis, I forget who Cheney had planned to have truck loads of Flowers delivered to so they could show their appreciation to us.
01:18 AM on 01/09/2010
All those kids AQ and Taliban kill!! Protest that
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JDM73
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12:45 AM on 01/09/2010
We don't have to be in Afghanistan. There's no REASON to be there, except that the military-industrial complex benefits from it financially.
12:36 AM on 01/09/2010
They should be angry at Al Quedia for killing hundred and thousand of muslims..
12:51 AM on 01/09/2010
Barbara, they are very angry and they are also angry at the Pakistani and the US media who have been ignoring the crimes of the talibans and focussing on the drone attacks...by they i mean people who actually live in the tribal areas. Please read this: http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/dawn-content-library/dawn/the-newspaper/columnists/irfan-husain-howling-at-the-moon-910
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Donns
01:32 AM on 01/09/2010
They are angry at everybody who is killing their children.
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dollbaby
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11:46 PM on 01/08/2010
I understand the pain they feel over the death of an innocent child. If it was indeed a rode side bomb than I doubt it was placed by americans. However, as we are blamed more young men will turn to the Taliban. As a people, I wonder if they can understand the fear and pain we Americans feel when the World Trade Center was hit or when militants who run much of their country plot to kill innocent Americans on airplanes.
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Littlewords
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11:44 PM on 01/08/2010
Far from winning hearts and minds, we are inciting r@ge and plenty of soon to come retributi0n.
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Littlewords
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11:42 PM on 01/08/2010
From the article....
"Every time the Taliban kills civilians, nothing happens. There is no protest. There is nothing," said Hroon Mir, an independent political analyst in Kabul. "But whenever there are civilian casualties from NATO or Afghan forces, then there is a reaction."

No one said the world is fair. It is amazing that NATO forces, after 8 years are finally realizing the reality of the Afghan situation.
serena1313
Condemnation w/o investigation is hgt of ignorance
11:26 PM on 01/08/2010
Let's not forget that Bush asked the Taliban to turn over bin-Ladin which they agreed to do, but needed proof first. Since there wasn't any the Taliban refused to go along.

So Bush took us to war. Whether it was to exact punishment on the Taliban for not handing over bin-Ladin we'll never know.

But ... what I do know is that each person we kill 2 or more terrorists are born and that war is perverse and despicable.

This needs to end now but if not now, when? How many more must die for something they had nothing to do with?
11:05 PM on 01/08/2010
How many Afghani kids have the Taliban killed, how many Afghani schoolgirls have they mutilated with acid to keep them from becoming educated?

I think we should withdraw, but still, let's have some reality here.
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skialethia
αω vs military might
11:26 PM on 01/08/2010
I don't want my tax dollars going to fund the sla ughter of babies!
03:38 AM on 01/09/2010
Then quit your job. Otherwise, you are paying income tax and supporting what you decry.
Viper
Former repub, still repenting
03:37 AM on 01/09/2010
The problem is these are civil wars for the most part... as Vietnam was... The reaction to outsiders is always more extreme and seems to ignite /make matters worse.. And yes the killing on all sides in these civil wars is brutal. Wish it was nort so.

Our Civil War was anything but civil.

WW there are less than 5,000 AQ that we are actually at war with... We seem to be trying to kill flies with a sledge hammer.

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11:03 PM on 01/08/2010
Part III

And in the process, thousands of our young men and women come home in body bags, and their families are shattered and affected forever.

We just never learn......
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10:59 PM on 01/08/2010
Part II

9. Finally, the people begin to tire of this _insanity, come to their senses, so the protests begin and the public pressure to end the _war mounts.

10. We finally see the futility of our actions and begin to pull out, completing the task in a couple of years so to "evacuate" our personnel "safely".

11. The "enemy" then fills the vacuum and begins to _disembowel the army we "supposedly" trained and armed, and the country disintegrates.

12.. Out of guilt, we evacuate the puppet and his regime, since if they stay, they will face _firing _squads.

13.. The evacuated government then lives a life of exile and luxury in Paris.

14.. We lay low for 20 or 30 years, then begiin looking around. Hmmmmmm........

And all the while, we take the lives of countless innocent citizens caught in the _crossfire, giving them the treatment we said the "enemy" was doing in the first place.

As George Carlin so correctly said, we just can't stop waving our _dicks.

And the MIC makes tons of profits.

That's how it is in the Land of the Free, The Home of the Brave.
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10:58 PM on 01/08/2010
Part I

We're doing nothing different than what we did in SE Asia. We even use the same formula.

Here is the US formula for the cycle of_war in 14 Easy Steps:

1. Begin by telling the people about the plight of people who are _dying to be free, to have democracy, to have human rights, to have equality, to live life in the pursuit of happiness.

2. Find a puppet we can put in charge so the world won't think we are imperialists.

3. Fight the _insurgents. Funny, we call them the _insurgents, but in reality we're supporting the _insurgents, the puppet government none of the citizens support.

4. We send advisory personnel over there to "train" the _army of the puppet government we prop up.

5. Things begin to get out of hand, so we have to send a few thousand troops over there to support them.

6. Things continue to go against us, as the army we supposedly trained can't tie their own shoelaces.

7. So, we _ESCALATE. We send tens of thousands of troops over there, since we want to protect the ones already there and we want to eventually evacuate them safely.

8. We _bomb the bejeesus out of the "_enemy", who in reality the population supports. Funny, it doesn't seem to be doing any good. What's the matter with this? So we drop more _bombs.