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Proposition 8: Groundbreaking Gay Marriage Trial Starts In California

Proposition Trial

LISA LEFF   01/11/10 07:24 AM ET   AP

SAN FRANCISCO — The first federal trial to determine if the U.S. Constitution prohibits states from outlawing same-sex marriage gets under way Monday, and the two gay couples on whose behalf the case was brought will be among the first witnesses.

The proceedings, which are expected to last two to three weeks, involve a challenge to Proposition 8, the gay marriage ban approved by California voters in November 2008.

Regardless of the outcome, the case is likely to be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, where it ultimately could become a landmark that determines if gay Americans have the right to marry.

The judge who will render a decision, Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn R. Walker, has asked lawyers arguing for and against the ban to present the facts underlying much of the political rhetoric surrounding same-sex marriage. Among the questions Walker plans to entertain are whether sexual orientation can be changed, how legalizing gay marriage affects traditional marriages and the effect on children of being raised by two mothers or two fathers.

"The case is intriguing, exciting and potentially very significant because it addresses multiple important questions that, surprisingly to many, remain open in federal law," said Jennifer Pizer, marriage director for the gay law advocacy group Lambda Legal. "Can the state reserve the esteemed language and status of marriage just for heterosexual couples, and relegate same-sex couples to a lesser status? Are there any adequate public interests to justify reimposing such a caste system for gay people, especially by a majority vote to take a cherished right from a historically mistreated minority?"

The sponsors of Proposition 8, which passed with 52 percent of the vote, won permission to defend the law in court after Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Attorney General Jerry Brown refused to. The attorney general and the governor are defendants in the case because of their positions in state government.

Lawyers for the measure's backers plan to argue that because same-sex marriage still is a social experiment, it is wise for states like California to take a wait-and-see approach. Their witnesses will testify that governments historically have sanctioned traditional marriage as a way to promote responsible child-rearing and that this remains a valid justification for limiting marriage to a man and a woman.

The anticipation and tension surrounding the trial were evident over the weekend, when Proposition 8's sponsors asked the U.S. Supreme Court to stop the proceedings from being recorded and broadcast on YouTube. Walker approved such a plan last week, saying the case was appropriate for wide dissemination because it dealt with an issue of wide interest and importance.

Justice Anthony Kennedy, who oversees the federal courts in western states, did not act on the emergency petition Sunday night.

While other courts have wrestled with the constitutional issues raised by prohibiting same-sex marriages – the Supreme Court last took a look at the issue 38 years ago – Walker's court is the first to employ live witnesses in the task. Among those set to testify are the leaders of the Proposition 8 campaign, academic experts from the fields of political science, history, psychology and economics, and the two plaintiff couples – Kristin Perry and Sandra Stier, who live in Berkeley, and Paul Katami and Jeffrey Zarrillo, who live in Los Angeles.

Chad Griffin, a political consultant who helped spearhead the lawsuit, said the four were recruited to represent California couples who say they would get married were it not for Proposition 8 because they lead lives indistinguishable from those of other couples, gay or straight, who have jobs, children and a desire for the social stamp of approval that matrimony affords, Griffin said.

"Our story, I think, is pretty ordinary," said Perry, 45, the title plaintiff in the case registered on legal dockets as Perry v. Schwarzenegger. "We fell in love, we want to get married and we can't. It's pretty simple." The women have been together for almost 10 years and since 2004 have been registered domestic partners, a legal relationship that in California carries most of the benefits and obligations of a full-fledged marriage.

Stier, 47, was married to a man for 12 years. She said the differences between marriage and domestic partnerships, part of what will be debated during the trial, are profound. She and Perry have to take extra legal precautions when they travel to states that do not recognize gay relationships and continually explain to friends and family what a domestic partnership is, Stier said.

"I had that feeling of security that comes with marriage and the assumption of many of the comforts and protections society affords. I can feel the difference in a very personal way," she said. "The word 'partnership' is used for business deals, tennis matches and golf games. It doesn't feel like the appropriate kind of word to describe my relationship with the person I love."

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Ioan Lightoller
Proud Married Gay Pagan Man
02:30 PM on 01/13/2010
I am really glad that Rick Jacobs is keeping track of this until we know if televising (even if it ends up being streamed on YouTube)will be allowed is wonderful. I think this trial should be televised because of its importance. I notice the Pro-Prop H8 side is the one who is raising the stink about it. Why? Because thentheir bigotry, hatred, and mean-spiritedness would be exposed for all to see?

When the New Jersey Senate voted down marriage equality, you should have seen the mean-spirited cheers, high-fives, etc. Of course we have seen the same thing in print here over and over and over and it is nothing more than a mean-spirited decision to rub our faces in it every chance they get.

If this is the way you think God wants you to act, anti-marriage equality advocates, you are very wrong and I pity you. My God and God/dess say "An it harms none, do as ye will--and what ye put out comes back times three." You demean your God by your pettiness and mean-spiritedness.
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08:30 PM on 01/11/2010
Thanks Lisa, as always. I was reading the live blogging by Rick Jacobs of Courage campaign and it was wonderful to have a way to "see" the trial. It was interesting and very frustrating at the same time/. The whole argument by the defenders of prop 8 is in plains terms highly offensive. Today the testimony by one of the Plaintiff's touched my raw nerve. When it comes to my children, I am mama bear and my family has felt the pain of Prop 8 in a very overt fashion. If your readers are interested they can see the story and my personal comments at
Prop 8 Plaintiff Testimony – How Prop 8 Hurts Children? – A real Life example

http://lezgetreal.com/?p=24823
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beyondliberal
Forward, never straight.
03:21 PM on 01/11/2010
I have friends, lesbians, who were married during the very brief period when gay marriage was legal in CA. One party had a brain injury, and her spouse was barred from hospital visitation, discussing her spouse's medical status or discharge plan, giving consent for treatment, and several other issues. This happened at a Kaiser facility first, then a Kaiser-contract hospital afterwards.
Now, after a lesson learned, each woman carries a copy of her marriage certificate EVERYWHERE she goes, folded into her wallet.
Shameful? Damn right! This would not have happened if we had the same recognized rights as straight couples.
05:31 PM on 01/11/2010
I believe you, yet at the same time i find this hard to believe. I have never had the slightest problem at a kaiser facility, and because of my husband's health issues, we have been there a lot.

Your friends should have called the kaiser ombudsman the moment this happened. If they didn't do it then, they should od it now.
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beyondliberal
Forward, never straight.
04:14 PM on 01/12/2010
Sorry, but the whole point is they are married lesbians, not husband and wife. I think your lack of problems with Kaiser is your SO and you are of the opposite sex. They wouldn't even question that you wouldn't be legitimately married.
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StevenKeirstead
Photographer and Biologist who happens to be gay.
02:29 PM on 01/11/2010
Social conservatives seem eager to prevent government from examining or intruding into their lives, but they want government to regulate gays and lesbians as second class citizens. Very ironic.
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Tommygun264
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02:23 PM on 01/11/2010
I'd be interested in hearing how many divorces have been granted with the parties citing "Irreconcilable Differences due to Legalized Same-Sex Marriage". After all, that is what the haters have warned us would happen, isn't it?
03:28 PM on 01/11/2010
I live in Massachusetts. Ever since gays and lesbians have been allowed to marry here, almost all of the heterosexual married couples I know, my wife and I included, have seen their traditional marriages begin to fall apart. Most are now divorced, or at least in the process of becoming so. Also, our children have been snatched off the streets by prowling LGBT agents and infected with "the gay". It's like we don't even know them anymore. It's becoming absolutely intolerable.

NOT!

Get real, people, none of that doom-and-gloom BS that we were warned about by the SSM opponents is even remotely true.
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01:43 PM on 01/11/2010
"Lawyers for the measure's backers plan to argue that because same-sex marriage still is a social experiment"

Do intelligent people really accept this copout?

Our entire existence as a nation is a social experiment!

A social experiment based on the ideals of each citizen self-determining.

When the government gives advantageous tools to some citizens and not to others, well, that's not equally protecting each citizen in his or her quest of self-determination.

Denying gays the right to marry the person THEY love is simply unAmerican and unfair, and it goes against the very principles of our national heritage, which just happens to be an ongoing social experiment in and of itself.
12:53 PM on 01/11/2010
Why is it that conservatives all turn into cry baby cowards the moment they're asked to back up their lies with facts? Why is it only the cameras of Fox News that don't turn them into roaches running from the lights?
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newtom
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01:06 PM on 01/11/2010
Very interesting indeed, isn't it?

Ironically, the book the cowards hold so dear talks about this very thing. That light (truth) outshines darkness. (John 3:19 "This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.) When the light of reason and love for one's fellow-man is shined on these folks, they run.

Hatred and bigotry don't look so good when they have to take personal responsibility for it in court.

All the better for the cause of equality and justice (characteristics of true light)..
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01:45 PM on 01/11/2010
"Hatred and bigotry don't look so good when they have to take personal responsibility for it in court."

Agreed.

And those who orchestrated Prop 8 is fearful that this televised trial will deconstruct the meanspirited campaigns of disinformation they presented to the public.

It's all about fearing their house of cards will come tumbling down.