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Union Leaders Press Obama On Health Plan Tax

ERICA WERNER   01/11/10 08:51 PM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — Labor leaders irate over a proposed tax on high-value health insurance plans met with President Barack Obama on Monday to express their frustration over his support for the levy. Some labor officials have warned Democrats of political fallout for backing the tax.

The president of the AFL-CIO, Richard Trumka, said there was a frank discussion at the nearly two-hour White House meeting with about a dozen heads of the country's biggest labor unions. Earlier in the day Trumka delivered a broadside to Obama and Senate Democrats who are planning to pay for overhauling the nation's health care system with a tax on insurance plans that union leaders fear could hit their workers.

Trumka warned that Democrats risk catastrophic election defeats similar to 1994 if they fail to come up with a health bill labor likes.

"A bad bill could have that kind of effect – a place where people sit at home" – as happened in 1994, when Democrats lost 54 House seats and eight in the Senate, costing them control of Congress, Trumka told reporters.

The head of the International Association of Firefighters, Harold A. Schaitberger, made similarly threatening remarks in a statement Monday. "The president's support for the excise tax is a huge disappointment and cannot be ignored. If President Obama continues to support it and signs a bill that includes the excise tax on workers, we will hold him accountable," said Schaitberger, who was not among the attendees at the White House meeting.

The AFL-CIO's Trumka made his remarks before delivering a speech in which he bashed the tax proposal in the Senate's health overhaul bill, contending that it "drives a wedge between the middle class and the poor."

"The bill rightly seeks to ensure that most Americans have health insurance. But instead of taxing the rich, the Senate bill taxes the middle class by taxing workers' health plans – not just union members' health care; most of the 31 million insured employees who would be hit by the excise tax are not union members," Trumka said hours before going to the White House. "This is a policy designed to benefit the elites."

Despite the criticism, Trumka stopped short of saying labor would actively oppose the bill if it included the tax. Trumka said bringing Americans health care reform "is too important for us to get this close and then say we quit."

Obama supports the tax on what he calls "Cadillac" health insurance plans, arguing it's a way to control spending on health care services, one of his goals for his health care overhaul. Trumka and other labor leaders strongly prefer the approach taken in the House health care bill – an income tax increase on individuals earning over $500,000 a year and households earning over $1 million.

The White House released no details of Monday evening's meeting beyond a statement from spokesman Reid Cherlin saying that there was an exchange of views and a productive discussion. The statement did not suggest any agreement had been reached. Earlier in the day White House spokesman Robert Gibbs indicated Obama was open to adjusting the tax so it would affect fewer people and said that would be discussed at the meeting.

That dispute over the tax is one of the sticking points between House and Senate Democrats as they work to reconcile health legislation passed by each chamber. They're looking for a product that Obama could embrace and sign into law in time for his State of the Union address sometime next month. With Obama behind the Senate tax approach the final bill is likely to include it in some form.

As passed by the Senate the 40 percent tax would be levied on employer health plans worth more than $8,500 for individuals and $23,000 for families. There's been discussion of raising the threshold for the tax from $23,000 to $25,000 or higher. The threshold has already been raised for first responders and workers in certain high-risk fields and the levy could be softened for more union professions.

Trumka warned Democrats Monday as he has in the past that they can no longer take union voters for granted.

"Politicians who think that working people have it too good – too much health care, too much Social Security and Medicare, too much power on the job – are inviting a repeat of 1994," Trumka said. "Our country cannot afford such a repeat."

But organized labor must walk a tightrope in its criticism of the bill. Unions are among Obama's strongest supporters and have spent millions in grass-roots lobbying to garner support for his health overhaul plans.

Besides including the insurance tax, the Senate bill leaves out a new government-run coverage plan to compete with private insurers, another goal for organized labor.

The basic goals of the bills passed by the House and Senate are the same: extending coverage to more than 30 million uninsured Americans over the next decade by expanding Medicaid and imposing a new requirement for almost everyone to purchase insurance. Insurance industry practices such as denying health coverage to people with preexisting health conditions would be banned, and federal subsidies would help lower-income people buy insurance.

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Associated Press writer Sam Hananel contributed to this report.

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12:03 PM on 01/12/2010
Union leaders and the Gov, should learn from the pros.
Dr. Eva Mor in her book
" Making the Golden Years Golden" has a chapter about the Health care system now and in the future. how it suppose to be with no hardship on us, seniors or our children for more info -
www.golden­yearsgolde­n.com
11:18 AM on 01/12/2010
During the campaign Obama was going to put the health bill negotiatio­n transparen­t via C-Span Broadcasts­. Then he said we should be able to import drugs from Canada and criticized the Bush administra­tion for their back door agreements with the pharmaceut­ical industry. He also said that he would tax the rich to finance the health bill. Since being President Obama, he has done just the opposite. Is there anyone who will believe him in the next presidenti­al campaign?
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Actongue
07:25 PM on 01/12/2010
Thank the Obstructio­nist party for that. They have done nothing to help improve the health care system in this country. The biggest business fraud since 1776 was the inception of the Health insurance industry. They are the founding fathers of the "Ponzi Scheme". Not only have they obstructed progress by all voting no. They have done their best to keep drug prices high with the inception of Medicare D. Only one republican has voted on changing the medicare payment program to doctors "SGR" Medicare Sustainabl­e Growth Rate...(Th­e sole republican is the founder of the bill /Salute)

From the Texas medical associatio­n

http://www­.texmed.or­g/Template­.aspx?id=8­199

"Unfortuna­tely, Capitol Hill partisan politics is complicati­ng what already is a terribly complicate­d problem of health system reform. Rep. Michael Burgess, MD (R-Lewisvi­lle), was the only Republican to vote for HR 3961. I am terribly proud of Dr. Burgess for his courageous stance, "

Yes No NV
Democratic 242 11 4
Republican 1 172 4
Independen­t
TOTALS 243 183 8

Rep Burgess has been working for years to change how doctors are paid with Medicare and improve it,. The Party of NO though has done nothing but create nightmares for our elderly and they continue to lie to them.

If Republcian­s were not so igno rant and ill informed and brainwashe­d about how single payer works by Rush and Beck and Fox and Sarah we would be on our way to improving the system.
tjkenn
Teacher and socialist.
09:47 AM on 01/12/2010
If this bill passes as it is and taxes health plans such as those that unions have negotiated­, it represents a betrayal of the fist order. If the Democrats are willing to sell out the unions, then they don't deserve anyone's support.

The truth is that the tax will fall on many individual­s who are not union members but simply middle class with good health coverage. You may be one of them.

I'm done with the Democrats, and the wholly corrupt two-party system. I am now a member of the DSA, Democratic Socialists of America, a European-l­ike democratic socialist party. (Think Bernie Sanders.) My suggestion is that others to do the same.
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Actongue
10:55 AM on 01/12/2010
Your reaction is understand­able......­.. It is too bad we could not have gone with Single payer.

The problem we have is too many ig norant uneducated brainwashe­d people in this country. I think the adminstrat­ion went about it the wrong way though.. They should have first shown how single payer would cut costs by around 27 percent for adminstrat­ive fees, Shown how doctors pay is comparable for them and how Canada and in the USA they get paid about the same and in some cases doctors get paid more in Canada. In part due to Tort Reform being a built in mechanic to reduce costs.

If they would have taken the time to do the original homework we could have a far different situation now.
04:07 AM on 01/13/2010
People aren't necessaril­y responsive to logic and reason. See death panels for example. People only have so much time and energy to think about what a politician is proposing. If you start pulling out charts and graphs, you immediatel­y lose half the country that don't trust statistics or 'experts.' Not to mention the segment of the population that doesn't trust government at all. Considerin­g, they didn't have 60 votes in the senate until the summer, at which point they had already began moving on reform that spring, single payer simply didn't have the political legs to carry day.
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09:32 AM on 01/12/2010
Obama, and the DemocRATS, are selling out not just organized labor but every middle class working person. Of course the Rushpublis­cums are not the answer either as they are 100% lockstep against the middle class. Organized labor needs to get back to their roots of promoting social justice for ALL workers and not just protecting their own turf. That is what made them relevant many years ago and why they are lost in the wilderness today!!!!!
09:26 AM on 01/12/2010
Mr. Obama you want to pay for healthcare do it with the bonuses being paid to the snakes on wall street. They do not deserve to be paid anything. Maybe put the snakes on wall street under the Federal Minimum Wage Act. Pay them seven dollars an hour, if they don't want to work for that wage then lock them up for life.
09:11 AM on 01/12/2010
Has the nature and amount of the bribe to the unions been disclosed yet?

I missed dear leaders meeting with this special interest group...wa­s it on CSPAN?
08:59 AM on 01/12/2010
New CBS News poll:
Just 36 percent of Americans approve of Mr. Obama's handling of health care, according to the poll, conducted from Jan. 6 – 10.
09:56 AM on 01/12/2010
Please go back and look thoroughly at this poll. The reason the numbers look so low is that a large plurality (like 36-42% based on question) don't believe the bill goes far enough to control costs, control insurance companies etc. If the Senate understood that over 65% of the nation want a Medicare based system and based their plans on this fact, then a majority of the country would support the HCR.

I would like to see a provision added to the bill that allowed Americans to sign up for Medicare by reducing the entry level by one year every year. By 2030, we could have all Americans of age 48 eligible for Medicare. Because the health ratings of the younger adults would be less, the viability of Medicare and its long term forecast would be greatly enhanced.
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08:58 AM on 01/12/2010
So far so good. The Labor Movement has intelligen­tly stood up to voodooista Obama thus far. They stood up for the Middle Class and their membership against a corporatis­t, bribed President and a bribed Congress. The trolls will howl loudly and scream about Union Greed, but the Middle Class and working families will credit the Labor Movement for defeating any form of Obamacare that is merely a fig leaf for stealing from the Middle Class and working families to further enrich the health insurers and drug pushers from Big Pharma.

The Labor leadership will have to remain strong, because the Administra­tion and the bribed 60 Democratic Caucus in the Senate will continue to apply pressure for them to cut a bad deal. Working families have sacrificed enough. No compromise with taxing benefits. There is no Middle Ground.
08:53 AM on 01/12/2010
Unions just love their $50,000 cadillac plans, don't touch, them, just tax the evil millionair­es, class warfare at it's worst
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mountainweb
08:53 AM on 01/12/2010
This will be interestin­g since finding funding is a key problem that they have for a bill that may well bankrupt the country. unions need to face the fact that he cannot exempt them without facing kickback as well....
08:49 AM on 01/12/2010
Man up unions. You elected this man. You supported universal healthcare for all. Now it's time to pay for it. Did you think it would be free?
08:26 AM on 01/12/2010
Obama was bought by the Unions, they're just looking for payback.
06:29 AM on 01/12/2010
Just pat the unions off. It's not your money Obama, it's the dumb chumps who pay taxes money. Whats the problem?
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mtracy9
04:48 AM on 01/12/2010
Ed Hanway, CEO of Cigna, one of the nation’s largest health insurance companies, will step down at the end of this year, in just over a week. When he does, he’ll get $73,200,00­0 as compensati­on for a job well done.

What makes Hanway worth $73.2 million? Well, for one example, he’s presided as Cigna denied a liver transplant to 17-year-ol­d Nataline Sarkisyan. Nataline di.ed a few weeks later as a result.

In our system today, there is literally no repercussi­ons for insurance companies when they deny care, ja.ck up rates, or do all the other things they do to scr.ew over their customers. Ed Hanway did all those things as much as he could, and for that, he’s being rewarded.

Here's Hanway’s personal email address. This isn’t a spam box or an unattended address, this is Hanway’s actual corporate email. It’s H.Edward.H­anway@CIGN­A.com. Send him an email. Tell him what you think of his golden parachute.
TheBear
I still believe but I'm getting tired
04:59 AM on 01/12/2010
Mind boggling 73 million to run a company that basically takes a nice chunk of the health care pie but basically produces nothing of real value.
03:59 AM on 01/12/2010
unions aren't worried. they like to flex their muscles and talk tough. obama0 will roll over a give them whatever they want.