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Proposition 8 Backer, Hak-Shing William Tam, Testifies That Gays Are Linked To Pedophilia

LISA LEFF   01/21/10 09:03 PM ET   AP

Hakshing William Tam

SAN FRANCISCO — A proponent of California's same-sex marriage ban testified Thursday that he thinks gays are more likely to be pedophiles and that allowing them to wed would lead to efforts to lower the age at which teenagers can legally have sex with adults.

Lawyers for two couples suing to overturn the ban, known as Proposition 8, called Hak-Shing William Tam of San Francisco to testify as a hostile witness to prove that bias toward gays fueled the campaign to pass the measure.

Proposition 8 sponsors have tried to distance themselves from Tam, even though his name appeared alongside ballot arguments for the measure in voter information pamphlets during the 2008 campaign.

In federal court, attorney David Boies spent time walking Tam through a Web site for a Chinese-American evangelical Christian group that featured a headline reading "Studies Show That Homosexuality Is Linked to Pedophilia."

Tam serves as secretary of the group, known as the American Return to God Prayer Movement.

The Web site also contained a link to another article claiming gays were 12 times more likely to molest children.

"So you supported this Web site making these kind of statements?" Boies asked.

"Uh, yes," Tam said.

"Do you believe that homosexuals are 12 times more likely to molest children?" the lawyer continued.

"Yeah, based on the different literature that I have read," Tam replied.

Boies pressed Tam to cite books, articles or authors he had read to substantiate the views, but Tam said he could not remember specifics.

Earlier in the trial, a Cambridge University professor testified that there is no evidence to suggest that gays are more likely to molest children than heterosexuals.

During a news conference outside court, lawyer Andy Pugno, who represents Proposition 8 backers, said Tam had "next to nothing" to do with the campaign, even though he was one of the measure's official proponents.

Tam said he spent a lot of time working on the campaign and frequently communicated with its leaders but modestly added he did not consider himself a major player.

Tam explained that he got involved in early efforts to promote the gay marriage ban in 2007, gathering signatures to qualify it for the ballot. He became an official proponent because of his concern that legalizing same-sex marriage would encourage young people to pursue gay partners, he said.

"I think it's very important for the next generation to understand the historical meaning of marriage," he said. "I think it is very important that children won't grow up to fantasize or think about should I marry Jane or John when I grow up, because this is very important for Asian families."

Under questioning by Boies, Tam also said he agreed with a statement on the Web site for the Chinese-American Christian group that said if same-sex marriage was treated as a civil right, "so would pedophilia, polygamy and incest."

"And that is what you were telling people in encouraging them to vote for Proposition 8?" Boies asked.

"Yes," Tam answered.

Tam said he drew that conclusion after reading an Internet article that claimed incest and polygamy were legal in the Netherlands, a country where same-same marriages became legal in 2001.

Boies: "You are saying here that after same-sex marriage was legalized, the Netherlands legalized incest and polygamy?"

Tam: "Yeah, look at the date, Polygamy happened afterward."

"Who told you that? Where did you get that idea," Boies asked incredulously.

"It's the Internet," he said. "Another person in the organization found it and he showed me it. ... I looked at the document and I thought it was true."

Polygamy is not legal in the Netherlands, but the idea that it is became an urban myth of sorts in 2005 after a man and two women signed a private "cohabitation contract" while wearing wedding garb. Consensual incest between adults is no longer prosecuted in the Netherlands, but close relatives are not allowed to wed.

Under cross-examination from Nicole Moss, a lawyer for Proposition 8's sponsors, Tam said the opinions expressed on the Web site were his own and had not been approved by ProtectMarriage.com, the organization that ran the campaign, or submitted to its strategists for review.

"At any time during the campaign phase or any phase for Proposition 8 did you have a role in drafting the official message for ProtectMarriasge.com?" Moss asked.

"No," Tam answered, adding that his contact with the campaign's staff was minimal. "I was acting independently."

Shortly before Tam left the witness stand, Boies asked him if he had spoken to his lawyer during a 5-minute break in his testimony. Tam said he had.

"I said I felt like naughty boy being put in front of a classroom and being mocked at," he said.

Plaintiffs lawyers expect to rest their case on Friday with testimony from a University of California, Davis psychologist who is scheduled to testify about prejudice against lesbians and gay men.

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09:47 PM on 01/25/2010
This statement made by the witness at the end of his testimony is very telling.

When asked if he had spoken to his lawyer during the 5 min break, Tam said he had
"I said I felt like naughty boy being put in front of a classroom and being mocked at,"

I think Tam has a few skeletons in his own closet. The creepy nature of that verbiage is unsettling coming from a grown man. Ewwwe!
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04:41 AM on 01/25/2010
Every pedophile I have ever had the misfortune to meet has been a straight, married Christian man with a lot of kids. They have also been heavily involved in their church of choice (usually Christian based).

I've had to help put deadbolt locks on solid steel doors just to make sure that a kid could feel safe from their dad, who the judge decided to give probation to because the family would be "better off". And there, of course, were the whole "pillar of their community" set of arguments that dad shouldn't get any criminal charges filed anyways because he was a good Christian and he had asked his Savior for forgiveness and 'God forgave him".

This guy has just read all of the anti-gay literature and believed it. He can't cite studies or articles, because there have never been any that are real. Everything he knows is a bad cut and paste job of old mimeographed doom and gloom tracts.
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bluntobject
Gandhi didn't like your attitude either!
12:45 AM on 01/25/2010
This Tam character clearly has been eating raw meat.
01:10 PM on 01/24/2010
It should go without saying that a person should be allowed to marry whomever they choose. Until the right-wing, religious fanatics in this country stop trying to control everybody else and force their “morals” down the throat of the country, there can be no real freedom in the United States. Civil rights cannot simply be "voted away," that is the purpose of the Bill of Rights. Religious activists should be left out of these decisions completely. I invite you to my web pages devoted to raising awareness on this puritan attack on our freedom: http://freethegods.blogspot.com/2009/06/san-franciscos-gay-pride-parade.html
10:48 AM on 01/23/2010
Well i have a names for this guy but i will use them on someone worth it. But now to more important things i dont have brothers and sisters so no neices or nephews but my next door neighbors neices and nephews are like mine and i have always been of this mind set that if anyone straight gay or otherwise ever touched them i would try my best to make sure they would never touch anyone even their selves. Point 2 98% of pediphiles are married hetrosexual men with kids of their own>Point 3 yes most pediphiles do have a preference for boys or girls but some dont care.and what about the female teachers that have sex their male students depending on their looks no body realy cares but let it be a male teacher or a woman that may not be beautiful to most all hell breaks loose but let her look like a model and they get probation thats just my thoughts i might be wrong on most of it.But i dont think so.Plus i've been in a 10year relationship and if my relationship has screwed up anybodys marraige then it was screwed up because of u not mine or anybody elses relationshps straight or gay
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
01:03 AM on 01/23/2010
Gays are linked to pedophilia? Well, you know, right-wing dumbasses are linked to...well, let's enumerate:

Mark Sanford
John Ensign
David Vitter
Jimmy Swaggart

Jon Stewart is going to have a field day with William Tam's remarks.
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NWBrunette
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09:21 PM on 01/22/2010
I realize that right-wingers have at best an arm's length relationship to the facts... but does it bother this dufus at all that pedophiles can get married?
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MelRoy
I think, therefore...here I am
08:40 PM on 01/22/2010
That guy looks like he's never had sex with a man or a woman...maybe with something else, but...
06:57 PM on 01/22/2010
Not all pedophiles are gay, not all rapists are gay, and very few murderers are gay. Whereas, most pedophiles, rapists, and murderers are men. Perhaps we should just ban men and virtually eliminate these crimes.
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09:27 PM on 01/22/2010
98% of all gay men are still men :). Did you perchance mean to ban straight men?
06:57 PM on 01/22/2010
So . . . did anybody else notice the exquisite irony of Tam's position: He posits that gay marriage will inevitably lead to " pedophilia, polygamy and incest," which just happen to be the exact litany of moral travesties that the Mormon Church is most often accused of and whose members are often convicted of in courts of law? Exquisite irony because it was largely the financing by the Mormons that enabled Proposition 8 to become law in the first place!!
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Unitynow8
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12:18 PM on 01/24/2010
Great Point
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newtom
eschew obfuscation
11:12 AM on 01/25/2010
Financing to the tune of $25 million. They should lose their tax-exempt status.
06:51 PM on 01/22/2010
To link gays to pedophilia is just a ridiculous argument. Not all pedophiles are gay, not all rapists are gay and very few murders are gay. What does that tell us? The one common thread is that most pedophiles, rapists, and murders are men. Can we pass a law banning them?
08:11 AM on 01/22/2010
Most pedophiles are men therefore only lesbians should be permitted to marry? Get a better argument and stop blaming gay men for what mainly bi men do! Oh yeah since you are an expert answer this are most bi men married? Do they have access to boys? Do you think it is best for gay boys to feel free to tell mommy and daddy what bad people do to them? Stop hiding behind shallow arguments. If he is an expert they need to review his credentials. He is very wrong with this statement what else is he wrong about?
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04:33 AM on 01/22/2010
What he is saying is that homosexuals are worse than heterosexuals. 12 times worse. What a thing to say.
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SteveDenver
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07:21 AM on 01/22/2010
That's what he is saying. His claims that legalizing gay marriage would also legitimize "pedophilia, polygamy and incest" could be proven through the fact these are problems associated with "traditional marriage."

Perhaps he should move to make "traditional marriage" illegal, because of it's proven social ills.
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04:30 AM on 01/22/2010
That conclusion is the biggest load of crap i have ever heard. People don't choose to be one way or another, they just are. Denying homosexuality is not going to reduce the number of homosexuals and supporting them is not going to create more. We all know how promoting abstinence is working out.

Seriously bad logic here.
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03:33 AM on 01/22/2010
No wonder why he didn't want to go on the telly. Imagine the unlimited potential for good, old-fashioned fun with the youtube! Hak-Shing sound bites, remixes, mashups and montages....all of it, so cruelly yanked away from all of us. It breaks my ferocious and blackened little heart.
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SteveDenver
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07:36 AM on 01/22/2010
"I said I felt like naughty boy being put in front of a classroom and being mocked at," he said.

Maybe he just want big mean teacher lady to make spank on his bottom and cause him say he sorry for making bad story. He saw it on the internet and be wanting it to truth.
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08:19 AM on 01/22/2010
I'm all for making merciless fun of him for being a bigot. But not for being Asian.
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09:56 AM on 01/22/2010
goodpoints

WOW! basically agreed with your post, 3x scrubbed...

this is what hinders discussion...who wants to post over and over?