Lloyd Woodson Arrested: Man Had Grenade Launcher, Weapons, Maps

GEOFF MULVIHILL   01/26/10 07:10 PM ET   AP

Lloyd Woodson

SOMERVILLE, N.J. — A call from a convenience store clerk about a suspicious person led to an arrest and a frightening discovery: The man was wearing a bulletproof vest and carrying a loaded assault rifle and four magazines of ammunition.

Back in the man's motel room, authorities found a grenade launcher, more rifles, a night-vision scope and, ominously, a map of the Fort Drum Army base in upstate New York.

Prosecutors have not said what 43-year-old Lloyd Woodson was doing with the arsenal. The FBI said Woodson did not appear to have any connection to terrorist groups.

But the weapons and the map raised questions about whether the former Navy man may have been planning some kind of attack.

Authorities did not say why he had a map of Fort Drum, where active duty and reserve soldiers are trained and deployed. The base is about a 5-hour drive from Branchburg, where Woodson was staying.

An executive for the Quick Chek convenience store chain, based in Whitehouse Station, said the clerk's call "averted a possible problem at our store and certainly averted a problem somewhere else."

Mike Murphy, a senior vice president for the company, said prosecutors asked him not to say what raised the worker's suspicions.

Woodson was jailed on state weapons charges. Somerset County Prosecutor Wayne Forrest would not identify either the military facility or the town shown on the maps, other than to say the community was not in New Jersey.

Federal authorities said Tuesday evening that the military facility on the map was Fort Drum. That disclosure came as they announced they had charged Woodson with possessing guns even though he was previously convicted of a weapons offense.

A New Jersey state judge on Tuesday set bail for Woodson at $75,000, and he appeared in court for an arraignment that lasted only a moment.

Woodson, wearing shackles and a jail jumpsuit, had no lawyer present and spoke only to acknowledge the judge. The prosecutor did not speak and did not take a position on the bail.

Woodson was staying at the Red Mill Inn, a motel along a busy suburban highway that runs through an area with many pharmaceutical companies. It's unclear whether he was living at the motel, which advertises weekly rates, or just passing through.

Prosecutors said his last known address was Reston, Va. But the New York-born man appears to have a string of former addresses in Brooklyn and Queens, as well as Maryland.

The Navy says he enlisted in 1988, deserted a little over a year later and spent eight years on the run before returning briefly to Navy custody in 1997. He was soon discharged.

In their charging documents, the U.S. Attorney's Office said Woodson was convicted in 1997 of illegal weapons possession.

In 2008, Woodson's wife, Tracey Everett, sought a protective order against him in Forestville, Md. In court papers, she said he deserted her and her children months earlier and described a confrontation outside their Forestville home in which "he responded by saying if I did not let him back in I would be sorry."

In a telephone interview Tuesday, Everett said that she does not believe Woodson was going to hurt her, or that he would hurt anyone.

"He's just a loner. He just needs psychological counseling," she said.

Everett said she has not spoken to her estranged husband in more than a year and had tried unsuccessfully to find him to serve divorce papers. She said he kept guns in their townhouse – but only because he was a collector.

"He never put his hands on me," she said. "He's not that type of person."

Shortly before 4 a.m. Monday, an employee at the convenience store near the inn called police to report a man acting suspiciously.

According to court papers, when police arrived, a patrolman saw Woodson acting "extremely nervous" and asked if he was OK.

He responded, "I'm getting some food for my kids," the papers said. He fled a moment later. Police started canvassing the trailer park next door.

They found him lying in bushes. When they ordered him to show his hands, they said, he ran off again. Two officers tackled him and used pepper spray to subdue him.

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Associated Press Writer Matt Barakat in Forestville, Md., contributed to this report.

(This version CORRECTS spelling of convenience store chain, 'Quick Chek' instead of 'Quik Check.')

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OdinsEye
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11:52 AM on 01/27/2010
Everyone including moderators,

Here is a link to a different, more up to date article: http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/01/virginia_man_facing_nj_federal.html

Please note that they clarify that they "grenade launcher" is actually a flare gun.

Recommend changing the title of the article to correct for this error.
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OdinsEye
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06:09 PM on 01/26/2010
If he is a former deserter from the military, depending on the procedure under which he was discharged, he may have committed a federal felony of being a prohibited person in possession of firearms. That, and the possession of firearms with defaced serial numbers should be tried in federal court, not state or local court.
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05:56 PM on 01/26/2010
Well, good. I'm relieved he is not considered a problem and is allowed bail.

Now, if he had three .50 caliber weapons and two or more grenade launchers then we might have to revisit this bail issue .......... I guess ......
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mackbolan
Libertas inaestimabilis res est
06:04 PM on 01/26/2010
nothing you said would be against the law....since it was not a grenade launcher....
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mackbolan
Libertas inaestimabilis res est
05:31 PM on 01/26/2010
from ferrets home page....

"Our upper receivers are designed for converting your AR series rifle to 50BMG. These same uppers are used in our rifle designs. Many of our customers who are just entering the 50BMG shooting sports start with these uppers that they put on their AR15. This allows them the flexability to modify their 50BMG rifle with our F-50 lowers, Supermatch barrels and other options as they choose."
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OdinsEye
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05:39 PM on 01/26/2010
What he has does not appear to be a Ferret. It appears to be a .50 Beowulf. The Ferrets are much different looking and IIRC are all bolt actions.
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mackbolan
Libertas inaestimabilis res est
05:46 PM on 01/26/2010
as you and i have discussed before...a lot of these guns seem to be solutions looking for a problem...such as the .458 socom....
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TJCole
05:29 PM on 01/26/2010
Wasn't that a Bruce Cockburn song...?

"If I had a Rocket Launcher..."
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mackbolan
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05:28 PM on 01/26/2010
not having seen the gun i will have to go with odin on the caliber...but they do make a .223 to .50 bmg conversion.....

http://www.ferret50.com/index.html
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OdinsEye
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05:41 PM on 01/26/2010
Agreeed that there is the Ferret and other complete .50 BMG uppers which will fit on the AR lower, but this does nopt appear to be a Ferret. It appears to be a .50 Beowulf. The Ferrets look much different than what he had and IIRC all the Ferrets are bolt actions.
12:24 AM on 01/27/2010
And they're a stone bastard to hide under a coat....

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Chris Holdread
05:24 PM on 01/26/2010
makes me want to play Grant Theft Auto. you can have all the weapons (including grenade launchers) you want. i think thats what these people need.
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realitytrumpsbull
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03:13 AM on 01/27/2010
Yeah, but after you finish all the levels in Hitting People Over The Head With A Baseball Bat IV, what are you letting yourself in there for, mentally? What are you being trained to do, with that particular type of computer-based training?

This guy was stockpiling firearms etc., going by the news report, he had some kind of violent ambitions or intentions, and they weren't virtual weapons in VR, either.
In the modern age, when most people hunt for bargains at the grocery store, firearms kind of only have one remaining purpose, so, 'collector'? Did any of his firearms have any personal sentimental value, historical significance, were they non-firing replicas? Apparently not. Is it probably a good thing he got picked up by the P.D.? I think so.
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OdinsEye
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11:58 AM on 01/27/2010
Absoluitely a good thing he was picked up. It now appears that he is a felon in possession of firearms, not to mention suffering from mental health issues, and carrying firearms with defaced serial numbers. This guy needs to be off the streets and getting mental health help.
05:05 PM on 01/26/2010
i like all of the blather relating to how they guy really wasn't carrying that dangerous a weapon.

right.
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OdinsEye
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05:09 PM on 01/26/2010
No one is saying the firearms are not dangerous. Well, the flare gun not so much. The issue is that the misidentification of the items confuses people as to what actually happened.

To read some of the articles, he was walking around with a .50 BMG machine gun and a .308 machine gun and a bunch of explosives.
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satanlite
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05:27 PM on 01/26/2010
Go out and have a friend shoot you in the face witha flare gun and then come back and say "not so much".
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Burt Bollinger
05:12 PM on 01/26/2010
I would respectfully argue that its not blather to mention that he did NOT have a grenade launcher, when the headline screams that he did. He had a tear gas launcher....this is a huge difference.

No one is arguing that the rifle he was carrying was not dangerous.

As an aside to any anti-gun comments that may arise...I am a "liberal," but in today's world, I think it makes sense to have a firearm for defense, at least stored away somewhere. Yes, perhaps even a scary black rifle that resembles an assault rifle.

All the best,

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Firestarterfive
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05:24 PM on 01/26/2010
Why would anyone, other than law enforcement, need a tear gas launcher?
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TFlint
05:34 PM on 01/26/2010
"a 37 mm Cobray grenade launcher" it is in the story.
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ThierryGhi
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04:47 PM on 01/26/2010
" Woodson was wearing a bulletproof vest and carrying a semiautomatic Bushmaster rifle concealed under his green, military-style jacket". Really nothing to worry about, he was wearing all that stuff just to go to a Super Bowl party. Hey, this is the USA, where psychopaths may enter any weapon store and buy nearly any weapon. Maybe there is a relation between this and the fact that gun deaths are proportionally 200% higher in the US than in any western European country. Just maybe.
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OdinsEye
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04:52 PM on 01/26/2010
If the "psychopaths " has been adjudicated as mentally deficient or a danger to themself or others, then they cannot go into a firearm store and buy a firearm.

Most of Europe had low firearm related deaths before they passed their current firearm laws. There is actually not a lot of evidence that their low rates are due to their firearm laws.
05:19 PM on 01/26/2010
Instead of going to a gun store they just go to a gun show where almost anyone that breathes can buy a gun no questions asked.
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William Caine
05:27 PM on 01/26/2010
The Virginia Tech shooter had been adjudicated, but he got his guns anyway. There are holes in the system.
03:50 PM on 01/26/2010
Why is the Media not asking if this was some kind of planned false Arab Terrorist attack on the nearby military base ? Who is he associated with and who is paying him ? It's been reported in other papers that he had Arab clothing in his hotel room. Was this going to be blamed on " Arab Terrorists" again ?
05:25 PM on 01/26/2010
i suspected that as well when it was mentioned he had some Arab style head garb in his room.
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OdinsEye
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05:33 PM on 01/26/2010
I have several Shemagh/Keffiya head garb. They come in handy when doing yard work or in the winter time. Very handy and useful items.
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Burt Bollinger
05:28 PM on 01/26/2010
its something you can mail order from what I can recall....the projectiles themselves are likely more difficult to come across. To answer your question though, no one.

its such a niche device with so little practical value, there's no need to even have a law against it IMO....
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OdinsEye
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02:14 PM on 01/26/2010
One correction though, the 37 mm device being identified as a grenade launcher is actually a flare gun.
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04:29 PM on 01/26/2010
Thanks for pointing that 1 out. A pretty grievous error. It's the difference between a BB gun and a 12 guage loaded with 00 Buck.
04:42 PM on 01/26/2010
Yeah, really. What's all the fuss? I think they should apologize and let him go.
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OdinsEye
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01:49 PM on 01/26/2010
Kudos on this article getting it correct that these were semi-auto rifles, not assault rifles.

Please note that when the article says "Forrest said the rifle Woodson was carrying had a defaced serial number and had been altered to fire .50-caliber ammunition", they are not talking about the infamous .50 BMG fired by the Barrett M82, they are talking about the far less potent .50 Beowulf or possibly the even less potent .50 AE.
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LetMeUnderstandThis
02:14 PM on 01/26/2010
Excuse my lack of knowledge of weapons, but correct me if i'm wrong but can't the semi-auto rifle be modified to fully automatic?
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OdinsEye
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02:21 PM on 01/26/2010
Just about any firearm can be. However, modifying a semi-auto to fire full-auto is not as easy as most people have heard. Attempts to do so usually result in a completely malfunctioning firearm which is hazardous to shoot or occasionally they result in complete runaway firing, also a very hazardous situation. If a firearm can be easily converted to fire full-auto, the BATFE will classify it as an NFA Title II (AKA Class III) firearm itself, just as if it were a full-auto.
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OdinsEye
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02:29 PM on 01/26/2010
P.S. Not to mention being a federal felony worth 10 years behind bars in a federal prison, not state or local.
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realitytrumpsbull
two 'alves of coconut!
03:30 AM on 01/27/2010
My question is, does it really matter what kind of gun you get killed with? Dead is dead, the Almighty and the coroner don't make special allowances based on caliber or manufacturer. Question is, what was he doing with ANY of the guns, what were his intentions?
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OdinsEye
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10:52 AM on 01/27/2010
It does not matter to the victim what he is killed with, car, firearm, knife, machine gun, but it matters to those who try to make laws and policies. We routinely see misinformation being used to convince people that a law should be passed. Firearms are one such area where this is common. This is why many people still mistakenly think that the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban affected machine guns. The gun control group VPC and its leader have made several staements advocating preying on people's confusion. This is why the AWB passed while affecting rifles which were used in less than 1% of all firearm related crime.