Northern Ireland Talks Near Collapse

SHAWN POGATCHNIK   01/27/10 11:37 AM ET   AP

Northern Ireland

HILLSBOROUGH, Northern Ireland — The prime ministers of Britain and Ireland presented a compromise plan Wednesday to keep Northern Ireland's fractious politicians from breaking up their Catholic-Protestant government, but neither side accepted the deal.

Gordon Brown of Britain and Brian Cowen of Ireland ended their three-day diplomatic mission claiming to have dramatically narrowed the divisions between the Irish Catholics of Sinn Fein and the British Protestants of the Democratic Unionist Party. Yet Sinn Fein remained poised to withdraw from the power-sharing coalition and bring it crashing down.

Both premiers held out hope the rivals could keep talking and fine-tune their proposals over the next two days.

"We believe that we have produced a pathway to an agreement," Brown said with Cowen at his side.

"I don't think we've failed. I think we've made enormous progress," Brown said. "On Monday, quite frankly, parties were not talking to each other."

However, neither Sinn Fein nor the Democratic Unionists sounded close to achieving a deal as the prime ministers departed for London and Dublin. The two local parties blamed each other for making impossible demands.

The premiers hurried to Northern Ireland on Monday in fear that the 2 1/2-year-old coalition was on the brink of collapse. Sinn Fein warned it was about to withdraw following a long dispute over when the coalition would take charge of the province's police and justice system from Britain.

Sinn Fein, Britain, Ireland and the United States all wanted the move to happen by 2008. But many Protestants remain upset over the prospect that former IRA commanders in Sinn Fein – men involved in killing police officers and judges – would have any role now in overseeing law and order.

Democratic Unionist leader Peter Robinson said his party felt bullied by Sinn Fein threats to collapse their coalition.

"(We) will not accept any second-rate deal simply to get across the line to suit someone else's deadline," Robinson said. "If others choose to walk away, then I believe that the wrath of the community will be upon them for doing that."

His partner atop the Belfast administration, Sinn Fein deputy leader Martin McGuinness, said he was "very deeply disappointed." McGuinness, a former Irish Republican Army commander, accused the Democratic Unionists of refusing to be "partners in progress."

Power-sharing, the central vision of Northern Ireland's U.S.-brokered 1998 peace deal, was proposed as the best way to end a conflict between its majority Protestants and minority Catholics that claimed 3,600 lives from the late 1960s to mid-1990s.

"Power-sharing is so important for this community. It has the potential to resolve so many problems," Cowen said, stressing that local leaders must accept the Anglo-Irish blueprint "in the immediate days ahead" to avoid a breakdown.

Sinn Fein accused the Democratic Unionists of playing for time in expectation that Brown's government soon will be toppled in British general elections this spring. The likely victors, the Conservative Party, are traditionally sympathetic to the Protestant side.

Brown said the Anglo-Irish plan calls for Britain to transfer powers to a new Justice Department for Northern Ireland by early May, meeting a Sinn Fein demand for a fixed date before the British election.

The next British general election is widely expected to take place that month.

The Democratic Unionists insist they're not delaying any agreement in hopes of a Conservative Party victory, but they have set many conditions for accepting the transfer of justice powers.

They want to overhaul how Northern Ireland's summertime parades by the Orange Order, a hard-line Protestant brotherhood, are managed, so that banned parades near traditionally hostile Catholic turf can resume.

Catholic opposition to such Protestant demonstrations of power fueled Northern Ireland's descent into civil war in the late 1960s. Northern Ireland suffered widespread rioting again in the 1990s when Catholic militants sought to block Protestant parades from passing Sinn Fein strongholds.

Britain responded by forming a Parades Commission that barred the Orange Order from its most bitterly contested routes. This has greatly reduced rioting over the past decade.

The Democratic Unionists, whose leaders are mostly Orangemen, now want Britain to shut the Parades Commission and reverse parade restrictions. McGuinness said Sinn Fein would never accept this.

"We have displayed extraordinary patience and commitment over the past 18 months as we sought to persuade the Democratic Unionist Party to be partners of progress," McGuinness said. "(Making) the abolition of the Parades Commission a precondition for the transfer of powers on policing and justice flies in the face of all that."

The compromise plan calls for the Parades Commission to remain, but a new tier of mediators would try to broker local agreements over parade routes between Orangemen and anti-Orange groups.

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02:49 PM on 01/28/2010
Religion strikes another blow against peace and tranquility!!!

And no one's surprised.....
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05:12 PM on 01/30/2010
DeSwiss,
...Ah, it's so easy to over-simplify a complex political issue to justify your own biases, isn't it?
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05:57 AM on 01/28/2010
The Unionists have to be stood-up-to. They, the british government, and SInn Fein negotiated a three-way deal with a clearly defined process by which Sinn Fein would become an ordinary political party and take full part in the northern Irish political process. In exchange, Sinn Fein/the IRA renounced violence and destroyed their weapons. Now, the Unionists want to reneg AFTER Sinn Fein has already carried out their end of the deal.

The Unionists have discovered that they can unilaterally rescind this agreement by threatening to freak out. When the IRA disarmed, it gave the Unionists the only thing they wanted from the peace agreement. They have nothing more to gain by upholding their end of the agreement, and nothing to lose by walking away.
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semantics shamantics
07:49 AM on 01/28/2010
My guess is the stall is simply an excuse for more money/power for NI. These guys are power hungry politicians, not nationalists.
05:05 AM on 01/28/2010
"They think they have pacified Ireland. They think that they have purchased half of us and intimidated the other half. They think they have foreseen everything, think that they provided against everything; but the fools, the fools, the fools! - they have left us our Fenian dead, and while Ireland holds these graves, Ireland unfree shall never be at peace". - Padraig Pearse
09:04 AM on 01/28/2010
Maith go leor!
01:45 AM on 01/28/2010
“They (the Unionists) want to overhaul how Northern Ireland's summertime parades by the Orange Order, a hard-line Protestant brotherhood, are managed, so that banned parades near traditionally hostile Catholic turf can resume.”
When will they ever learn?
This is the equivalent of letting the US cavalry hold a commemoration parade through a Sioux reservation every year to celebrate the victory at Wounded Knee.
The real issue is not the PSNI but the role – and control - of the Security Service (MI5), the Secret Intelligence Service (MI6) and the Government's Communications Headquarters (GCHQ) in Northern Ireland. The Nationalists want them out, out, out (to borrow from Margret Thatcher’s response to an earlier peace imitative) and the Unionists want them to remain.
So far, neither side has complained about the CIA’s presence.
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11:58 PM on 01/27/2010
I would hope that Sinn Fein would be able to produce leaders from among them who are held in high regard both by Irish Catholics and Protestants. I would look to those in Sinn Fein who are mostly concerned with cultural preservation and not connected with militant activities under bad rules of engagement.

Sinn Fein should be defined by language and culture, not militant attitudes. I would like it if England and all political factions within Ireland could safely disregard concerns about the menace of that era defined by terrorism and crushing overuse of force.
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Forester
Foresters do it in the woods.
09:06 PM on 01/27/2010
brits out.
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deluk
hot mess...
05:50 AM on 01/28/2010
So why don't you travel to Northern Ireland and ask the protestant majority (of Scottish descent) to leave? Don't youthink Britain would love to have got "out" decades ago?
09:14 AM on 01/28/2010
They should NOT be asked to leave: They're Irish... Even if some of them don't realize that they are

They learn quickly enough if they go to England and find that, just as are nationalists, they're "thick Paddies"

For centuries the English/British government has played the Orange card, assuring them that they're better off with "Mother England", counting on an attitude of "tuppence ha'penny looks down on tuppence"

In reality, the Eire Nua program of Republican Sinn Fein holds the best hope for the future of ALL of Ireland

BTW, I've been to the North. Have YOU? (I've never met an Englishman who said "You should go...", who has ever been!)
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lainey
Always remember Troy Davis.
08:37 PM on 01/27/2010
God bless the people of Ireland. They have proven to be a model of peace and I hope they will continue to do so. As one of Irish descent, I am praying that the leaders remember the peace they have lived with these past years and press forward with more of it.
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deluk
hot mess...
01:48 PM on 01/28/2010
Well...Let's just bless them as humanists and forget the "God"" bit. He/she hasn't done much for them in the past, a potato famine, the British, a plague of priests....
02:01 PM on 01/28/2010
Famine?

The potato crop failed... Throughout Europe

German peasants, as dependent upon the potato as the Irish didn't starve: They had German rulers

Russian peasants, as dependent upon the potato as the Irish, didmn't starve: They had Russian rulers

If one-sixth of the food - wheat, barley, cheese, butter, meat, etc. - which was exported from Ireland under the protection of armed British soldiers had remained in Ireland there would have been no starvation

Do you think it just a coincidance that there was less hunger in English-speaking districts than in the Gaeltachtai? Did the "famine" care if one spoke English or Irish? No, but Lord John Russel (Curse his memory!) certainly did!
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Snafu
My dog rules!
08:31 PM on 01/27/2010
Ní siocháin go saoirse !!!
07:54 PM on 01/27/2010
Let them fight it out for another decade or so. Bloody and violent. When they become again tired, they will stop fighting.
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
07:33 PM on 01/27/2010
Who deluded themselves into thinking that there would be any progress as long as England gets to occupy Northern Ireland?
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Forester
Foresters do it in the woods.
09:09 PM on 01/27/2010
Now that King Phillip of Spain is no longer threatening a Catholic invasion of England, perhaps its time to dismantle the plantations and send the brits home?
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01:50 AM on 01/28/2010
About as likely as the Anglo settlers leaving Texas and returning it to Mexico ........
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deluk
hot mess...
05:52 AM on 01/28/2010
I's the Scots who are occupying Northern Ireland, but that doesn't sound as good from your side of the pond does it?
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Foresters do it in the woods.
12:36 PM on 01/28/2010
Who stole the land and "planted" the Scots and Brit Prods there deluk?
Ulster is in the UK, not the Republic of Ireland.
Doesn't sound so good from your side of the pond does it?
01:03 PM on 01/28/2010
.bbbbut, deluk.... I can see NI from my croft on St Kilda... so there!
06:51 PM on 01/27/2010
God must look down upon his beloved Green Isle and think...."Time for another flood...."
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Politics is fun to watch.
08:16 PM on 01/27/2010
As a person who lives there, f*** you.
09:22 AM on 01/28/2010
Sin ceart!
01:09 PM on 01/28/2010
Póg Mo Thóin !!!
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04:43 PM on 01/27/2010
I think inter-marriage between Catholics and Protestants may, in a few generations, help to lessen the political conflict.
05:23 PM on 01/27/2010
Sweet -- if they could even get to the altar in the first place.
Google Bernadette Martin (just an example)
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11:52 AM on 01/28/2010
I just read about her. It is very sad, very, very sad. There are mixed couples who do not suffer such fates, though, as witnessed by my cousin's in-laws, who live in the North, are Catholic, and have married Protestant men. There is some hope amidst the tragedy.
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01:32 PM on 01/27/2010
I don't see the issue of Northern Ireland resolved in this lifetime. It is sad for Catholics and Protestants both. Think of how much they could accomplish united.
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12:47 PM on 01/27/2010
The way the Irish act - Protestants and Catholicsalike - make me ashamed to be Irish......they live in one of the most blessed countries in the world - and all they can do is to blatantly divide the country further - whether it is Ireland or Northern Ireland......when you think of all the gifted, talented, and skilled people who have been slaughtered by one side or the other - it truly makes you want to weep......and the majority of the tragedies can be laid at the steps of the churches - both Catholic and Protestant!

Ireland's politics is Religion - and their religion is Politics.....

My gramma used to sing this to me - and forever, no matter all the sadness in Ireland - this is how I will always think of it.....

Sure, a little bit o' Heaven
fell from out of the sky one day,
And nestled on the ocean
in a spot so far away;
And the angels found it,
sure it looked so sweet and fair.
They said suppose we leave it,
for it looks so peaceful there!
So they sprinkled it with stardust
Just to make the shamrocks grow;
'Tis the only place you'll find them,
No matter where you go;
Then they dotted it with silver
To make its lakes so grand,
And when they had it finished
Sure, they called it IRELAND
01:01 PM on 01/27/2010
Sounds like you are overdue for a visit to to the 'old country'. You appear to know nothing about the place.
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Caru
Politics is fun to watch.
01:10 PM on 01/27/2010
Know anything about Irish History, do you? Britain partitioned the country and religion has less to do with the problems than Unionism and Nationalism.
12:46 PM on 01/27/2010
Commenting... on that war is not the answer.. Ye who have not lived there, cannot see deeper where the rip really is. Goes beyond "war" goes beyond power. In the days of bernadette, life was not without horror and the borders were desperate. It will take a few more decades to heal the old wounds, purge them out of the generations to come but in the end the tri-color needs to fly over the whole of our island, and we need to share the land.
03:03 PM on 01/28/2010
Maith go leor!

But those of us who know Bernadette are probably in the minority here!
03:04 PM on 01/28/2010
Oh, and fanned!