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The Myth Of The 'Permanent Bailout Fund'

First Posted: 04/03/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:25 PM ET

Financial Overhaul
Spencer Bachus

Conservative message-maker Frank Luntz's latest memo, which lays out a rhetorical strategy for Republicans to defeat financial regulatory reform legislation, includes a dishonest talking point that's been around since before the bill came out of the House Financial Services Committee. It's the myth that the bill creates a "permanent bailout fund" to prop up failed banks.

It's the financial reform version of the "death panel" lie that Republicans used so effectively to drive the public against health insurance reform.

During floor debate in December, Rep. Jerry Moran (R-Kan.) railed against a "a permanent, TARP-like bailout authority." Rep. Ed Royce (R-Calif.) said, "For the first time in history, Congress is authorizing perpetual bailout authority." Said Rep. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), "Rather than ending the bailouts, this legislation institutionalizes them." And so on.

But it's just not true. The bill does set up a large fund, but the money is to be used to take big banks apart if necessary, not keep them propped up.

The bill gives the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation new authority to dismantle failed financial institutions that pose a systemic risk to the rest of the system, a process that would be paid for with a $150 billion "dissolution fund." The money would come from fees paid by those companies that are so large that their uncontrolled failure could tank the economy. The bill requires any taxpayer money to be paid back to the Treasury before creditors see a dime. It requires unsecured creditors to take a loss, and the FDIC is required to ensure board members and management "responsible for the failed condition of the covered financial company [are] removed."

The bill does allow the dissolution fund to borrow up to $150 billion from the Treasury, and more if it can get congressional approval. So taxpayer money could be used -- but to wind down a failed institution, not bail it out. If heads roll and creditors lose their money, that's hardly a bailout.

Republicans wanted a new chapter of the bankruptcy code instead.

Luntz, in his memo to help Republicans win elections, wrote that "a vote in favor of creating a permanent bailout fund of private companies is like committing political hari-kari. Frankly, the single best way to kill any legislation is to link it to the Big Bank Bailout." Luntz encourages Republicans to hammer away at that term.

Rep. Luis Gutierrez (D-Ill.) reacted to the "bailout fund" claim during debate on the House floor. He quipped that he isn't the best English speaker, but he'd compensated for his language skills.

"I've had the bill thoroughly examined by those who do speak the English language and have only spoken the English language all their life, and they cannot find the bailout fund in the bill," he said.

HuffPost asked Luntz where to find that language in the bill. "It is in the fine print of the legislation in stuff that was added to the House effort that the Senate has been talking about whether it will keep or not keep it," he said.

HuffPost readers: Can you find the bailout fund? Click here for a PDF of the bill.

Steve Adamske, a spokesman for Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.), chairman of the banking committee, said the Luntz memo proves that the Republican strategy "is to lie through their teeth."

"In the House legislation, we set up a fund that is paid for by the industry that only is spent to stop the collateral damage to the financial system from a failing firm," Adamske wrote in an email to HuffPost. "But a systemically failing firm is given a death sentence by the House bill: shareholders are wiped out, management is fired, and creditors take a hit, and every employee that is not needed to wind down the company will get to spend much more time with their families."

Frank had another term for the dissolution authority in the fall. "We will be providing a mechanism for putting non-bank financial institutions out of everybody's misery," said Frank. "There will be death panels enacted by this Congress, but they will be for non-bank financial institutions that will not be considered too big to die."

With reporting by Sam Stein.

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Conservative message-maker Frank Luntz's latest memo, which lays out a rhetorical strategy for Republicans to defeat financial regulatory reform legislation, includes a dishonest talking point that's...
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CarolinaYankee
03:02 PM on 02/02/2010
All fact checking is always done on stations that these people do not listen to, they watch the fair and balanced station, and they do not fact check.
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Lorianne
ama vitam
02:25 PM on 02/02/2010
Dem. senators [and candidates] spent weekend with bank, energy, tobacco lobbyists

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0210/Dem_senators_spent_weekend_with_bank_energy_tobacco_lobbyists.html?showall
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
alvdh1
01:16 PM on 02/02/2010
Creating myths, lies, fears, hate and anything else they can invent is the Republican Party Platforn. MSM either doesn't report on it or fact check it. The population at large just goblles it up when the myths and lies are repeated over and over until they seem to take on the elegance of fact in public opinion. Not a single proposal/bill has been put forth by the Republican leadership that has an ounce of credibilty. The ThugRepug's are backing away from numerous proposals offered by Dem's that were once wholly supported by the ThugRepug's and now they are even saying no to this legislation because Obama is for it.

No they are employing the likes of Frank Luntz who is a part time pollster/focus group myth propagator as their point man to devise even more deception for the ThugRepugs to create even more fear among the week mined who repeatedly get convinced by the fear tactics to vote against their own interests.

I am planning to have the Fox News Channels removed from my TV as a protest. Does anyone want to join the party?
12:18 PM on 02/02/2010
This kind of proof needs to be out on UTube and twitter (well you know what I mean) not just here on a liberal site. The people need to see this stuff. The GOP and conservatives need to be confronted everytime and on national TV so the nation gets to see it. I pity the people who think Fox news is telling them the truth. I know people that swear by them simply because they are a "News" show. There are still people out there that think Iraq was resonsible for 9/11. It is sad.
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ramman
12:26 PM on 02/02/2010
This most definitely needs to be on Youtube.
12:07 PM on 02/02/2010
There's nothing repugs hate more than a fact check. When your platform is built on a steaming pile of excrement keeping it in the dark is essential...
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ramman
12:01 PM on 02/02/2010
With this obvious deliberate manipulation of trying to trick and steer people from the truth, how can Independents remotely trust republican leaders with anything they say. Or do they just like being manipulated? This is the typical common practice they live by and you people still keep their eyes
closed to the truth and give their vote away like in Mass. not to long ago. Come on people wake up.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
sf girl
I like my micro-bio empty.
10:24 AM on 02/02/2010
Never trust a man who wears roadkill on his head.
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Hurried Harry
10:12 AM on 02/02/2010
I'm curious, what more will need to happen before the American people decide to take back their country from corporate control? And what method(s) will prove most effective in accomplishing that task?
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kathy001
Don't bogart that duck
12:12 PM on 02/02/2010
This time last month I would have said campaign finance reform would be the most effective method to keep the corporations out of Congress. Unfortunately, the Supreme Court has pretty much tanked that idea.
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Hurried Harry
01:43 PM on 02/02/2010
I am starting to think that we are all just wanting someone else to fix it for us. Problem is, that isn't going to happen. I say that, because most times when I post information about where to volunteer or an idea about what could come together and do, I rarely get a response. Yet, when a "troll" comes on here to bash the left, everybody jumps in with rants and insults. It seems that most people are only dedicated to focusing on the other side and not working with their side to improve the situation. The tea party crowd is gaining in their momentum, which unfortunately for them and us, is the wrong direction. But, should they succeed in taking us that direction, it will be our own fault for letting it happen. Of course, it will only be a matter of a few more years after that before they realize what they did to themselves but I don't want to wait that long. Even the groups I have signed up to volunteer with are disjointed and not motivated to do much besides petitions and phone calls. After the Supreme Court ruling, I thought certainly we would be motivated as a group to display public outrage. But nothing. NADA. Some Op Eds, that's about it. I am starting to think I may as well stop trying to help make a difference and just sit back and"enjoy" the drama as it unfolds like a bad horror movie.
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HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
blisster
Need more micro-bio fuel for my mitochondria
09:13 AM on 02/02/2010
I love these guys In Flagrante Delicto, from the boardroom to the bedroom
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Lorianne
ama vitam
02:27 PM on 02/02/2010
Dem. senators [and candidates] spent weekend with bank, energy, tobacco lobbyists

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0210/Dem_senators_spent_weekend_with_bank_energy_tobacco_lobbyists.html?showall”
Shikamaru
Mura Murashimas! -Kondo
03:12 PM on 02/02/2010
Did you see whom the Republicans are in bed with? We're aware of the sin tax party, but are you aware that 1/2 of your reps are in bed with the Health Care industry, The Auto Industry as well as the financial industry.

You're waaaaaaay behind if you think you're on to something new, or think we weren't aware. You're dealing with liberals now. You've been spamming this for two days now. Here let me help. Most liberals already know these things... why, you ask?

www.opensecrets.org

give it a whirl.
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blisster
Need more micro-bio fuel for my mitochondria
03:35 PM on 02/02/2010
The Dems are playing in the bush league compared to how the Repubs fleece and scam this system.
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MartyJo
If the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off.
08:50 AM on 02/02/2010
The GOP is the working class #1 en.emy. They keep shi.iting all over the middle class to cater to the wealthy. I'm quite sure all them teabaggin/rethugs are not millionaires. So the conclusion has to be they are all mentally disabled. They'd have to be to vote against themselves.
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pgobrien
08:25 AM on 02/02/2010
Well, there you are. In the guise of giving a damn about the common taxpayer, they're protecting giant banks from a law that would have the teeth to dismantle them if they acted badly. You think a Republican is going to support a bill that holds a rich banker accountable? Hah!
04:34 AM on 02/02/2010
The next GOP lie about this bill: There will be a commission created that if you don't vote Democratic in the next election, the CIA will come to yo momma's house and mercilessly punch her in the gut.
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kathy001
Don't bogart that duck
12:13 PM on 02/02/2010
LOL! I'd like to see them try that with my Mamma. She'd punch 'em right back. She's one tough ole bird.
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senorlou
03:23 AM on 02/02/2010
Let's face it. Republicans are gross. I don't know about you, but I'm going to catch Obama's q&a from last weekend one more time.
02:23 AM on 02/02/2010
The TARP fund was supposed to be used to buy troubled assets. Very little of it was used for that purpose. The latest iteration of the invalid spending of TARP is Obama's plan to use it for small business loans.

If TARP can be misused and abused then why should we believe that any similar fund will not be misused and abused?
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Poiks
02:46 AM on 02/02/2010
How about this: instead of asking questions, make your point.
05:33 AM on 02/02/2010
I am sorry. I thought my point was obvious. Let me rephrase it for you.

TARP was and is being misuse and abuse by the same people who will be controlling this new fund. They will most likely misuse and abuse this fund also.
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xlntcat
03:36 AM on 02/02/2010
Tarp has virtually all been repaid. It is obvious that you still do not know that buying toxic assets turned out to be a toxic proposition. The toxic assets could not be valued as they were mortgage backed securities that had no real concrete values. The consisted of partial pieces of mortgages that had been sold all over the world, not clear titles to actual property.

Regardless of how you feel about Paulsen, he was on CNBC today and stated that no one should ever again be put in the position he and others were put in during the fall of 2008 as Congress had failed to enact laws that gave anyone the authority to regulate any of the toxic assets and they still haven't. Nothing has changed except that Boehner and Cantor have padded the pockets with your tax dollars courtesy of the bailed out banks. Now they are the only one, but they were greedily taking the money within weeks of the bail out.
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LiberalScoop
Get thee my long sword Hope!
03:50 AM on 02/02/2010
Right. And just as Obama pointed out at the republican retreat the other night, Boehner and Cantor, and just about every other republican were only too happy to grab their state's share of the TARP funds even after they trashed Obama for releasing them.
I've already added that one to the long list of why republicans suck and are so bad for the country.
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Dnlmsstch
too much for so few words
08:25 AM on 02/02/2010
Not true congress had given power to the federal reserve to regualte and unwinde the finacial institutions - but if the fed and tresury had used this power all their friends would have lost a ton of money and power (becasue every firm that recieved a bail out would have had to be riped appart - which in my oppinion is what they shoudl have done)

What congress had not created is a way to save the companies - from the managers mistakes, which is what paulson wanted
01:09 AM on 02/02/2010
Why isn't the mainstream media digging around in the Lutz closet?