iPhone app iPad app Android phone app Android tablet app More

Mike Mullen Calls For Repealing 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell': 'Right Thing To Do'

ANNE FLAHERTY   02/ 2/10 10:43 PM ET   AP

Mullen

WASHINGTON — It's time to repeal the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy and allow gay troops to serve openly for the first time in history, the nation's top defense officials declared Tuesday, with the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff proclaiming that service members should not be forced to "lie about who they are."

However, both Defense Secretary Robert Gates and Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen asked for a year to study the impact before Congress would lift the controversial policy.

Reversing the Pentagon's 17-year-old policy toward gays "comes down to integrity," for the military as an institution as well as the service members themselves, Mullen told a Senate hearing. Unpersuaded, several Republican senators said they would oppose any congressional effort to repeal the policy.

Ten months before voters elect a new Congress, some Democratic leaders also were leery of trying to change the policy this year, when both sides concede Republicans are likely to pick up seats, especially after GOP Sen.-elect Scott Brown's surprise victory last month in Massachusetts.

Repealing don't-ask-don't-tell is not a winning campaign strategy for a party under siege especially in the South and Midwest.

"What do I want members to do in their districts? I want them to focus on jobs and fiscal responsibility," said House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., classifying gays in the military in a category of "a lot of other issues" that will invariably come up.

"It's never a good year" for Democrats to bring up the controversial policy, said Senate Democratic Whip Dick Durbin of Illinois. "You can expect that it's going to be a rough ride."

However, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said he didn't see why it should wait another year.

The Pentagon announced an 11-month review of how the ban could be lifted, as President Barack Obama has said he will work to do. But there is no deadline for ending the policy that dates to President Bill Clinton's tenure and that gay rights advocates are pressing to overturn.

In the meantime, Gates announced plans to loosen enforcement rules for the policy, which says, in essence, that gays may serve so long as they keep their sexuality private.

Obama has called for repeal but has done little in his first year in office to advance that goal. If he succeeds, it would mark the biggest shake-up to military personnel policies since President Harry S. Truman's 1948 executive order integrating the services.

Homosexuality has never been openly tolerated in the American military, and the 1993 policy was intended to be a compromise that let gay men and women serve so long as they stayed silent about their sexuality. Clinton had wanted to repeal the ban entirely, but the military and many in Congress argued that doing so would dangerously disrupt order.

Repealing the ban would take an act of Congress, something that does not appear close to happening.

Since 'don't ask, don't tell" was established, much has changed. Five states and the District of Columbia have adopted laws permitting marriage of gay couples, while nine other states have granted similar rights to gay domestic partners.

The public's attitude toward gays and lesbians also has undergone a significant shift. A Pew poll last year indicated that 59 percent of Americans favor allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military, up from 52 percent in 1994.

On Tuesday, several Democratic senators praised Mullen and Gates for what they said was courageous stance, but a number of Republicans spoke strongly against the idea of a repeal.

Gates drew unusually pointed criticism from Republicans on the Senate Armed Services Committee for saying the review would examine how, not whether, to repeal the ban. Arizona Sen. John McCain, the top Republican on the panel, icily told Gates he was disappointed in his position and suggested the Pentagon was usurping Congress' job.

"Has this policy been ideal? No, it has not," McCain said. "But it has been effective."

Mullen looked pained when Sen. Jeff Sessions, R-Ala., suggested that the Joint Chiefs chairman had preordained the outcome of any study by signaling his own opposition to the ban.

"This is about leadership, and I take that very, very seriously," Mullen replied, tightlipped.

Tuesday's session gave Obama high-level cover on a divisive social issue complicated by the strains on an all-volunteer military force fighting two wars.

Gates, who says he is a Republican, is the only member of former President George W. Bush's Cabinet whom Obama asked to stay on. He has gained a reputation for both candor and caution. Mullen's words were a forceful endorsement from a careful man, and his very appearance, starched uniform and four stars on view, made a statement as well.

Gates said change was inevitable and called for a yearlong internal study into how it would occur.

He told the senators he understood that any change in the law was up to them. But he made it clear he believes it is time to do away with the 1993 policy, and by implication the outright ban on gay service that preceded it. Alongside Mullen, that put the Pentagon's top leadership at odds with uniformed leaders a rung or two below, as well as with and also with senior members of Congress.

"No matter how I look at the issue," Mullen said, "I cannot escape being troubled by the fact that we have in place a policy which forces young men and women to lie about who they are in order to defend their fellow citizens." Noting that he was speaking for himself and not for the other service chiefs, Mullen added: "For me, it comes down to integrity – theirs as individuals and ours as an institution."

Gates has appointed a four-star Army general, Carter Ham, and his own chief legal counsel, Jeh Johnson, to conduct the assessment. He also has requested legal advice on how the military can relax enforcement standards of the current policy.

McCain, the ranking Republican on the panel, bristled at the Pentagon decision to pursue the study, saying he was "deeply disappointed" and calling the assessment "clearly biased" in presuming the law should be changed.

For their part, Democrats hailed the internal review but suggested they wouldn't wait too long. Sen. Carl Levin, the committee's chairman and a Michigan Democrat who has long opposed the ban, said he was considering legislation this year that would temporarily suspend dismissals of gays under the current policy until a full repeal could be passed.

Democrat Mark Udall said his Colorado constituents pride themselves on allowing others to live and let live.

"You don't have to be straight to shoot straight," said Udall, quoting longtime Arizona Republican Sen. Barry Goldwater.

The tenor of the hearings could change significantly when lawmakers hear from other senior military officials. Each of the service chiefs is expected to testify this month on his 2011 budget, and Marine Corps Commandant Gen. James Conway is said to have serious concerns about the upheaval that a change to "don't ask, don't tell" could cause.

Rep. Ike Skelton, a conservative Democrat from Missouri who chairs the House Armed Services Committee, says he thinks it would be ill-advised to pursue such a major shake-up at a time when forces are consumed by the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Mullen said it was his sense that rank-and-file troops would support the change.

"I have served with homosexuals since 1968," Mullen said in response to questions from Republican Sen. Sessions. "There are a number of things cumulatively that get me to this position."

Scott Duane Fair, a former Army helicopter flight engineer, voiced his strong objection to repeal in a comment posted on the Army's official Facebook page, saying straight service members shouldn't be forced to share sleeping quarters and showers with those who are openly gay.

In a phone interview, 30-year-old Fair said he had a troubling experience as a young private when a higher-ranking soldier propositioned him in a California barracks room. Fair said he reported the incident to commanders, who took no action.

"For somebody to go around flaunting their sexuality is going to make a lot of people more uncomfortable," said Fair, who left the Army in 2001 because of a disability.

On the other hand, Jason Jonas, a 28-year-old former Army staff sergeant from Tempe, Ariz., said he knew of openly gay soldiers in his intelligence unit at Fort Bragg, but their lifestyle never affected unit morale.

"I don't think it is anybody's right to say who can and who can't fight for their country," said Jonas, who served in Afghanistan before being hurt. He is no longer in the Army. "Nobody cares. Don't ask, don't tell is kind of a joke."

As for the leaders of the study:

_ Ham is a former enlisted infantryman who rose through the ranks to eventually command troops in northern Iraq in 2004 and hold senior positions within the Joint Staff. Recently, he helped conduct an investigation into the shootings at Fort Hood in Texas.

_ Johnson, as the Pentagon's top legal counsel, has played an integral role into the effort to try to close the military prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

___

Associated Press writers Laurie Kellman in Washington, Kevin Maurer in Wilmington, N.C., and Russ Bynum in Savannah, Ga., contributed to this report.

FOLLOW HUFFPOST POLITICS
Subscribe to the HuffPost Hill newsletter!
WASHINGTON — It's time to repeal the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy and allow gay troops to serve openly for the first time in history, the nation's top defense officials declared Tue...
WASHINGTON — It's time to repeal the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy and allow gay troops to serve openly for the first time in history, the nation's top defense officials declared Tue...
Filed by Michael Falcone  | 
 
 
  • Comments
  • 6,851
  • Pending Comments
  • 0
  • View FAQ
Comments are closed for this entry
View All
Favorites
Highlights
Bloggers
Recency  | 
Popularity
Page: 1 2 3 4 5  Next ›  Last »  (98 total)
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
TwinX
Avast Ye, Birthers!
09:49 PM on 03/23/2010
Of COURSE it's the right thing to do.

Anyone who disagrees may as well stop! Just stop with your nonsense!

I suspect Mike Mullen knows (like my father 60 years before him, and like my brothers 20 years ago), that Gay men and lesbians have served with valour in the military for hundreds of years.
01:03 PM on 02/04/2010
Some of the posts by people on this subject are astounding in their idiocy.

What is exceptionally appalling to me is that the majority of the people who are opposing the repeal of DADT don't have the stones to actually join the military themselves. But they somehow think they have the right to tell people who HAVE enlisted how they have to act while they are protecting these same pampered, right-wing shills.

Here's a novel idea. If you don't have the balls to join & serve then YOU don't get to tell the soldiers how they have to behave while they're laying their lives on the line for your @$$. Period.

And before any of you go off about "see - libruls only believe in free speech if it applies to them", just shut your pie-hole & consider how hypocritical that statement would actually be. YOU, who are trying to tell homosexual service members what they can say & what they can't say, are actually going to tell me I'm against free speech?

I'm ex-military & I can honestly say that I'd rather have a platoon's worth of openly gay soldiers that I can trust with my life and will fight by my side than a battalion's worth of you people who are more worried about whether the person is a homosexual or not and whether they're keeping their mouth shut about it.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
sprtakis69
Shouldn't all people be entitled to Equal rights?
01:39 PM on 02/04/2010
Like they say - if you're in a war you want some who thinks our @ss is cute protecting you cuz they will fight for your life!

I forget what comedian said that, but he made me laugh when he did.

I'm glad you said what you said though because I've been saying the same thing and I feel it also applies to politicians (including John Boehner who only served 8 wks in the Navy).

I drives me nuts to hear people tell me repealing DADT is not what the military wants/needs when the person speaking has NEVER served this country!

You did go one step further though when you said

"see - libruls only believe in free speech if it applies to them", just shut your pie-hole & consider how hypocritical that statement would actually be. YOU, who are trying to tell homosexual service members what they can say & what they can't say, are actually going to tell me I'm against free speech?"

Which is a VERY VERY good point!

FAV'd!
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
06:33 PM on 02/03/2010
Good grief. A lot of people are what iffing what already is and has been for a long time.
I served with all kinds of people from all over the US, Puerto Rico, and the Phillipines. And some were gays. It never made a bit of difference. Nobody cared. We had serious work to take care of so as to go home safely some day. It's a done deal. Adapt.
libertyanne
Red-haired Freedom lover
05:00 PM on 02/03/2010
At the hearing yesterday Flipper McCain danced in the water round and round. He's quoted as saying
that as soon as the military leaders support changing the law he'll be for it too.
I guess he thought they would always be homophobic idiots.
SURPRIZE!!!!
02:53 PM on 02/03/2010
People need to understand that you can't try to run the military the way you run civilian organizations. I 'm retired active duty Air Force.
The key issue that I feel gets overlooked is this; currently the military has separate ladies and men’s facilities, ie dorms, restrooms, showers, etc., if gays are allowed to be “open”, then there will have to be “gay male”, “gay female”, “straight male”, straight female”, “bisexual male”, “bisexual female”, etc. facilities. Otherwise, why not drop the separate facilities and let whoever is attracted to whoever share the same facilities? That “can of worms” does not need to be opened!!! It's not about if gays can accomplish the mission--how you elect to peform in bed has little to do with your ability to do your job--that said, military is not the place for open homosexuals, nor is it the place for adulterers, pedifiles, etc.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
Ravan A
On the internet, no one knows you're a housecat
04:10 PM on 02/03/2010
Why do you supposed straights automatically assume that we are going to be attracted to you? Is there something you aren't facing, or are you just that vain? Do you realize that all through high school and the service you showered and slept near gays and never knew it? Why - because you weren't interesting to them!

Oh, and adultery tends to be a hetero malignancy these days. You can't commit adultery without being married, after all. Also, most pedos seem to be otherwise hetero, or priests. The fact that you lump the two in with gays spells out your bias, and lack of informed opinion.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
zetacplus
Conservatism has failed America
08:15 PM on 02/03/2010
Anyone who has issues with being around gay people are not comfortable with their own sexuality. Think about it, why would they cause such a ruckus? Many of my straight friends take it as a compliment when a gay guy notices them, some of them think it's cute. Some of my straight friends have even said that they have thought about doing something with another guy but have never acted on it. Some of them have acted on it but realized it wasn't for them. Gay people don't go around trying to get into bed with straight guys but most straight guys who think that gays will be all over them are insecure with their own sexuality. I read an article not long ago where this big fat guy was complaining how he didn't want gay guys hitting on him lol, all I could think of was wow, stop kidding yourself. I don't know where they get these stupid ideas from. For the most part nothing will change, except make our country and military stronger.
photo
dim
one in a can
02:18 AM on 02/04/2010
"military is not the place for the place for open homosexuals, nor is it the place for adulterers, pedifiles, etc."

I presume the "etc." stands for bigots.
09:23 AM on 02/03/2010
It's Congress that must act to change the law not Obama. So Obama can get out whatever message sounds best without dealing with any real change. Yes, change. That word! It's so wonderful as an abstract idea. So the end of don't ask, don't tell, won't happen. There's not a chance in hell the Democrats will do anything for at least a year.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
NeoConsAreFinished
Fight the Ah mer I cun talibanned
07:44 AM on 02/05/2010
Actually Obama can immediately order the military to freeze dont ask dont tell and congress has nothing to say about it.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
BacSi
Celer, Silens, Mortalis
09:01 AM on 02/03/2010
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_M._Gray,_Jr.

General Al Gray.

Not only a true legend within the Corps, one of the toughest, fightingest Marines ever. And one who has helped in a very major way form the current hard charging, tough fighting, modern USMC Marine Corps.

No one but no one was more looked up to by young officer warriors and enlisted men.

One of the best Marines ever.

A tip of the hat to a true fighting man

Nuff said I think
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
BacSi
Celer, Silens, Mortalis
09:08 AM on 02/03/2010
http://www.apus.edu/leadership/bios/gray.htm

Sorry that link I posted only takes you to another link. And the bio I tried to pull up my computer did not like.

This tells you a "little" about this great Marine.

Although not all
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
sprtakis69
Shouldn't all people be entitled to Equal rights?
12:43 PM on 02/03/2010
Did I miss something? Why are you talking about Gen Gray?
08:14 AM on 02/03/2010
How many tens of thousands of servicemen and women will fail to reenlist (or ever enlist) because of Obama lifting DADT? Yes, you may get a few thousand more gays in uniform. You might even get one or two gays in critical jobs. You will however lose a lot of straight troops and gays do not have the numbers to make up the losees.
Second point: America is too damn PC. Gays will run wild in the military and those in command will be afraid to discipline them for fear of being labelled a homophobe and hurting their careers.
You don't believe me? That's exactly why the Fort Hood Shooter was allowed to continue his behaviour for years before the shooting.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
BacSi
Celer, Silens, Mortalis
09:22 AM on 02/03/2010
19 year old men and women will also run wild in the military if there is not a code of conduct that is enforced.

And trust me those straight boys and girls of a young age in uniform (and many times not so young) have had more than a few on base encounters and large group sessions.

But good NCO's, rules you are expected to follow, punishment if you do not follow-----all of this makes things work.

And this comes from someone who not only served, served in extensive combat, and did so along side gay Marines.

Although it might have been many years later that I learned of their orientation.

Funny how you could go out on missions with someone that was gay, sleep along side someone that was gay for over a year, shower with someone that was gay, end up in more than a few fire fights with them-----and still not know they were gay.

Your argument is both bogus and silly. As well as an insult to those serving in uniform.
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
BacSi
Celer, Silens, Mortalis
09:24 AM on 02/03/2010
I am guessing here but based on my own real time experience I would say that gays can keep their zipper zipped just as well as straight people when they are on the clock.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
sprtakis69
Shouldn't all people be entitled to Equal rights?
12:44 PM on 02/03/2010
I know I always kept my 13 buttons buttoned!
11:13 AM on 02/05/2010
I doubt that is true. If gay men could behave themselves then they would not be the largest group with AIDs (an entirely preventable disease) in America despite being one of the smallest demagraphics.
photo
HUFFPOST PUNDIT
saint bernard mom
and Newfie Gram ♥spay♥neuter♥adopt♥
04:24 AM on 02/03/2010
"If he succeeds, it would mark the biggest shake-up to military personnel policies since President Harry S. Truman's 1948 executive order integrating the services."

I disagree with this statement. We went thru the same arguments when they let women in the service in the 70's. Prior to this women were integrated in special units and all heck broke loose about combining them into regular active duty services and schools. And that worked out just fine. If a person can do a job, there is no reason they shouldn't.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
free thinker 3-5-7
04:02 AM on 02/03/2010
I retract my former comments that about needing to wait to repeal DADT. I still think that the Equal Opportunity system in the military will need to be revamped and there needs to be mandatory training for service member on adapting to this change but I say repeal it and repeal it now
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
KrautMan
Carpe jugulum
03:36 AM on 02/03/2010
As far as I'm concerned every person who is willing to serve in illegal and unjustified wars of aggression is a murderer, regardless of his/her sexual preferences. You guys fight over the right of homosexuals to openly serve in that capacity, which is kinda bizarre.
photo
dim
one in a can
02:29 AM on 02/04/2010
Totally with you, except most of them have little clue as to the true purpose of our wars.
This user has chosen to opt out of the Badges program
photo
KrautMan
Carpe jugulum
09:59 AM on 02/04/2010
But don't you think that if people think about choosing a career that might involve killing other human beings have an obligation to get a clue?
02:19 AM on 02/03/2010
I wonder why GOP will let criminals in the Military but not law a biding gays?
I think it is coz most of the rethugs are closet gays and DADT will help them stay in the closet.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
sprtakis69
Shouldn't all people be entitled to Equal rights?
11:56 AM on 02/03/2010
"I think it is coz most of the rethugs are closet gays and DADT will help them stay in the closet."

Or do they just feel like criminals are part of their family?
02:14 AM on 02/03/2010
As long as the don't act like little sissy girls , I ...........guess its ......ok.
02:22 AM on 02/03/2010
The generals are all acting like sissy girls.

"Send us into battle with the terrists sir, just don't make us serve next to homosexuals. We're scared of that."
photo
HUFFPOST COMMUNITY MODERATOR
DallasDon
Bio: Was Born; Currently Online; Here For The Fun
02:37 AM on 02/03/2010
Good morning Guy. And your right.

I told a story about that very thing just a couple of spots below here. Once you actually know someone, they're not that scary.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
sprtakis69
Shouldn't all people be entitled to Equal rights?
11:59 AM on 02/03/2010
What a st(_)pid comment! Effeminate gays are assets to the military too!
02:11 AM on 02/03/2010
Gay Americans are willing to die for their country, thus they should be allowed to serve openly.
photo
TheBMChief
The trees are the right height
02:49 AM on 02/03/2010
Don't let your mouse hit you on the way out of this room.
02:55 AM on 02/03/2010
DADT will be history one day and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Gay Americans have a right to openly serve their country with honor and integrity and one day they will.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
sprtakis69
Shouldn't all people be entitled to Equal rights?
01:21 PM on 02/03/2010
They've even been known to lose a limb.

http://www.hrc.org/alva/about.html
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
wilson0004
09:43 AM on 02/03/2010
Totally agree with you. If they don't do the same job as a hetrosexual than they deserve problems. I they do their assigned job, without issues over their preference, who gives a damn who they are. Let's get with it 21st century. It has always been there, but it was't spoken of.
photo
HUFFPOST SUPER USER
freecitizen1946
02:10 AM on 02/03/2010
In view of the significant number of rapes taking place in the combat zones of Iraq between the hetro sexual members of the service I propose that we outlaw both hetrosexual and homosexual humans in combat and bring them ALL home. I'm sure we can still use our drones and remote control tanks to kill enough people to instill the fear and hatred we need to plunder the planet at will.

For the $780 billion a year it's costing us now, we can keep a drone aloft over every square foot of the planet where significant resourses exist.. Obama is opting for unmanned space exploration, Because of our corrupt military procurment and privatized logistics it now cost $1,000,000 a year to keep ONE marine or soldier in the field. So why not opt for unmanned war?

From now on when any American oil executive demands a sweet oil deal he'll have a cloud of drones darkening the sky above to back him up.
photo
TheBMChief
The trees are the right height
02:50 AM on 02/03/2010
spam
04:09 AM on 02/03/2010
sounds good to me....our army is only used to create more enemies we can fight so they can get more money....people in the world hate us because of our army and love of war....