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Drop in jobless rate points to modest improvement

JEANNINE AVERSA and CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER   02/ 5/10 05:48 PM ET   AP

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Friday's unemployment report shows that recession job loss numbers clock in around 8 million.

WASHINGTON — The job market is lurching toward improvement. It just has a long way to go.

The outlook for jobs became a bit less bleak Friday when the government released January's unemployment rate showing an unexpected decline from 10 percent to 9.7 percent. It was the first drop in seven months.

Still, the government now estimates 8.4 million jobs vanished in the Great Recession. And economists say the nation will be lucky to get back 1.5 million of them this year. They also warn it will take until the middle of the decade for the job market to return to normal.

The economy is growing, and normally job creation would be strengthening. But the job market is weighed down by employers who remain slow to hire because consumers are not spending enough. Companies worry about their prospects once government stimulus aid fades. They also fret about possibly higher costs related to taxes or health care measures from Congress and statehouses.

The unemployment rate fell to its lowest level since August because a Labor Department survey of households found a sharp rise in the number of Americans with jobs. The survey found that 541,000 more Americans had jobs last month.

But those gains resulted from seasonal adjustments to the data. Without those adjustments, the data show fewer people had jobs last month.

Such adjustments are made each month and are especially large in January because of heavy seasonal changes in hiring, including holiday-season jobs, according to Tom Nardone, an assistant commissioner at the department's Bureau of Labor Statistics.

President Barack Obama said the unexpected drop in the unemployment rate was "cause for hope but not celebration." Speaking at a small business in a Washington suburb, Obama said the figures show modest progress, but he cautioned that the data will continue to fluctuate for months.

By the White House's own forecast, the unemployment rate will average 10 percent this year, up from 9.3 percent last year, a 26-year high. By the 2012 presidential election, the jobless rate will still be elevated – averaging 8.2 percent. Normal is around 5.5 percent or 6 percent.

Left behind are people like Aimee Brittain, 31, who said she cannot get employers to return her calls. She's hunting for work as a secretary after being laid off from a commercial real estate firm near her home in suburban Atlanta.

"I'm fighting against people with master's degrees for receptionist jobs," Brittain said. "I can't compete."

Seasonal adjustments tend to have a big effect on the January data. Retailers typically lay off temporary holiday-season employees. Construction firms temporarily cut jobs due to cold weather. The data are adjusted so the figures will show underlying trends.

The department uses separate surveys of households and businesses to gauge employment. The two differed this month. Households showed a jump in employment. But businesses reported 20,000 fewer jobs.

From month to month, the household survey is more volatile than the business survey, Nardone said. In December, it reported a 589,000 drop in employment. But over time, the two surveys tend to track each other: In the past 12 months, both show a net loss of about 4 million jobs.

The prospects of high unemployment heading into this year's congressional elections are a liability for Obama's Democratic Party.

This year the monthly unemployment rate is likely to stay high – and possibly creep up – as more people who had left the work force see an improving economy and start looking for jobs again. The jobless rate includes only those who are looking for work.

"I'd be surprised to see the jobless rate heading down in a straight line from here," said Nigel Gault, economist at IHS Global Insight. "It will be a very, very tough labor market. You'll be battling with a lot of other people for the relatively small number of jobs that will be created."

Analysts say the economy is on the verge of creating jobs, though nowhere near enough to bring the jobless rate down much. Bernard Baumohl, chief global economist at the Economic Outlook Group, said the report "provides more concrete signs this economic recovery is, at last, working its way into the labor market."

Initially, most of the jobs gains will come from a burst of federal hiring of census workers. That could add up to 1.2 million jobs this year, though they will all be temporary.

Later in the year, more private companies will hire, analysts predict. But economists think job creation will remain tepid – around 125,000 jobs a month at best.

The industries creating jobs will probably include those involving health care, legal services, data processing, transportation, software and computer design, high-tech manufacturing and electrical power generation. More jobs involved in making buildings more energy-efficient are also likely, analysts said.

Even with some improvements on the hiring front, 14.8 million Americans were unemployed in January. The unemployment rate for blacks reached 16.5 percent in January, the highest since 1984. And the number of people out of work six months or longer set a record of 6.3 million.

Americans' anxiety about unemployment forced Obama and Congress to pivot their attention to job creation. The Senate next week will begin work on legislation to give companies a tax break for hiring.

Counting people who have given up looking for work and part-time workers who would prefer to be working full-time, the so-called underemployment rate was 16.5 percent in January. That's down from 17.3 percent in December. Yet it still shows how hard it is to find jobs.

Some encouraging developments in the report:

_ The number of part-time workers who want full-time work but cannot find it fell by nearly 1 million.

_ The average workweek grew to 33.3 hours, from 33.2. That indicates employers are bumping up hours for their workers, a step that usually precedes new hiring.

_ Temporary-help services added 52,000 jobs, the fourth monthly gain. That could signal future hiring, as employers usually hire temp workers before permanent ones.

_ Manufacturing sector added jobs for the first time since January 2007. Its gain of 11,000 jobs was the most since April 2006.

_ Retailers added 42,100 jobs, the most since November 2007, before the recession began.

"It's a slow process, but the labor market is indeed starting to turn a corner," said Joel Naroff, president of Naroff Economic Advisors.

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AP Business Writer Christopher Leonard in St. Louis contributed to this report.

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WASHINGTON — The job market is lurching toward improvement. It just has a long way to go. The outlook for jobs became a bit less bleak Friday when the government released January's unemployment...
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leonhardsr
Navy Vet
04:37 PM on 02/10/2010
President Ubama will blame the unemployment on EX President Bush. It is going to be a cold day in Hell when the country will be as good as the Bush years.
The voters voted for a Socialist President. THey Got One. He loaded the Goverment with his fellow workers.
06:07 PM on 02/10/2010
"...as good as the Bush years".

The same Bush years which gave us two wars and wasn't included in the budget, tax cuts for the wealthy which cut revenue and brought even greater deficits, ignoring regulations whenever they might hurt corporations, reduced "real" wages for citizens....those Bush years?\

President Obama is NOT a "socialist" and never was one. If he WERE more of a socialist, many Democrats would be much happier with him. Just because Fox News and it's pundits say it, doesn't make it true.
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World Citizen
03:10 AM on 02/08/2010
I just received an email from a previous colleague who I worked with in the phone company in 1994. He told me that he no longer works with the phone company. He said that 6 years ago, his entire dept was off-shored to India, so they all took jobs with another dept which was 55 miles outside of SF. With this move, he actually went back to writing code (he was a proj mgr before).

Then 3 years ago, this entire dept (over 500 people) were transferred to an outsourcing / off-shoring company, Amdocs. So, they are all now Amdocs employees and are viewed as temporary contractors. The layoffs and resignations have been constant, and they have trained the people hired in India to replace them, so their days are numbered.
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StillweRise
09:25 AM on 02/09/2010
My wife's company has outsourced SO much to India, that now the India company is outsourcing THEIR overflow to Mexico!

God forbid those jobs stayed here in America and a company made 99 million in profit as opposedto 100 million. geez
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World Citizen
03:14 PM on 02/09/2010
If only we can give our politicians a taste of outsourcing and offshoring. Perhaps we should outsource congress and the senate and just keep a handful of americans as project managers.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
09:50 PM on 02/07/2010
The reported jobs gain is due entirely to a seasonal adjustment, which during a normal year is perfectly justifiable, when there was seasonal hiring in December. Did that happen last December?

"In December, it reported a 589,000 drop in employment."

No. So, without the seasonal hiring the previous month, how would you justify a seasonal adjustment based on expected normal losses of jobs that were never created in this abnormal, stagnant economy? Are all bureaucrats lobotomized when they're hired, or what?
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World Citizen
03:12 AM on 02/08/2010
temporary contract workers who are paid as independent workers are also not counted with the unemployed once they lose their contracts
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
01:49 PM on 02/08/2010
We will not have a sustainable economy and we will not have living-wage job growth, until our regressive tax scheme of "deductions" and "exemptions" for the over-privileged to abuse is abolished and replaced by a straightforward progressive tax on income, with top marginal rates no lower than during the Carter administration, and preferably closer to what they were during the Eisenhower and Kennedy administrations.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/thom-hartmann/the-great-tax-con-job_b_242065.html

Yes, Mr. President, I do want my money back. Taxing high risk transactions is good, but don't stop there.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
01:56 PM on 02/08/2010
No kidding, when measured in amounts actually paid rather than the rate "assessed" according to tax bracket, which is a pre-deduction quantity, this supposedly "democratic" country practices the regressive tax policies of aristocracies.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jonathan-tasini/the-bigger-shame-the-rich_b_162485.html
10:14 AM on 02/07/2010
Improvement, please! A large portion of the population is under employed or have just simply dropped out of the job hunt until the economy turns. The consider those that simply have retired early - anyone recently look at the numbers of those who have applied for Social Security before 65. Maybe its time we re-factor how we factor the jobless rate. I am not all that smart but would surmise that when factoring those that dropped out, retired early and or are under employed we would be at 15% or greater unemployment. But I am no analyst at the labor department.
11:34 PM on 02/06/2010
Last I checked, 10 percent of the labor force was unemployed. If the labor force is a mere 80 million workers, I'll apologize for thinking these two jerks who wrote this piece are anything but back alley Republicans in an identity crisis.
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MyFatCat
I'm paid in catnip
08:19 PM on 02/09/2010
You're right, although if you count underemployed--it doesn't matter by how much you miss the utility bill, the lights still go out--then the rate is closer to 16% unemployment. Some misery indexes peg it in the mid-20s. There are two counties in my state who actually do have 23% unemployment. I think Great Depression unemployment was in the 30% range.

The headline echo chamber is reverberating across a lot of news organizations.

Agree about the assessment of the authors, tho' I'd probably have put it a bit more kindly. I get upset with the economists who keep talking about a recovery, as if that could happen without jobs.
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Soule23
Anti-micro-biol
08:42 PM on 02/06/2010
We need to allow this "adjustment" to consummate itself fully--the Treasury and the Fed need to let the US dollar crash in value. I'm not talking about inflation or the domestic value of our currency, but rather about its strength on the global market. As long as the Chinese are able to keep the Renminbi and US policymakers work to keep the dollar strong, we will not be able to compete in the global market place. Sure, a weaker US dollar would hurt travelers and lower our ability to buy foreign goods, but it would make our products much more affordable for everyone else.
01:41 AM on 02/11/2010
Are you out of your ever lovin' mind? The quickest way to bankrupt this country is to lower the value of the dollar any more than it is. Did you study any history at all? Ever hear of pre-war Germany? Or talk to someone of that generation from there? Due to the de-valuation of the Deutchmark it took an entire wheel borrow of them to buy a loaf of bread....if you were lucky enough to live in a town that had an open grocery store which had a loaf of bread on its shelves!!!

As far as competing in the global market place do we have a pressing need too? Are we not capable of making goods and meeting the needs of consumers here?
Are plants and businesses that USED to make those goods not standing deserted, boarded up and rotting here? Do we not have the capability and Yankee ingenuity to put them to use again and become GREAT once more? Or have we become so lazy that we've lost that? Since both coasts are just full of high priced FABULOUS EXCEPTIONAL institutions of higher learning, which we in the boonies lack, aren't we turning out well-educated people capable of producing those goods? Don't we have enough people already educated and out of work to take over those jobs?

And we pay of the national debt, create jobs, cut unemployment by putting Tariffs on imports. Worked before .
06:58 PM on 02/06/2010
cookin' the books,Brownie your doing a heck of job.
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bluejoni2525
and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden
04:05 PM on 02/06/2010
SUCK ON IT TR0LLs !!!!!!!!
10:43 AM on 02/06/2010
THE WHITE HOUSE BS NUMBER GAME
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
09:53 PM on 02/07/2010
Balderdash. The same agencies have been compiling and reporting these statistics the same way for decades. You cannot blame President Obama for this.
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WOODSTOCKER51
HAVE A NICE DAY!
07:15 AM on 02/06/2010
Target to Demote 8,000--Ouch!
Filed under: Employment News & Trends, Employment News by Company Print ArticlePosted Feb 4th 2010 5:00PM
By Lisa Johnson Mandell

In an apparent effort to reduce the expense of health care and other employee benefits, a Target employee reports that he has just been informed that Target will down-grade as many as 8,000 employees from full-time to part-time. He is one of those full-time Specialists and Team Leaders who are being demoted.

The employee, who goes by "Michael," wrote an extensive missive to The Consumerist, stating that Specialist and Team Lead positions are being eliminated in all Target stores over the next several months. Those who hold those positions will be demoted to part-time status, being assigned under 32-hours per week and paid on a lesser, hourly basis.

To add insult to injury, many of these full-timers will be expected to train the part-timers to do their core jobs, before they are demoted. Some speculate that they will be so angry about this that they will quit, and entry level employees can be hired to replace the higher paid workers.

For the Target shopper, this means less experienced and knowledgeable customer service. Those familiar with Circuit City's demise note that the same tactics were attempted with Circuit City employees in order to save a buck, but shoppers became frustrated by the lack of customer service and expertise and began buying elsewhere.

..OOOOOOPPPSSSSSSSSS.........THE NEW AMERICA,,,,
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porsche996
an inelastic scattering of photons
09:00 PM on 02/05/2010
This "rate" is arrived at by polling a selected group of people and they surveyed as to whether they're working...supposedly it's 50,000 people which I find hard to believe but supposing that's true...who are these people? Anyone on here HP ever get polled? I've been unemployed and at home for 69 weeks...I've never been polled...how about you??

These numbers make no sense or I'm way off base??
10:48 AM on 02/06/2010
I've a serious question- What type of work do you do?
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porsche996
an inelastic scattering of photons
07:40 PM on 02/06/2010
Magnetic Resonance Imaging.
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Joseph Joyal
retired bum
07:54 PM on 02/05/2010
Improvement my Ass, people have getting kick off unemployement rolls so the numbers LOOK good.
There have been NO jobs created or saved, they just keep getting sent to Mexico, China and India.
Washington has screwed up the economy so bad they want us to to think that 10% unemployement is OK. BOTH PARTIES are to blame.
Job losses slow down???? there are so few jobs left that losses had to slow down, What until its the last job and Washington will be bragging that only ONE job was lost, They won't say it was the last job.
NAFTA and other trade agreements most go NOW if we ever expect to recover from this mess.
11:36 AM on 02/06/2010
I don't like jobs being sent overseas, but they actually do help create both jobs and companies in the US. You can actually argue that if we didn't have the overseas component (manufacturing, call center, software) we would have a VERY high unemployment rate and products would cost so much that it wouldn't matter what kind of job you had- you couldn't afford them.

I don't agree with the quality or regulations of overseas work, but if good were manufactured over here, there would be less goods, less workers, and we'd go back to $400 microwaves and $3,000 PCs (entry level).
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Y3rMawm
veni, vidi, bibi.
07:55 PM on 02/06/2010
They only become more expensive due to govt involvement. Govt regulation reduces competition for goods, and jobs. Simultaneously, wages are arbitrarily inflated via min wage laws, rather than the market deciding the proper sectors for which wages should rise.

In the end, we must produce something. Better still we should produce innovative products, rather than stifle their production via road blocks. Pushing paper to comply with govt regulation does not count.
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Bruce vain
06:56 PM on 02/05/2010
how about a 50% tax on all bonus babays over 1 million..and no more tax brakes for people with a salary of 20 million a year....they don't need no fracking tax breaks....
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Bruce vain
06:49 PM on 02/05/2010
And the right is already saying...it means nothing.......TEFLON Obama...all they have done is made the President angry and it's gonna get better because GM and ford will be bringing more back to work due to Toyotas problems
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Jannsmoor
06:38 PM on 02/05/2010
Two things.
First, the democrats are staring into the abyss. If unemployment is higher come November, it's going to bad. Only extremely aggressive political action to make America realize the Republicans are the ones blocking jobs growth will save them, since they won't be able to pass any legislation that will actually help.
Second, you do all realize this is madness on an enormous scale. We have over 7 million people out of work and we have so much that must be done. We need a new electric grid, huge amount of new cheap electricity generation, an all electric car fleet, transition to natural gas truck fleet (all to wean us off foreign oil that sends $500 Billion per year out of America), high speed rail, more homes built at more affordable interest rates, a drastic reduction in military spending, bend the health care curve, the list goes on and on.
And we're treading water because we rely on free markets to meet our needs, which it cannot do.
01:33 PM on 02/06/2010
a lot of people have posted, "drastic reduction in military spending"

i do not agree with that statement. cutting military spending would cause more unemployment, which we do not want. for some states, military bases are the largest employers.
trying to balance the budget (tea bagger want to do) in this economic turmoil will cause more harm. the 1st stimulus package was too small. which was 787 billion and is not nearly enough to cover the $2 trillion hole. the 2nd stimulus package should be 1 trillion dollars!
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Y3rMawm
veni, vidi, bibi.
08:01 PM on 02/06/2010
War is Racket sunshine. Military spending is Broken Window Fallacy.

Building stuff only to blow it up is the greatest self-perpetuating fraud ever perpetrated on taxpayers. It funnels money from truly productive endeavors that can improve society as a whole.

Govt spending to stimulate the economy is Chicago School Keynesian fallacy. Govt always gives the money to the politically adept, rather than the market channeling money to the productive. It is a great way to bankrupt a society.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
10:00 PM on 02/07/2010
Military spending costs more per job created than anything else. If you want to waste money, then the military-industrial complex is your friend.