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Public Option, Medicare Buy-In Could See Senate Floor Fights

First Posted: 04/20/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:35 PM ET

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Real health care reform is threatening to emerge from the ashes of the Massachusetts special election that exploded the effort in January. A growing movement in the Senate to urge Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to reinsert the public option into a health care reform package that would move through the chamber under majority-only rules depends on just how many votes backers can muster.

"Senator Reid remains a strong supporter of the public option, but it's always a question of where the votes are," Reid spokesman Jim Manley told HuffPost.

There's one tried and true way to find out if the votes are there: Hold a vote.

Because of the rules surrounding budget reconciliation, the process that would allow health care reform to move through with 51 votes, any Senator may bring up an amendment to the package. An opponent of the amendment will then likely make a point of order and argue that the amendment violates the "Byrd Rule" and is out of order. If the parliamentarian sustains the point of order, the amendment would need 60 votes to pass. But if he deems that it complies with the rules of reconciliation -- that it has a substantial effect on the budget and is germane to the legislation -- then the amendment passes with a majority vote.

Chris Bowers, who has been counting votes based on public responses and private correspondence, counts at least 45 votes for a public option. Democrats would need to find five more, with Vice President Joe Biden breaking the tie. The new movement for the public option began with a letter sent from progressive House freshmen Jared Polis (D-Colo.) and Chellie Pingree (D-Maine) and picked up speed when freshman Sen. Michael Bennett (D-Colo.) organized his colleaguesaround it. (Read the letter here.) Meanwhile, outside progressive organizations have been flooding Congress with calls from constituents, asking members to sign on to the effort.

[UPDATE: Bowers sends in a more recent item of his putting the number at 51; without then-Sen. Paul Kirk (D-Mass.), who has since been replaced by Republican Scott Brown, the number would still hit the 50-threshold.]

Including the public option, they argue, would make the Senate legislation much more politically popular in the House and, polls show, with the nation at large.

If a public option falls short, backers could bring up a Medicare expansion as an alternative. The Medicare buy-in, which would allow those 55 and over to purchase the government plan, was enormously popular before it was unilaterally killed by Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), who said he would filibuster any bill with such an expansion.

But there is no filibuster under reconciliation rules. No other Democrat had opposed the Medicare expansion, indicating that there may be as many as 58 votes for it.

The Senate bloc pushing for a stronger reform package is drawing the lesson from Massachusetts that voters want Democrats to use their majority to pass strong reform, rather than rely on backroom deals and capitulation to the GOP. And that's just what the polling shows.

During his State of the Union address, Obama urged his fellow Democrats not to "run for the hills" in the face of the electoral challenge facing them in November. Democrats are taking his advice, and charging directly at the GOP instead. The public option or the Medicare buy-in just may be popular enough to save the Democratic Party from its own worst instincts.

UPDATE: The Las Vegas Sun reports that while Nevada voters are opposed to the previous health care bill, they support moving it through by using reconciliation.

See the poll here.

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Real health care reform is threatening to emerge from the ashes of the Massachusetts special election that exploded the effort in January. A growing movement in the Senate to urge Majority Leader Harr...
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02:55 PM on 02/19/2010
No one has the right to take my health care dollars and give themselves millions of $ bonus for perpetrating criminal fraud.

As a top level carpenter in Santa Barbara, 2002, I helped "rebuild" the office for the head of Tenet Wealthcare.
The arrogant SOB made us destroy thousands of board feet of rain forest mahogany partitions with double pane glass filled with rice paper "pretties" between, and throw them in the dumpster so we could build the exact same configuration (and keep the office "lowlies" from having them) in his new corner office just before he was sacked as part of multiple fraud settlements and indictments.
Although we could have easily disassembled and just moved the finely finished pieces, he wouldn't stand the risk of even one extra nail hole due to re-using things. I was sick to my stomach the whole time, just like I am to read the teabagger craaap.
08:55 AM on 02/19/2010
NO ONE in Gods Creation is worth the obscene salaries these criminals are getting. Organized crime has blatantly taken over the health insurance industry and no one is doing a thing about it except REWARDING THEM! Where are our representatives???
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COMPENSATION OF HEALTH INSURANCE EXECUTIVES
• Ronald A. Williams, Chair/ CEO, Aetna Inc., $23,045,834
• H. Edward Hanway, Chair/ CEO, Cigna Corp, $30.16 million
• David B. Snow, Jr, Chair/ CEO, Medco Health, $21.76 million
• Michael B. MCallister, CEO, Humana Inc, $20.06 million
• Stephen J. Hemsley, CEO, UnitedHealth Group, $13,164,529
• Angela F. Braly, President/ CEO, Wellpoint, $9,094,771
• Dale B. Wolf, CEO, Coventry Health Care, $20.86 million
• Jay M. Gellert, President/ CEO, Health Net, $16.65 million
• William C. Van Faasen, Chairman, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, $3 million plus $16.4 million in retirement benefits
• Charlie Baker, President/ CEO, Harvard Pilgrim Health Care, $1.5 million
• James Roosevelt, Jr., CEO, Tufts Associated Health Plans, $1.3 million
• Cleve L. Killingsworth, President/CEO Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, $3.6 million
• Raymond McCaskey, CEO, Health Care Service Corp (Blue Cross Blue Shield), $10.3 million
• Daniel P. McCartney, CEO, Healthcare Services Group, Inc, $ 1,061,513
• Daniel Loepp, CEO, Blue Cross Blue Shield of Michigan, $1,657,555
• Todd S. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825
• Michael F. Neidorff, CEO, Centene Corp, $8,750,751
•. Farha, CEO, WellCare Health Plans, $5,270,825
04:35 PM on 02/19/2010
Perhaps we need a vigilante organization to kick some rear?
Our Government is representing the rich and their corporations.
Elections in this country are a farce. John McCain wasn't even a potential candidate. He often didn't complete sentences and was always with anger, up front or surpressed.
Obama is just another war president.
enough..........
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Accused of heresy and decided to go with that.
08:55 PM on 02/19/2010
Gary, your list is eye opening and disgusting but incomplete. Most of these CEOs received much of their pay in the form of stock options. One horrifying example is the former CEO of United Health Group, Dr. William McGuire who received stock options that the Wall Street Journal estimated were worth approximately $1.7 Billion in 2006. Even more shocking was that the Executive Pay Committee allowed them to be BACKDATED to increase their value. Fortunately, the SEC couldn't turn their backs, as they usually did during the Bush years, because other stock holders complained. McGuire was forced to resign and eventually had to repay $468 Million. Over $2.5 Billion in addition to McGuire's $1.7 Billion, was awarded to other top executives at the same time. I wonder how they got that much money to splurge on their top executives?
08:54 AM on 02/19/2010
The bill is already in place and will be passed in reconciliation. Not sure why they are having the healthcare summit when it is already a done deal.
08:52 AM on 02/19/2010
It is SO simple to get ALL Americans very inexpensive FULL coverage for ANY medical need with no pre-existing condition exclusions. Get rid of the for profit insurance companies that pay their criminal CEO's hundreds of MILLIONS of dollars in obscene salaries and bonuses. They get this money through post claims underwriting and denial of justifiable services killing over 50,000 adults and 25,000 children EVERY YEAR in their need for greed. This is murder for profit and no one is doing anything.
I almost lost my leg and died when Dr. Ed Lowenstein, medical director for Universal Health Care Inc of St Petersburg Florida denied payment of my claim AFTER APPROVING it 8 times in writing! I was in Thailand at the time and was approved for emergency service outside the country for $30K every year. Yet he denied my care which almost cost me my leg and my life!
A single payer plan would work, it would eliminate BILLIONS of dollars in CEO salaries which would then go to paying for the medical care we are now being denied. We do NOT need these CEO Criminals, they accomplish NOTHING except misery and pain for their customers when they need help the most by sucking all the money that we need for medical care into their obscene salaries and bonuses. For my personal horror story, Google: domestic terrorism/gary's blog and Google: “Dr. Edward Lowenstein, St Petersburg” to read about that criminal health insurance company he works for.
07:05 AM on 02/19/2010
Why not both, since they target substantially different groups?
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rougebaisers
01:53 AM on 02/19/2010
Yawn.
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Hopeforu
08:49 PM on 02/18/2010
When have repugnantcans ever done anything for anyone but the rich ? How about anything humanitarian? Anyone? Anyone?
10:47 PM on 02/18/2010
When have dumassoc-rats ever done anything besides help them selves at others expence? Republicans have helped countles millions of oppresed peoples throw off the chains of opression in nations like Iraq and Russia. Conservitives also save the lives of many unborne babys, children and people eeach and every day.
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11:56 PM on 02/18/2010
Really is that why the Russians and Iraqis were dancing in the streets and greeted us with flowers? Oh wait that didn't happen. I don't think the Iraqis like the illegal war and having bombs dropped on them. Mission Accomplished, right! You teajerks never saw a taxcut or war you didn't like. You better pat yourself on the back because no one else will do it.
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12:40 AM on 02/19/2010
Countless millions? Only when you keep your shoes on. This would be classic nonsense talking point #1, #4 and #5.Greet us, fetus and rejoice in the Iraqi health care - single payer @ 9% GDP. What a tool.
09:39 AM on 02/19/2010
The repugnantcans are irrelevant. It's the Dems job to get this done.
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08:20 PM on 02/18/2010
Take away the 75% subsidy that we, the taxpayers, pay for the Congressional members' health insurance! Let the seniors in Congress go on Medicare and Medicaid and the younger ones hunt and pay for their own insurance.

Why are we paying the majority of the costs for their health insurance? Since they vote themselves a raise every year, I am sure they can pay for their own or use Medicare and Medicaid.
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08:55 PM on 02/18/2010
I agree, too bad we are just taxpayers and no one of importance.
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09:07 PM on 02/18/2010
Oh, I so very much agree with you! It is shameful, isn't it...that we pay for a majority of THEIR healthcare....and cannot get them to look out for those they represent!!!!

If you agree, sign this then spread the word to as many as you can! Much appreciated!

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?PubOp676&1
08:13 PM on 02/18/2010
Oh, please, please, PLEASE!

I want it more than anything but I'm not sure my brain can handle much more hope and desolation. I feel like I've been on a rollercoaster and can't get off.
07:04 PM on 02/18/2010
GO FOR IT DEMOCRATS
07:11 PM on 02/18/2010
succinct and to the point baseline...we Canadians have had Universal Health Care for decades and our country and citizens are doing just fine with a much smaller population than the US at 33+ million ie a smaller tax base. It's shameful that a country like the US would rather see their citizens die due to lack of affordable health care and refer to themselves as a christian nation. What would Jesus say?
08:53 AM on 02/19/2010
I could be wrong about the title, but isn't the canadian prime minister coming to the USA for a heart procedure? Poor guy. I hope he makes it in our healthcare system that is in shambles.
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Eris23Skidoo
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06:36 PM on 02/18/2010
Who are the 45 solid votes on this? Who still needs convincing that their job is to serve the people of the USA not the insurance companies? What are their addresses & phone numbers? Are they planning to run for office ever again? The whole nation is watching their every move. They should be aware.
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03:00 AM on 02/19/2010
Yes. I suppose voters are not supposed to have that information. That is why I disagree with Reid on holding a vote based on votes available. If that is the way the senate leader is supposed to act (not holding a vote unless the votes are sufficient to pass), we need to redefine "leader". Let the _____________s (unprintable) step forward and tell us by their senate vote they are against the public option/Medicare buy-in. I, as a voter, would like to know even if the measure does not pass. I have no other way to evaluate a legislator. Talk is meaningless.

The other problem I have with Reid is simply that it was obvious from the beginning that only reconciliation would produce anything that was worth its mush. It is as much Obama's fault as Reid's, but we waste 12 months of negotiations on healthcare that wiped out Obama's poll ratings and may have doomed the Democrats in 2010, all for a private health insurance-centered healthcare measure that is not worth the effort. Banks and insurers should be nationalized. Who trusts them anymore?
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05:40 AM on 02/19/2010
The President did not get involved soon enough. After the deal with PhRMA he should have been involved and transparent instead of leaving it all to Reid [who has had some serious issues IMO] We heard the excuse that 60 votes would give the appearance of,"bi partisanship" give the Wellpoint writers what they want, and put in some of the reforms that are not available through reconciliation. Baucus and Reid came up with this senate version, dropped the public option etc. and passed the bill off to the House so the President could get something, anything passed! Folks were watching the sausage making and did not like what they seen, the GOP was crying foul, and the House ran into abortion issues. The President was not heard from since late summer until the stall in the House in late December, followed by the Mass. election. Now they are listening, and it does not need to be done over, it just needs to be done right with an expansion of Medicare and the Public Option.
05:56 PM on 02/18/2010
if you are against health care reform you are;

- easily duped by disinformation and fearmongering
-being paid by some lobbyist and owe your soul to them as long as you are voted back in
-are a member of the republican party and vote according to what Rush Limbaugh or Karl Rove tells you to
-are white and cannot be for ANYTHING that a black man is (even if he is right)
-are rich and just don't care
-HAVE insurance paid for you and just don't care
-HAVE never been sick and just don't care or think about it
-don't believe the mound of truth in statistics that the system is broken
-don't care that YOU pay 1000 dollars for everybody that uses emergency rooms without insurance
-don't care if people suffer with the worry of paying health bills or that they lose everything they have along with their families( inclusive of innocent children )
-don't care that 62% of personal bankruptcies are related to medical bills
.don't care that single payer is the best and most efficient system implemented in most other western
democracies
-don't care that people may d1e as a result from one or all of the above..

HOW is that American ? or even human -- ?

SINGLE PAYER OR STRONG PUBLIC OPTION (at least) !
05:35 PM on 02/18/2010
Open Letter to Republicans (te.baa.ggers):


HOW MUCH DOES A LIFE COST ? or (45,000 more that d1e each year from lack of medicale care)? ...

WHILE YOU TRY TO SCORE POLITICAL POINTS and act like you actually stand for something ..

Explain to me how the great republican party has had numerous administrations over a CENTURY to actually do something about people suffering or d1eing ....and did nothing about it .

medicare ..NO ..social security ..NO

BECAUSE their basic philossphy is that all women MUST give birth ..but as soon as that child comes into this world ...pick yourself up by your bootsstraps ..and if you need help ..seek charity if the tax cut we gave does not help you .

a tax cut for people that have no jobs

a tax cut for people that have no homes

a tax cut for people that have no insurance to seek medical help

a tax cut so another biillionaire can horde their money and never spend a fraction of it within MULTIPLE lifetimes (even though they try )

so try to fumble and bumble and stumble away from debating this GREAT Prsident because he will debate rings around your sorry az.zes!

Why ? , because HE wants to do something about it !

YOU BOZOS , you got NOTHING ...NADA ..ZILCH ..

and come November, you will find out if you don't work with this President because you will be voted out!.

Yes We can !
Regards.
05:33 PM on 02/18/2010
Republicans are not going to come to the table as long as they get their way by obstructionism. The only thing they understand is power, and as long as they are reinforced for their obstructionism, they will continue to obstruct. Once they realize that obstructionism is not going to get them their way, they'll try to negotiate. Bipartisanship only works when 1) both parties conscientiously want to work together. and 2) when the minority party can only influence legislation by acting in a bipartisan manner. Republicans have shown over and over that with the current Senate membership, #1 won't happen. That leaves #2. I believe that once the Democrats have used reconciliation to pass healthcare reform, the Republicans will come to the table for everything else.
05:10 PM on 02/18/2010
The dems need to take the lead and pass Hc with a public option. It should leave the private ins alone and if you want private ins Id say go for it. Pass it and watch things start turning back in the dems favor. Pass some type of jobs bill, and another stimulus bill this year. Continue to expose the repubs at every turn just like they have Pres Obama