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John Ashcroft: Civilian Trials For Terrorists Have 'Use And Utility'

First Posted: 04/21/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:35 PM ET

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In an acknowledgment that throws a wrench in Republican talking points, former Attorney General John Ashcroft said on Friday that the criminal justice system does, indeed, have a role to play in trying terrorist suspects.

In an interview with the Huffington Post at the Conservative Political Action Conference, the former Bush administration official said that there are "a variety of tools that ought to be available to an administration" in its efforts to curb terrorism and bring terrorists to justice.

Asked specifically about holding civilian trials for terrorists, he said such a venue "has use and utility."

When asked how to distinguish whether to use a military tribunal system or criminal courts for terrorist suspects, Ashcroft said: "It depends on the circumstances."

"Our priority should be a priority of preventing further terrorist attacks and to automatically allocate people from one system to another without understanding what best achieves that priority would in my judgment be less than optimal," he said.

Ashcroft did not specifically address the Obama administration's plans to place 9/11 plotter Khalid Sheikh Mohammed on trial in a New York criminal court. (His handlers whisked him away before he could tackle the topic).

But his admission that the criminal justice system has a useful role to play in trying terrorist suspects puts him squarely at odds with many conservatives. Republican lawmakers have spent the past few months railing at Attorney General Eric Holder for placing KSM through the criminal system. They have repeatedly criticized the Obama administration for doing the same with the Christmas Day airline plotter.

Newly elected Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass) jabbed the president repeatedly for the move while campaigning for office: "Our tax dollars should go to weapons to defeat [terrorists] not lawyers to defend them," he said repeatedly.

The debate used to be far more nuanced within the GOP. Under the Bush administration there was a clear divide over those who insisted military tribunals were the way to go and those who felt the criminal justice system had and could try terrorists suspects. Indeed, under Ashcroft, the Bush Justice Department actually took pride in the number of terrorism-related convictions it was able to secure in criminal settings.

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In an acknowledgment that throws a wrench in Republican talking points, former Attorney General John Ashcroft said on Friday that the criminal justice system does, indeed, have a role to play in tryin...
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12:47 PM on 02/21/2010
KSM going to D*ck's cover-up "military" system is a bi-partisan effort.

O-bama's job always was to protect the illusion of legitimacy of the US government.

KSM trial in a civilian criminal court is the citizens' only opportunity to fully understand the 9-1-1 plot and circumstances -- the 9-1-1 Commission is a disgrace that doesn't even link W-T-C 93 with 01 (W-T-C 93's mastermind was KSM's nephew, Ramzi Yousef for pete's sake!)

Because US involvement in 9-1-1 is an open-secret, "proving" that in open-court must be stopped at all costs (this will not make it on Court TV: Ali Mohamed was employed by the Pentagon, and was an FBI informant and CIA asset AND O-sama Bin Laden's personal security chief, trained the WTC 93 cell, escorted Al-Zawahiri in the US on 'fund raising' trips in the US, and taking the targeting photos of the US African Embassies, and is in US ghost custody and capable of being called to testify) Source: Triple Cross, Harpers Collins, Peter Lance.

BTW, W-T-F is a "military" tribunal? Isn't it really the garbage aka "N*zii People's Court" that the Republicans and Dick Cheney created in 2006 and branded the "Military Commission Act"?

All the jabber about costs and KSM's rights and the NYC trial location is all propaganda, watch him go to the cover up system and remember this post.
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05:56 PM on 02/21/2010
Hey readers they censored information from my 4th paragraph in the post below this one.

Look at the unedited post above.
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12:41 PM on 02/21/2010
KSM going to Dick Cheney's cover-up "military" system is a bi-partisan effort.

Obama's job always was to protect the illusion of legitimacy of the US government.

KSM trial in a civilian criminal court is the citizens' only opportunity to fully understand the 911 plot and circumstances -- the 9-1-1 Commission is a disgrace.

Because US involvement in 9-1-1 is an open-secret, proving that in open-court must be stopped at all costs.

BTW, WTF is a "military" tribunal? Isn't it really the garbage aka "N*zii People's Court" that the Republicans and Dick Cheney created in 2006 and branded the "Military Commission Act"?

All the jabber about costs and KSM's rights and the NYC trial location is all propaganda, watch him go to the cover up system and remember this post.
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05:53 PM on 02/21/2010
Hey HuffPo Readers HUFFPOST DELETED VITAL INFORMATION FROM MY 4TH PARAGRAPH!!

SOURCE: TRIPLE CROSS, HARPERS COLLINS, PETER LANCE

SMOKING GUN LINK -- IT'S AN OPEN SECRET!!!
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05:55 PM on 02/21/2010
Hey Huff-Po Readers they deleted information from my 4th paragraph.

Look at the unedited post above it.
10:20 AM on 02/21/2010
Its not surprising to me
that 'Mr. Soar like an Eagle'
is against the GOP on this issue.
What I give Ashcroft credit for
is knowing 'how far' the neo-cons
and 'Bushies' would go to lie
and cheat this country. Ashcroft
hasn't forgotten his experience
being pressured in the hospital by the Bushies,
and finally he's getting the message: his 'peoples' are crazy-
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At 6 bn km, it's mostly small stuff.
07:21 AM on 02/21/2010
You know, back in the bad old days, I thought there was never any possibility of looking to Ashcroft to provide the voice of reason. Then he left government, and a little while later I heard what happened to him in his hospital bed, and I thought, "Hey, wow. Ashcroft does actually have some backbone and some ability to reason!"

Now this gem.

Ashcroft shows up at CPAC, pops a couple of wacko thought balloons, and is whisked away by 'handlers'.

Here's hoping he's not handled too much or too roughly and his pin stays sharp.
11:24 PM on 02/20/2010
There. That was easy. Ashcroft says we have to torture others to be safe, and then sometimes it's good PR to try them as criminals. This is one goofy war criminal, is he not? Doing God's work, right?
10:50 PM on 02/20/2010
Good so let's hold these trials in his hometown then
02:11 PM on 02/20/2010
One thing I think that would be useful for everyone opposed to the current conservative movement is to realize that all conservatives are not equal or the same in the eyes of other conservatives. John Ashcroft, being raised in and devote towards his Pentecostal faith is quite a different kind of conservative animal then Rove or Cheney. Ashcroft is a "law and Order" conservative. His faith is based largely in the "strict father" model. I live in a southern somewhat small town. And I'm well aware that there are traditional and modern Pentecostals. But, I think it is important to note that he resigned. And that he was replaced by White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales, who was much closer to Bush and had a longer history with him.

I think Ashcroft got to the point where he saw his principles being at odds with the Bush/Cheney/Rove agenda, and had no choice but to remove himself, probably at Bush's request.

It would be interesting to know what Ashcroft was doing there at cpac.
04:30 PM on 02/20/2010
I think Ashcroft balked at spying on me.
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11:35 AM on 02/20/2010
These bastards don't deserve the U.S. Criminal Justice System. Why should we waste taxpayer dollars on these fools? A military tribunal is more appropriate here. Maybe the best way to go is an old style militia. Hell, I'd even volunteer for that.
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12:14 PM on 02/20/2010
I'm glad there's a Constitution and laws to protect the rest of us from people like you.
04:31 PM on 02/20/2010
My thoughts exactly.
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11:29 AM on 02/20/2010
Can we please stop giving these traitors like Ashcroft and Cheney any airtime at all. They should already be in jail. What the hell is wrong with Holder. Too close to the corruption himself?
04:31 PM on 02/20/2010
Obviously.
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mamapower
OBAMA*BIDEN*2012
04:46 AM on 02/20/2010
Has he told the retardos in his retardo party?
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
04:22 AM on 02/20/2010
Why Didn't Ashcroft-the-Christian Stop The Torture?
Monday April 6, 2009

...recently released documents show that senior Bush administration officials authorized tor-ture not only in principle but in repeated, specific instances. In the middle of interrogations, captors would turn back to officials in Washington for approval of particular steps. Mark Danner, author of a new book Tor-ture and Truth, explains that CIA briefers regularly updated the National Security Council's Principals committee which included Dick Cheney, Condolleezza Rice -- and Ashcroft. "As the interrogations proceeded, so did the briefings, with George Tenet, the CIA director, bringing to senior officials almost daily reports of the techniques applied." Many of the key memos justifying tor-ture also went through Ashcroft.

I'm not saying this was an easy position for Ashcroft. As the chief law enforcement official, he felt an urgent personal responsibility to stop terr-orist attacks. He likely made a morally utilitarian calculation that the ends in this case justified the means. Many people did.

But what Ashcroft never did, apparently, was ask: What Would Jesus Do?

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2009/04/why-didnt-ashcroft-the-christi.html
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
04:21 AM on 02/20/2010
Why Didn't Ashcroft-the-Christian Stop The Torture?
Monday April 6, 2009

...recently released documents show that senior Bush adminsitration officials authorized torture not only in principle but in repeated, specific instances. In the middle of interrogations, captors would turn back to officials in Washington for approval of particular steps. Mark Danner, author of a new book Torture and Truth, explains that CIA briefers regularly updated the National Security Council's Principals committee which included Dick Cheney, Condelleezza Rice -- and Ashcroft. "As the interrogations proceeded, so did the briefings, with George Tenet, the CIA director, bringing to senior officials almost daily reports of the techniques applied." Many of the key memos justifying torture also went through Ashcroft.

I'm not saying this was an easy position for Ashcroft. As the chief law enforcement official, he felt an urgent personal responsibility to stop terrorist attacks. He likely made a morally utilitarian calculation that the ends in this case justified the means. Many people did.

But what Ashcroft never did, apparently, was ask: What Would Jesus Do?

http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2009/04/why-didnt-ashcroft-the-christi.html
04:34 PM on 02/20/2010
It seems most of them were in on the child pedophile ring, so that would have been a uniting motivator. I never did figure out if Ashcroft was a part of that or not.
04:36 PM on 02/20/2010
I doubt Bush Jr fell very far from the tree.

http://www.voxfux.com/features/bush_child_sex_coverup/article_archive.htm
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01:41 AM on 02/20/2010
thank god his opinion doens't count...I guess he wants to be a legal czar.
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Hug a vet!!!
12:02 AM on 02/20/2010
He needs handlers? He can't handle himself.
11:25 PM on 02/19/2010
john ashcroft singing 'let the eagle soar' really really fast:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZZgdzBm2R8&feature=related
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question authority
08:25 PM on 02/20/2010
Thankyouthankyouthankyou.Ican'twritefastenoughtosayhowfunnyitis.