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Health Care Summit: Breaking Updates, Latest News


First Posted: 04/26/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:35 PM ET

President Barack Obama kicked off a six-hour summit meeting with members of Congress on Thursday by expressing his hope that the partisan divide over health care can be bridged. "We all know that this is urgent," he said. But that divide was obvious as soon as Republican Sen. Lamar Alexander called on Obama to scrap the entire Democratic plan and start from scratch. Obama's attempts to persuade Republicans that his plan already answers most of their ostensible concerns does not appear to be working. Check here for health care summit details throughout the day. You can see live video and twitter reaction and read expert analysis.

11:40 PM ET -- Healthy interest: Judging by White House web traffic, public interest in the summit far surpassed that for President Obama's State of the Union address in January.

According to White House New Media Director Macon Phillips, there were more than 3.9 million streams of the White House's live webcast today. Phillips said that's more than triple the amount of traffic the White House tallied for its live webcast of the president's SOTU address, when 1.3 million watched the president speak via the White House's webcast.

Talking Points Memo's Josh Marshall reported that his site saw a big bump in traffic:

It's certainly not a perfect measure. But over the years I've gotten a pretty good feel for how different kinds of political events bump traffic on TPM. And there was a much bigger bump than I would have expected for an event like this.


5:40 PM ET -- The GOP line: Summit was 'fabulous' and 'Useful.' Our Ryan Grim wraps up the reaction of Republican leaders to today's events:

For Mitch McConnell, it was a "a fabulous discussion." For John Boehner, "a useful discussion."

The Republican leaders in Congress wrapped up the health care summit with the president and his congressional allies full of praise for the gathering.

"Mr. President, I'm going to say thank you for having us here. I think it's been a useful conversation and as I listened to you open up this meeting, I thought to myself, I don't disagree with anything that you said," Boehner, the Republican minority leader, offered to Obama.

"The American families are struggling with health care. We all know it. The American people want us to address this in a responsible way. So I really do say thanks for having us all here."

Read the full story.


5:21 PM ET -- And that's a wrap. Obama officially closes out the summit after a nearly seven-hour session (interrupted only by a short lunch break). Be sure to check out the Huffington Post's roundtable of health care experts for their ongoing analysis of the day's discussions.

5:20 PM ET -- Laugh track. As Obama began his closing argument by saying he planned to talk for ten more minutes, the Senate press gallery burst into spontaneous laughter.

It was the biggest laugh the health care summit had drawn since the camera panned to John Boehner looking ever-so-pained to be listening to Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who was busy dissecting each Republican argument that had been trotted out during the more than seven our event.

Watch the Boehner-Pelosi moment:



--RYAN GRIM AND LILA SHAPIRO


5:15 PM ET -- Dingell: Health Care Is Not And Will Never Be The Ten Commandments. Rep. John Dingell (D-Mich.), who as the longest serving member of the Congress also holds the distinction of having spent the most time working on health-care legislation, closed Thursday's summit by acknowledging that the bill being considered did not meet the standards of perfection set forth by the Ten Commandments.

But no legislation did, the Michigan Democrat announced. And for the sake of solving crises in the both insurance industry and the overall health care system, lawmakers would and should settle for bills that weren't crafted by the hand of God.

"We have before us a hideous challenge," Dingell said. "The last perfect legislation that was presented to mankind was delivered to the Israelis at the base of Mt. Sinai. It was on stone tablets, written in fingers of God. Nothing like that has been presented to mankind since. What we are going to do is not perfect. But it sure will be better and it's going to ease a huge amount of pain and suffering at a cost, which we can afford, which has been questioned out by the office of management and budget and the congressional budget office say it's budget-neutral. It in fact reduces the budget. I beg you, let us go forward on this great task."

Watch Dingell's remarks:


--SAM STEIN


4:55 PM ET -- Obama Shuts Down Waxman.
Henry Waxman, chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee and a reliable partisan grappler, took the mic toward the end of the health care summit and didn't disappoint.

He keyed in on Rep. Paul Ryan's (R-Wisc.) Medicare reform plan that would give seniors vouchers to buy coverage, instead of the coverage itself. That's all well and good, until premiums increase - which premiums have a habit of doing.

Waxman, a Democrat from California, brought up Anthem BlueCross's recently-proposed 39 percent increases.

"Could you imagine, seniors, if you have to go shopping with your vouchers, and by the way this private policy that you're going to have to buy just went up 39 percent? And the way to save the federal government money is to shift it onto the seniors, that's where we're headed if we don't do anything," Waxman said.

He continued along those lines for another six minutes, urging the president to push forward with comprehensive reform.

"Mr. President, you're not going to be able to do this piecemeal," he said. "I have doubts about whether the Republicans are going to help you, because I haven't heard a lot of willingness to come to work with you now or a year ago. I hope I'm wrong."

Obama interrupted him. "I'm going to be equal opportunity here and say we're not making campaign speeches right now," he scolded.

Watch the exchange:


4:50 PM ET -- Rangel Reality Check. Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-NY) offered this during his remarks in the waning minutes of the summit: "I don't really think somebody sick in the emergency room is concerned about the size of the bill."

4:15 PM ET -- Professor Obama strikes back. From HuffPost's Sam Stein: Earlier today, Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) criticized President Obama for acting, during the day's health care summit, like he was a professor in front of a classroom of petulant Republican schoolchildren.

The analogy seemed a bit harsh -- until Minority Leader John Boehner got the microphone roughly an hour later to play the part of unruly school kid to a tee.

During a segment of the meeting devoted to cost control and federal entitlements, Boehner instead trotted out just about every single GOP scare story about the bill - insisting it was a government takeover, calling it a massive bureaucratic mess, and even remarking about the number of pages in the legislation.

Obama's reply: "John, you know, the challenge I have here, and it happens periodically, is every so often we have a pretty good conversation trying to get on some specifics, and then we go back to, you know, the standard talking points that the Democrats and Republicans have had for the last year. And that doesn't drive us to an agreement on issues."

Read the full story.


4:00 PM ET -- John Barasso's stethoscope. He's a doctor and a senator and President Obama got an earful from Sen. John Barasso (R-Wyoming) on Thursday. Barasso even called to mind the moment in medical school when he received his stethoscope.

"This is to listen," Barrasso said, recalling the words of one of this professors.

"I have great concern that people around this table are not listening to the American people," he added. Echoing one of the GOP's main talking points, Barrasso said that the entire health care reform process should "start over."

--MICHAEL FALCONE



3:40 PM ET -- The reconciliation debate.
President Obama and Sen. John McCain aired their differences on the issue of reconciliation for the health care bill. McCain told Obama that he did not think reconciliation should be used for a bill of this magnitude, adding that he thought it "could harm the future of our country" (and of the Senate).

Obama responded that he did not think the American people cared all that much about the procedures of Congress and were more focused on getting a reform bill passed.

Democratic operative Donna Brazile offered her take on the exchange on her Twitter feed: "Sen McCain just raised the issue of reconciliation," Brazile wrote. "Pardon me. This is part of the legislative process. Dems must not fear using it."

--MICHAEL FALCONE


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Easyrollins
10:26 AM on 03/01/2010
It certainly has become obvious to many that the Republican form of health care is base on theory of the "have and have not school of political thought " If you can afford to have you live, if not you die.
10:29 AM on 02/28/2010
It's obvious by the discourse that the only way health care gets reformed is if the democrats and President Obama realize that this will have to be a Democratic Bill. The bill comes a lot closer to the Republican proposals last year than to what the President had on his platform, nevertheless they continue their obstructionist ways. Finally is it too late for the one-payer model?
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enoughalready
The PEOPLE win with Obama/Biden!
04:36 PM on 02/27/2010
Think about tort reform for just one minute. The GOP has been driving this stake for many years now. The largest medical claims in our country are probably class action like against big tobacco, big pharma, asbestos, and on and on. That's who the GOP is trying to protect - big corporations!
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Steven Barnes
Author, life coach, martial artist
03:41 PM on 02/27/2010
It doesn't have to start out costing a damned thing. Let anyone who wants to buy into Medicare at Cost Plus Ten percent. That would put money INTO the system, and automatically put pressure on insurance companies to watch their premiums. The extra profit could be used to extend services to the poor. A simple, simple proposal, and never on the table--for my money, that tells you the magnitude of the resistance this administration faces.
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Rnactivist
02:34 PM on 02/27/2010
This conversation is just a continuation of the smoke and mirrors that we would get substantial health reform. All members have been bought and paid for by the insurance companies and big pharma. Therefore we will not get single payor the best option...
a public option
be able to negotiate for drug prices
make all insurance companies non-profit....
put insurance companies under anti-trust laws....etc etc....or any real reform....
Sorry to be so pessimistic but we are owned by corporate America and so are the people in office and it will only get worse.....
11:58 AM on 02/27/2010
Is is normal to have that many aftershocks?
11:59 AM on 02/27/2010
I mean, is it normal to have that many aftershocks? Especially ones that are so strong...
11:52 AM on 02/27/2010
The Sixth Commandment: Hebrew words לא תרצח variously translated as
"thou shalt not kill" or "thou shalt not murder".

The truth hurts those who are guilty.

The actions of elected Republicans document a pattern of KILLING.

They eagerly fund wars thus maiming and killing thousands.

They callously withhold funds for health care thus causing pain, suffering and killing thousands.

They vengefully advocate the death penalty thus killing hundreds.

For the clinical definition of this psychological type, go to: http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
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SIMPLICIMUSS
Kampf gegen Dummheit !
02:06 PM on 02/28/2010
So, Who exactly got us into the Viet Nam quagmire ?? Was JFK a republican ??
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Easyrollins
10:29 AM on 03/01/2010
Do you even have a clue about the sixties, Were you born? Do you know what the right was saying and doing in the sixties. I know in your mind they were carrying the, Make love not war signs
11:09 AM on 02/27/2010
Does "You're either with us or you're for the terrists" sound familiar?
http://healthcarenewsletters.blogspot.com/
09:23 AM on 02/27/2010
I am not siding with either party on this bill. I am just concerned with one important question.

How is this all going to be paid for. We are so embroiled in trillion dollar wars there is no money to pay for these social services. Since war has been our priority with the advent of GW Bush and continuing with Obama jumping into Afghanistan with more and more troops there is no way to pay. The only president who exercised fiscal responsibility was Bill Clinton.

Let us keep in mind Iraq and Afghanistan are wars of choice entered into under the guise of destroying all terrorists. We have actually destroyed the stability of our own country while engaging in this brutality.
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SweetestTaboo
12:29 PM on 02/27/2010
Although I am a Progressive and voted for Clinton, I cannot let you just rewrite the history books. Clinton did not have any wars and he was the President leading up to Y2K. The United States spent $100B on preparing for Y2K. Clinton had a built in job stimulus. Unemployment was between 4 and 5 percent. This country had yet to meet G.W. Bush.
09:15 PM on 02/27/2010
Sweetest Taboo- It was GW Bush's decision to invade Iraq. He was left a hefty surplus in the treasury. It has been Obama's decision to expand the war in Afghanistan. It cost 1 trillion dollars to send 30 thousand more troops over there and he is sending more. How about the carnage these wars have precipitated? You are trying to re-write history.
These are wars of choice.
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MyHO
Speaking Truth to Power
12:51 PM on 02/27/2010
Insightful - how do you pay for health care now? You have to pay for health care one way or another - premiums or taxes - it is not ever going to be a freebie. This focus on how to pay for health care is a ruse concocted by the Republicans and health care lobbyists.

What everyone should be talking about is reforming health care so that it is more affordable and making it available for everyone. The obvious way to do this is to take the profit motive out of the business of keeping people alive. I can see some advantages in reorganizing businesses in the health care industry into not-for-profit and/or non-profit entities. Expanding Medicare to everyone also makes a lot of sense. Whatever approach is taken there will need to be tight regulations and we need to increase taxes to pay for health care. Pay as you go is how Clinton got the deficit down and created a surplus.

Re: THE WARS This is the first time in our history that Americans were not asked to make sacrifices and fork over the billions necessary to fund the wars. I think that had the Congress tried to raise taxes to fund the wars, there would not have been any wars.
09:24 PM on 02/27/2010
Re: We are making sacrifices for these wars. We are killing and maiming our troops along with civilians and borrowing money to do it. We have never run up such huge deficits as we have for the past 9 years. I am sorry that our congress keeps on funding the military warhawks.

We should be able to afford a better healthcare system but we cannot do it without loading taxes on someone at this point.
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Easyrollins
08:01 AM on 02/27/2010
The attempt by the Republicans to use a doctor to shore up there argument was beyond sad, This was for me the epitome of stupidity and really showed the real argument the Rethugs are using. After a rousing we're #1 and the best in the world lovefest, The good doctor stated how rich people fly into the states to have medical treatment, President Obama retorted that, the people he's trying to help don't fly to get health care, to the Mayo clinic, or John Hopkins, don't have millions of dollars for medical treatment, and ask what about the guy earning 40,000 a.year, who he's concern about. This exchange clearly show the Republicans for what they are and who the really work for.
03:30 PM on 02/27/2010
Meanwhile many Americans fly overseas for affordable surgeries.
05:29 AM on 02/27/2010
Thursday’s health care summit was what it was: an exercise in rhetoric. Republicans reprised their familiar routine of propaganda and political theater. Democrats dug in, sticking mostly to the same talking points they’ve been repeating for over a year now. And the President persistently attempted to bridge the gaps and break the deadlock between them, to no avail.

Unfortunately, it was obvious from Senator Lamar Alexander’s (R-TN) opening remarks onward that Republicans never intended to have a real conversation about health care. Rather than focusing on areas of potential agreement, like medical malpractice reform, the senator chose instead to misrepresent the facts about health insurance premiums.

Behind a facade of phony fiscal fortitude, the G.O.P. blindly obstructs legislation essential to our economic recovery, hoping that this cynical strategy will return them to power.

Moreover, by repeatedly refusing to engage in a serious exchange of ideas, Congressional Republicans fail to acknowledge the fundamental truth behind health care reform: that it is an economic and social necessity.

Read more @ http://armchairfirebrand.wordpress.com/
04:18 AM on 02/27/2010
It's already over. Who here knows it's over and is angry about it, or knows it's over and has accepted it already?
04:16 AM on 02/27/2010
Obama outsourced the health care bill to Pelosi and Baucus, and this is the result: 2 bills that have no common ground.

I mean, Messina, Baucus' former chief of staff, was the point man in the WH for the Senate! And calls from Big PhRMA were sent directly to Baucus! What a hoot.

We told you Obama has no experience, and now you see the result of it: this impasse, and massive losses in Congress in November as the result of paralysis.

If Obama was a stronger and more effective leader it would have been Obama's bill and not Pelosi/Baucus' bills.
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Sue-in-Jersey
Now I am in Pennsylvania. Hope they let me vote.
09:17 AM on 02/27/2010
"Obama outsourced the health care bill to Pelosi and Baucus"

"Outsourced" legislation to...legislators??? How COULD our constitutional professor President Obama have been so "inexperienced" and confused as to think it was the CONGRESS'S JOB TO DRAFT LEGISLATION?

Come back when you have something besides completely nonsensical talking points to contribute to the conversation, Mr. HATERoneguy.
02:49 PM on 02/27/2010
You are correct, poor leadership
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KeepMeLearning
Some of you have a lot of learning to do...
02:05 AM on 02/27/2010
Hey, H P friends!!!
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Orcas Island
Speak the truth and ride a fast horse.
11:33 PM on 02/26/2010
Republicans use phrases like 'The American people are against this', 'we are doing whats best for the American people'...blah blah blah.

Hey GOP - stick it where the sun don't shine. Thats what the 'American public' really thinks. You don't represent us anymore.
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freethinkergirl
Help, there's an elephant in our bedrooms...
11:38 PM on 02/26/2010
They wouldn't know what the American people are going through if it hit them in their ign0rant @rses.
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TeraWatt60
Cogito Ergo Sum
12:02 AM on 02/27/2010
Agreed these clowns are so deluded that they think million dollar annual incomes are "middle class" and those poor starving trust fund babies need protection for their undeserved inheritances...oops that just describes their St George the Uncurious--- grandson of a nazi sympathizer/war profiteer
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
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LynnBarnstorm13
Author and Surrealist Artist
09:08 AM on 02/27/2010
WOW