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For Democrats The Time For Health Care Talk Is Over

First Posted: 04/27/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:40 PM ET

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Seven hours of sometimes combative, often wonky health care conversation left President Obama and other Democratic leaders with no more Republican support for health reform than they started with. But it did produce one thing: A consensus that there really isn't any point in talking anymore.

Obama held court with congressional leaders all day Thursday, addressing topics including tort reform, cost controls, the need for an individual mandate, and the dangers of incremental reform. But with Republican leaders continuing to express unanimous disapproval of the Democratic proposal, even before the summit was over talk shifted to what the party now has to do if it wanted legislation passed.

"I don't know, frankly, whether we can close that gap [between the parties]," Obama said in his closing remarks. "And if we can't close that gap, then I suspect Mitch McConnell and Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and John Boehner are going to have a lot of arguments about procedures in Congress about moving forward."

On Capitol Hill, aides have long been exploring how much they can do using the parliamentary maneuver known as reconciliation, which precludes filibusters and therefore requires only a simple majority vote. Unofficial whip counts determining which Democratic Senators would support the process have been taken.

All of it was supposed to be hush-hush, for fear that it would trample on the overriding message of bipartisan summitry. But few sober-minded observers of the health care reform process had held out hope that even a masterful performance by Obama would sway even one Republican vote.

So at the summit itself, the prospect of reconciliation often took center stage, with a host of GOP lawmakers declaring it a massive assault on the U.S. Constitution, and Democrats responding by pointing to its frequent past use.

The differences between the two political parties -- as even Obama finally admitted -- simply are too vast for the Democrats to pass reform any other way. In his most explicit endorsement of the reconciliation process yet, Obama responded to a question from former presidential campaign rival Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) by saying: "I think the American people aren't always all that interested in procedures inside the Senate. I do think that they want a vote on how we're going to move this forward, and I think that most Americans think that a majority vote makes sense."

The most memorable portions of Thursday's summit involved sparks flying between the president and his Republican critics over health care reform issues both substantive and superficial.

  • Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.) repeatedly insisted, against most evidence that under the president's plan premiums would go up for consumers. Obama sharply challenged him on the claim.
  • McCain went through a litany of problems he had with the crafting of the bill -- from the backroom deals to the lack of CSPAN cameras -- only to be shot down by the president, who chided him for regurgitating stale talking points. "[W]e are not campaigning anymore," Obama said.
  • Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio), in the midst of a fairly serious discussion on deficit reduction, trotted out every GOP scare story about the bill, leading a clearly irritated Obama to scold him like an unruly child.

No matter how many times Obama pointed out that there are significant areas of overlap between his plan and the Republican Party's proposals, his opponents continued to express strong disagreement over such things as the government's role in expanding coverage (Obama's plan would cover 30 million uninsured, the Republicans would cover three million) or the design of insurance market reforms (Obama would prohibit discrimination against pre-existing conditions, Republicans would not), or the length of the bill.

Democrats forcefully resisted the Republican's main proposal -- which was to start over from scratch.

"Starting over in my mind is code for delay and obstruction," David Axelrod, the president's senior adviser, told CNN.

And so, by summit's end, nothing was resolved and everything was resolved. Reconciliation seems the only immediate path forward even if it continues to make some lawmakers skittish.

"If nothing comes of this we're going to press forward," Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill) told reporters midway through the summit. "We just can't quit. This is a once in a political lifetime opportunity to deal with a health care system that is really unsustainable."

"Does reconciliation start tomorrow?" one journalist asked.

"I wouldn't go that far," Durbin replied. "We will sit down in leadership and if we have some helpful Republicans, this could be an easy assignment. But if not, it could be a little harder."

"George Bush did it five times," declared former Democratic National Committee Chair Howard Dean, in a short interview with the Huffington Post. "I agree [that this is the only path forward]," he added.

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Seven hours of sometimes combative, often wonky health care conversation left President Obama and other Democratic leaders with no more Republican support for health reform than they started with. But...
Seven hours of sometimes combative, often wonky health care conversation left President Obama and other Democratic leaders with no more Republican support for health reform than they started with. But...
 
 
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02:52 AM on 03/01/2010
I feel a revolution coming on!
09:59 PM on 02/28/2010
If anybody's going to ram this government-expanding and free market crushing bill down the country's throats, it'll have to be the "progressive" big government and tax loving Democrats.

I hope they keep trying and don't quite get there, all through to November.
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mcmutter
A Groover has to expect a few setbacks .....
10:15 AM on 02/28/2010
USA !

USA !

We're # 37 !!!!

Yeah Yeah Yeah
Clevelandinwi
Progressive is good; regressive, not so much.
06:36 AM on 02/28/2010
Medicare OPT-IN for everyone! 55-65 in 2010, 40-54 in 2011, 0-39 in 2012. Complicated? No! At the same time, health delivery reforms NOW ! What is so hard about this?
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satanlite
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08:07 PM on 02/27/2010
"Starting over in my mind is code for delay and obstruction," David Axelrod, the president's senior adviser, told CNN.

Dm right. Nothing but a transparent attempt to run down the. clock. And the really sucky part is Democrats are falling for it with the talk talk talk talk talk and more talk.

Get it done no matter what it takes. Sign it, make it law, F Republicans.
11:17 PM on 02/27/2010
Of course the big lie here is that nationalizing hospitals isn't in the plan. It simply a reform of the payment system.
01:56 PM on 02/28/2010
Many of the posts I see here argue for a single payer nationalized system. That was the desire of the democratic leadership if they could have it they way they wanted it.
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mcmutter
A Groover has to expect a few setbacks .....
10:17 AM on 02/28/2010
Thank God you're not dealing with an insurance company death panel .... like so many others are
05:14 PM on 02/27/2010
it was over a long time ago-everyone knows that. The lip service meeting was just that.
Now on with the agenda. Reconciliation. Rahm it through.
05:18 PM on 02/27/2010
If they can get 217 and 50+Biden. I've heard conflicting stories about this.
05:34 PM on 02/27/2010
Not to worry. Nancy and Rahm are currently figuring out how much each dem vote will cost us to pay for.
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darcdante
03:29 PM on 02/27/2010
I don't understand why there's still no tort reform offered by the Dems. Why not tack on at least a couple of GOP proposals? It'd be great for campaigning come November. "Hey, we put their ideas in and they STILL didn't support it."

Also, they should get rid of the Labor Loophole if they want my support. No tax breaks for key constituencies. Other than the blatant bribery, I support it. Though a public option would be better.
05:05 PM on 02/27/2010
I think the guys point is irrelevant to if or not it would work. It would work politically, and wouldn't hurt legislatively, even if it wouldn't help much.
05:25 PM on 02/27/2010
Actually, I think they will put something in that they call tort reform for exactly the purpose you say. it will be toothless of course, because as your very own Howard dean pointed out, the trial lawyers pretty much own the dems, so it will be ineffectual and probably be stripped out later, during the reconciliation process, along with other things they put in to entice votes. If anyone falls for it and votes accordingly they're likely to be pretty miffed. More of that democratic process.
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rabiddog6708
This Dog's bite is Worse Than his Bark
11:12 AM on 02/27/2010
Obama wants any kind of victory, no matter how hollow and the Repubs don't want to hand him even a hollow victory to campaign on in the next election.
11:49 AM on 02/27/2010
Actually, if the Republicans really thought the results of the bill will suck, they'd shut up and let it pass, knowing it would result in their winning in 2012. But they don't think that. They're deathly afraid of reform because they know it will work and seal them out of power for the next decade at least.
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free thinker 3-5-7
02:53 PM on 02/27/2010
excellent point
05:07 PM on 02/27/2010
excellent point? If they weren't hollering about it now, if they hollered about it after it passed, the talk would be "why didn't they talk about it then?"

i'd imagine they are looking for an "I told you so"?
05:37 PM on 02/27/2010
That's a pretty good sum up of where we are right now, and it speaks volumes: nowhere is the good of the people involved. Only the politics.
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ilse
09:43 PM on 02/26/2010
Anyone who is sick and tired of the republican and tea party BS and lies, please consider joining the new "The Coffee Party USA". HP has an article "Coffee Party Movement: A Tea Party Alternative" if you would like to check them out.

http://www.facebook.com/coffeeparty
05:09 PM on 02/27/2010
lol, wait is this a "they are great at campaigning, so lets use the idea to combat them"?

I think the reason the tea partiers are polling as more popular than either party is probably their message, not their organizing? Maybe not...?
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wonketteRAWKS
Hypocrisy is prevalent in BOTH parties!
08:37 PM on 02/26/2010
The Party of NO didn't even get the chance to say "no" what with the lecturer in chief cutting them off at every point. This guy is the boss and yet he brought himself down to their level. He can't even appear presidential right.
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09:35 AM on 02/27/2010
You are so right. President Obama should do what Cinton did. He could send his wife over to Congress to arrogantly try to shove her agenda for healthcare reform down their throats "my way or no way", all or nothing, end the prospect for reform for another 15 years, and lose control of Congress to the GOP. Why doesn't Obama just take your great adivce and do the Clinton thing?
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bthechangeyouseek
01:17 PM on 02/27/2010
The meeting was well moderated, and they said plenty of the same things over and over. Too bad they did not come prepared to discuss real issues the people of the country face, or how they propose to resolve them.
05:13 PM on 02/27/2010
Did you see Paul Ryan or Tom Coburn? Also, it seemed as though everyone agreed on the fact that entitlements are going to break the US bank?

Obama seemed to acknowledge their ideas as well. When he was talking about what they disagree on is the minimum coverage that should be federally mandated, they were having a legit debate?

Obviously the GOP clowns, as well as them Dem clowns, came to grandstand (Pelosi and Boehner/Cantor come to mind, not to mention McCain campaigning against Hayworth), but there were definitely people on both sides of the aisle that realize they must legislate for the deficits sake.
06:19 PM on 02/26/2010
If I hear 'BIG GOVERNMENT" one more time!!! What the heck does that mean anyway? Maybe a few senators should give up their positions. One way to shrink the government. How about eliminating lobbyists, sure that would save a billion in preferential treatment dollars. How about getting rid of Halliburton. They've wasted a billion just today.
HankRearden
An Observer of “Twisted Liberal Logic”
04:09 PM on 02/27/2010
Now aren’t we informed? I just learned "Lobbyists" are government employees.

I guess these are the new jobs "O" has added to the economy. His hand must be very tired signing all those waivers.
05:16 PM on 02/27/2010
Big Govt means the govt getting involved in the lives of people. Its the fact that there are "regulations" are designed to help some who are well-connected but hurt those who aren't.

If you are genuinely interested in this, Google "crony capitalism."

Big Gov't is a huge problem we have in our countries health, as well as Big Business.
06:15 PM on 02/26/2010
That televised round table discussion of healthcare by both sides mediated by the president was BRILLIANT. Can anyone even fathom BUSH/CHENEY ever doing anything remotely as sophisticated? Hoping the discussion wasn't too high brow for the "joe the plumber" american populace.

Could scream evertime the GOP whined about wanting to start from scratch because they were "excluded." Aren't these dudes the most rich and powerful in the country? They get what they want when they want it. They just chose not to participate. Besides, what about the billions already spent to get healthcare to this juncture; or does fiscal responsibility only matter when used as a weapon against a Democrat.
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bthechangeyouseek
01:18 PM on 02/27/2010
Good points Camille21.
05:30 PM on 02/27/2010
Actually, I think you'd have a hard time making the case that republicans are the rich and powerful. I think that realm belongs as much to liberals as anyone.
I think you also make a weka case that republicans "chose not to participate". Who were those people at the meeting then?
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AyeChart
Retired Army, half-retired physician
06:01 PM on 02/26/2010
For Democrats The Time For Health Care Talk Is Over...

Indeed! We wish they'd shut up about it long ago.
11:47 AM on 02/27/2010
Small we. Once you include the public option, the majority of Americans want it passed. You can always keep what you have until you get really sick and your insurance company drops you.
02:17 PM on 02/27/2010
We are not amused. You don't speak for me.
02:21 PM on 02/27/2010
Last reply should have been to AyeChart.
02:57 PM on 02/26/2010
THE WORLD IS WATCHING.
WE SEE YOU ARE TRYING AND SEE THE PROGRESS....
WITH A UNANIMOUS VOTE OF FIVE (5)
BARACK OBAMA - 2009 NOBEL PEACE PRIZE WINNER CONGRATULATIONS !!!

Note from Ireland:
Maith thú (well done )

People here support you and your country
and are immensely happy with the decision to continue the fight ...

continue the fight for PEACE .. .

for a nuclear FREE world

and that ALL people should be considered equal and FREE...all men ..all women ...all different creeds , races , colors ...sexual orientations , people of different political views ..

TO CONSIDER ACCESS TO QUALITY ,AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE AS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT !

YES WE CAN ...work ALL together ... WE are behind you MR. President ...WE believe in you and the Amercian people to lead the way ...to keep us all safe ...for us to ALL prosper ...

YES WE CAN ! FIRED UP! READY TO GO!

AND ONE LAST THING ...do NOT let down ..do NOT give up...do NOT stop the pressure ...talk to thy neighbour ...do not slip by the person on the street ...look them in the eye ...smile ...as if we are ALL in the know ...NOVEMBER...VOTE ....the JOB is NOT finished ...finally SHOUT OVER the shouters ...do not walk away in disgust ...FIGHT ...

YES WE CAN!
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bthechangeyouseek
01:19 PM on 02/27/2010
Indeed the world is watching. And when we try to impose our democracy on other countries, they see first hand how dysfunctional it can be.