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Obama Calls Out Lamar Alexander On His Facts: AP Fact Check (VIDEO)

AP/ Huffington Post   First Posted: 04/27/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:40 PM ET

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WASHINGTON -- When President Barack Obama and a Republican lawmaker sparred Thursday over what might happen to health insurance premiums in an overhauled system, both cited a nonpartisan analysis that looked at that very question. The president gave a fairer summary of what the analysis found.

Tennessee Sen. Lamar Alexander declared in his statement to the White House health policy conference that "for millions of Americans, premiums will go up" under the Obama plan. That much could be true -- but for millions of others, premiums are expected to go down and those who face higher costs would be getting better coverage than they have now.

The debate on that point is key if Americans are to accept the insurance changes Obama wants. Democrats know that pitching their plan as a means to extend coverage to the uninsured is not enough: They must convince middle-income Americans who already have insurance that they, too, will end up with a better deal under the overhaul. So the squabble was about more than a bureaucratic report.

Obama sharply challenged Alexander on his claim and insisted he had the facts on his side when quoting from the report by the Congressional Budget Office. For the most part, he did.

THE CLAIMS:

Obama: "Lamar, when you mentioned earlier that you said premiums go up, that's just not the case, according to the Congressional Budget Office."

Alexander: "Mr. President, if you're going to contradict me, I ought to have a chance .... The Congressional Budget Office report says that premiums will rise in the individual market as a result of the Senate bill."

Obama: "No, no, no, no. Let me -- and this is an example of where we've got to get our facts straight."

Alexander: "That's my point."

Obama: "Well, exactly, so let me -- let me respond to what you just said, Lamar, because it's not factually accurate. ... Here's what the Congressional Budget Office says: The costs for families for the same type of coverage that they're currently receiving would go down 14 percent to 20 percent. What the Congressional Budget Office says is that because now they've got a better deal, because policies are cheaper, they may choose to buy better coverage than they have right now, and that might be 10 percent to 13 percent more expensive than the bad insurance that they had previously."

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THE FACTS:

Both are right, but Obama offered important context that Alexander left out.

The analysis estimated that average premiums for people buying insurance individually would be 10 to 13 percent higher in 2016 under the Senate legislation, as Alexander said. But the policies would cover more, and about half the people would be getting substantial government subsidies to defray the extra costs.

As the president said, if the policies offered today were offered in 2016, they would be considerably cheaper under the plan, even without subsidies. One big reason: Many more healthy young people would be signing up for the coverage because insurance would become mandatory. They are cheap to insure and would moderate costs for others.

Moreover, the analysis estimated that almost 60 percent of the people covered under individual policies would qualify for subsidies, bringing their own costs down by more than half from what they pay now.

Obama was correct that the forecast for higher costs on average is based on the expectation that people would buy better coverage. But that might not be as voluntary as he made it sound. The report said the Senate legislation sets minimum levels of coverage and that would require some people to pay for better insurance than they have now.

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03:17 PM on 02/28/2010
Don't expect Lamar Alexander to concede the point. He has made a life out of half truths and outright lies! Who would expect him to change now. Certainly not the good people of Tennesse who decided that they prefered his brand of "truth telling" to anything factual!

Lamar will always be himself, a lying, sniveling, self serving rat. His "character" is too deeply entrenched at this point for him to make any statement with even a small element of truth in it. He continues to emulate his hero and mentor Richard M. Nixon while lacking Nixon's basic concern for the improvement of the United States and it people!
01:49 PM on 02/28/2010
Alexander is doing all he can to insure, the ones with it all get more and the ones that have nothing get less.
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10:43 AM on 02/28/2010
Wow! this is refreshingly informative & unbiased coming from AP - usually AP Washington reporting is slanted waaayyyy to the Right.....

Excellent reporting, Mr. Woodward! This is SO much more clear than the mealymouthed NPR analysis I heard on Fri., which started off by saying they were BOTH sort of correct, then proceeded to reveal the same disparity highlighted by this report & concluding w/ 'it's complicated' - grrrr
11:52 PM on 02/27/2010
Lamar Alexandra, a man who went to Bagdad in 19778 to sell Nerve Gases, that Saddam used to kill man people, Iranians, and Iraqis, in violation of the Geneva Convention. G. W. Bush, himself was appalled by this!

Lamar Alexander enabled the killing of men, women, and children from the Seventies through the Eightys by the dictator Saddam! Lamar also profited from these sales, very handsomely, very, very handsomely!

Instead, Lamar Alexander, is, in some incredible diplay of Chutzba is challenging the President of the United States on such significant matters as accounting methods? Not upon WMD's, and how many hundreds of thousands of people died as a result of his financial gains, but upon accounting methods!

What is more important in the USA now? Accounting methods or complicity in mass murder???

We've seen what Lamar Alexander believes! Although he's a self professed "Christian", we know that Lamar believes he is the first among us without sin. We also know he has said that he has never committed a sin and has no human failings to answer for! This is far from my understanding of the words of God, a man who appears to think that Jesus, the son of God, who died to redeem the sins of all mankind, is a poor second to himself.

I, for one believe in Jesus, my Lord and Savior! I no longer listen to Lamar Alexander when he tells me I should believe in him, Lamar, a man holier than Jesus!
10:38 AM on 02/28/2010
seek help
08:42 PM on 02/27/2010
"Dumb uneducated folks that would fight against their own interest is enough to make my head explode".

Reduced the cost NOW!!!
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03:42 AM on 02/28/2010
Have you had enough tea from the teaparty?
07:48 PM on 02/27/2010
I read "we the people" a lot in these postings. It should read "we the profiteers" since that's what we're talking about... making profit off people getting sick. In this sick society of ours everything is motivated by profit and it is encouraged by our decision makers. If you are selling cookies then add all the marketing and graft you want, but some things should have profit motivation removed from the equation. Health care is in the sad shape it's in now because all the profit takers out there put money into the health industry who pay off law makers that keep them in business. Take profit out of health care and fire or jail any politician caught taking money from the health care industry.

Somehow we can find trillions of dollars to pay for the stupid wars of the last few years. It is inconceivable to me that so much negative energy is going down fighting spending a similar amount of money on health care for all... saving lives rather than taking lives.
09:52 PM on 02/27/2010
Eating is pretty important. Should farmers not want to make money?
12:01 PM on 02/28/2010
If needed, I could grow my own food. I can't take out my own kidney.

You can't make the comparison of food to health. People eat multiple times a day while some only go to the doctor once a year.
07:40 PM on 02/27/2010
OH! I see , Alexander didn't figure in the "substantial government subsidies" that are going to reduce the cost. Hmm, wait, and where is that money coming from? Nice spin - But I'm not buying it
11:45 PM on 02/27/2010
no, the point is that he misread, or rather distorted, the CBO report.
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01:38 PM on 02/28/2010
Purposely distorted is more likely what Lamar did, in order to raise doubts and stall progress. It's not about what's right for you and me. It's about making Obama fail.
06:03 PM on 02/27/2010
I think most of the chatters know more about the health care reform than most of the people in the houses... most do not read , they let their aides read and give them a review and they take it from their and add what they want the public to hear, not what is in it
04:01 PM on 02/27/2010
Premiums are going to go up anyway.

Until the anti-trust exemption on health insurers and malpractice insurers is abolished , premiums and cost will continue to spiral upward. There is no competition in the market to stop it.

This is the most important issue in health care reform. Please do not let the spin divert your attention elsewhere
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alw2030
03:17 AM on 02/28/2010
Obama put in the anti-trust exemption,for helthcare ,I don't know about the malpractice ,but I think you can find out.But I do know that the anti-trust thing is kicking the republicans in the ass.
03:21 PM on 02/27/2010
so not only are my insurance costs going up, but my taxes are going up to pay for the subsidies for the 60% of people who are going to receive them
05:35 PM on 02/27/2010
Reid. So you don't read much do you?
11:16 PM on 02/27/2010
meaning?
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01:41 PM on 02/28/2010
Your insurance costs are not going up, and, unless your household income is $200,000 or more, your taxes aren't going up either. That's Obama's plan. Now ... after the Republicans get a hold of it, no telling what will happen. If you leave it in the hands of corporations, your premiums are going to go up because their goal is to make money, not to serve you.
10:51 PM on 02/28/2010
Funny, the CBO states - http://cboblog.cbo.gov/?p=473 that they only received the proposal on the 22nd, and "and we have just begun the process of reviewing it—a process that will take some time, given the complexity of the issues involved. Although the proposal reflects many elements that were included in the health care bills passed by the House and the Senate last year, it modifies many of those elements and also includes new ones. Moreover, preparing a cost estimate requires very detailed specifications of numerous provisions, and the materials that were released this morning do not provide sufficient detail on all of the provisions. Therefore, CBO cannot provide a cost estimate for the proposal without additional detail, and, even if such detail were provided, analyzing the proposal would be a time-consuming process that could not be completed this week."

So where are these CBO numbers being quoted coming from and which proposal do they represent?
11:05 PM on 02/28/2010
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/11/obama-may-consider-tax-increases/
President Obama, still seeking to get Congressional Republicans to join in a bipartisan commission to reduce the federal debt, suggested he would be willing to break his campaign promise against raising taxes on households with less than $250,000 annual income.

“The whole point of it is to make sure that all ideas are on the table,” the president said in the interview on Tuesday with Bloomberg BusinessWeek that the publication released online today. That included not only tax increases, he added, but also spending on the popular government health programs, Medicare and Medicaid, whose fast-growing costs are driving the projections of unsustainable annual deficits in coming years.
11:02 AM on 02/27/2010
alex. nexct time that talk to beck
tell him to give you the right consteat cabron
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06:02 AM on 02/27/2010
This article is wrong. Obama was wrong. IF BOTH would have actually LOOKED at the CBO report, they would have seen the CBO prediction that rates will go up 10-13%. But, Obama either didn't know the facts, or they didn't FIT his desired outcome for the summit meeting. Don't believe me? Check out the report at www.cbo.gov FACTS? Lamar gave them and they were deceitfully shot down--this is how this administration and the Dems work. Don't like the facts? CHANGE THEM...and then lie. YOU LIE MR. PRESIDENT!!
09:32 AM on 02/27/2010
Joe Wilson, is that you? Like Alexander, you forgot about thé subsidies. Funny how that pesky fact always falls into the conservative memory hole for incinvenient facts.
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08:39 PM on 02/27/2010
Where do the subsidies come from??? Taxes!! Guess where taxes come from??? You and me!! Unless YOU don't work...then I pay for you AND me!!

I know it's difficult, but try to follow the logic through to it's finish!!
mollybeejay
"Can't we all just get along?" Rodney King
01:13 PM on 02/27/2010
Forgot to take the blinders off again?
03:21 PM on 02/26/2010
When you truncate the truth you end up on Fox; Unfair and unbalanced. Alexander was lying and he knew it. Wouldn't have been so bad if he had just shut up instead of insisting that he was going to provide the facts that prov3ed the president wrong. Paul Ryan is another double speak expert. He tried to say that if you cut Medicare Advantage out of the mix you wouldn't incur savings. Cited double accounting, he simply didn't have a clue of what he was saying.
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Truth is not plural
11:06 PM on 02/26/2010
the Pugs just lurve them that CBO, that is until they don't like what it says. Newt pulled the same crud back in the day.
02:18 PM on 02/26/2010
Wise man say, "That's what happens when you get your Faqs from Fox"
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03:36 AM on 02/28/2010
Facts on fox there is no such thing,they have no facts they just make stuff up.
They work for the GOP.That should tell you