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House Democrats May Switch Health Care Votes

CHARLES BABINGTON   03/ 1/10 11:05 PM ET   AP

House Health Care Vote

WASHINGTON — Nine House Democrats indicated in an Associated Press survey Monday they have not ruled out switching their "no" votes to "yes" on President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, brightening the party's hopes in the face of unyielding Republican opposition.

The White House tried to smooth the way for them, showing its own openness to changes in the landmark legislation and making a point of saying the administration is not using parliamentary tricks or loopholes to find the needed support.

Democratic leaders have strongly signaled they will use a process known as "budget reconciliation" to try to push part of the package through the Senate without allowing Republicans to talk it to death with filibusters. The road could be even more difficult in the House, where Speaker Nancy Pelosi is struggling to secure enough Democratic votes for approval, thus the effort to attract former foes.

The White House said Obama will outline his final "way forward" in a Washington speech Wednesday, and he is expected to embrace a handful of Republican ideas for making health care more efficient.

Few in Washington think those gestures will be enough to persuade a single House or Senate Republican to embrace the legislation. But they could give wavering Democrats political cover by showing the party has been willing to compromise, ammunition against campaign accusations this fall that they rammed the bill through Congress with no regard for other views.

The proposal would impose new restrictions on insurance companies and order health insurance coverage for as many as 30 million Americans who now lack it, among many other changes.

Persuading lawmakers to change their votes is a tough sell. Elected officials are loath to vote two ways on a controversial issue, feeling such a switch draws more resentment than support overall. Democratic leaders stress that the legislative package soon to reach the House will be less expensive than the one that passed in November and will contain no government-run insurance program to compete with private insurers.

They hope those changes will give additional cover to party moderates thinking of switching from no to yes.

The House version of health care passed 220-215 in November, with 39 Democrats voting against it. Since then, defections, resignations and a death have taken away yes votes.

With four House seats now vacant, Pelosi would need 216 votes to approve the Senate-passed version, which replaces the jettisoned House bill. That's exactly the number she has now if no other members switch their votes.

In interviews with the AP, at least nine of the 39 Democrats – or their spokesmen – either declined to state their positions or said they were undecided about the revised legislation, making them likely targets for intense wooing by Pelosi and Obama. Three of them – Brian Baird of Washington, Bart Gordon of Tennessee and John Tanner of Tennessee – are not seeking re-election this fall.

The others are Rick Boucher of Virginia, Suzanne Kosmas of Florida, Frank Kratovil of Maryland, Michael McMahon of New York, Scott Murphy of New York and Glenn Nye of Virginia. Several lawmakers' offices did not reply to the AP queries.

Rep. Walt Minnick of Idaho will not change his vote from no, his spokesman, Dean Ferguson, said Monday night. Minnick had declined to state a position when contacted earlier by the AP.

Both parties have used the "reconciliation" strategy to pass big bills before, but Republicans call the health care push an unwarranted departure from standard practices.

Top Democrats are reminding colleagues and voters at home that the Senate already has passed its version of the health care bill on Christmas Eve with a super-majority of 60 votes, which squelched a GOP filibuster without resorting to reconciliation rules. The new plan calls for the House to pass that same bill and send it to Obama for his signature.

But that is contingent on a Senate promise to make several subsequent changes. Those would have to be approved under the special budget reconciliation rules, because Democrats now control only 59 of the Senate's 100 votes – one shy of the number needed to stop a bill-killing filibuster.

Democratic leaders have asked colleagues not to use the term "reconciliation" but instead to refer to the process as "majority vote," said Rep. Allyson Schwartz, D-Pa. They also are frequently using the term "up or down vote."

The political math in the House is daunting. Many lawmakers expect further defections, especially members who oppose legalized abortion and feel the Senate language is too permissive in regulating federal funds for those operations.

For every yes vote that switches to no, Pelosi and the White House must persuade one of the 39 Democrats who voted "nay" in November to switch to yes.

Obama's announcement on Wednesday is expected to be a freshened blueprint of what he wants to see in a final health care bill, updated with ideas that at least have the fingerprints of Republicans.

The plan will replace the one Obama posted one week ago, but will not be written in legislative language.

Obama's move underscores his ever-growing role in shaping what he hopes will be a far-reaching revision to the nation's health care system, a goal that has eluded other presidents dating to Theodore Roosevelt.

Politically, it would also allow him to say that he was listening to Republicans at his ballyhooed bipartisan summit last week and that he has since responded by including more areas of common ground.

But Republicans have shown no sign of backing his proposal no matter how it is changed.

Obama also will outline how he wants the process to unfold in Congress. Officials signaled it will involve Senate reconciliation rules unless there's a stunning last-minute overture from Republicans.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs would not confirm that plan Monday. But he repeated that health care deserves an up-or-down vote and that Republicans have used reconciliation on major legislation.

When asked if the public cares about legislative process, Gibbs said: "I think the American people care about what's in the bill."

Since Thursday's summit, Obama has been involved in a series of meetings in which the new White House proposal is being shaped.

Gibbs said Obama has worked to get votes in every round of the health care debate. "I don't doubt that he will ... do the same thing this time to get the votes necessary to pass health care," Gibbs said.

Rep. Eric Cantor of Virginia, the House's second-ranking Republican, made it clear that Republicans see a Democrats-only bill as an election-year issue.

"If Speaker Pelosi rams through this bill," he said this weekend, Democrats "will lose their majority in Congress in November."

Meanwhile Monday, Obama's argument that private insurance plans serving one-fourth of Medicare recipients are significantly overpaid got support from a report to Congress by nonpartisan technical advisers. Democrats have targeted Medicare Advantage plans for a big chunk of the cuts that would free funds to cover the uninsured.

The report by the Medicare Payment Advisory Commission found that last year Medicare spent about $14 billion more for seniors enrolled in private plans than would have been the case if those beneficiaries had stayed in the traditional program. One consequence was that all Medicare recipients _whether in private plans or the traditional program_ ended up paying an additional $3.35 a month in premiums to cover the costs.

The Senate health care bill that Obama supports would replace the current payment formula for the private plans with an approach based on competitive bidding.

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Associated Press writers Ben Feller, Erica Werner, Alan Fram and Ricardo Alonso-Zaldivar in Washington; Brian Witte in Annapolis, Md.; Valerie Bauman in Albany, N.Y.; Rebecca Boone in Boise, Idaho; Meghan Barr in Cleveland; Melissa Nelson in Pensacola, Fla.; Robert Lewis in Richmond, Va., Erik Schelzig in Nashville, Tenn.; Angela K. Brown in Fort Worth, Texas; Dirk Lammers in Sioux Falls, S.D., and Melinda Deslatte in Baton Rouge, La., contributed to this report.

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WASHINGTON — Nine House Democrats indicated in an Associated Press survey Monday they have not ruled out switching their "no" votes to "yes" on President Barack Obama's health care overhaul, bri...
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11:57 AM on 03/19/2010
NO - for this Health Reform Act. How many government run programs that are supposed to be FOR the people are actually working effectively? Just think about it. I do not want to pay for another government run fiasco... the same way they run Social Security, the Postal Service, Public Education... and so much more. Figure it out. they want their thumb on all aspects of our lives and when will people begin to see that this is how we are losing our independence... that yep, some people died for... their sons and daughters died for it... and we will wake up some day and wonder "what the heck?" because we were too blind to see how the government knows we are unhappy and they are trying to find ways to secure their jobs. If people can't see this, I truly and humbly feel sorry for them. If this thing passes, I am telling you, one day we will all wake up and wonder where our freedom went. I believe we need to put a cap on the cost of health care, but I don't agree with the government's involvement with it in any other way. When I lived in Germany, a German friend's wife died because their socialized medicine sent her to a bad doctor who gave her the wrong medicine and because it was government controlled, they had no recourse. How long do you think it will be for us? Think a bit about it all. Please.
02:27 PM on 03/02/2010
I have just about had it with these Dems ! Get the "f"ing thing passed already ! Grow a pair and get it done. You are losing your base with all these indecisions and back and forth. I tell you what ! If this was passed from last year, no one would remember it by now. Instead, the Dems just keep giving the Rethugs the opportunity to make more noise about healthcare as it is constantly in the news and the forefront of discussions. Get the bill passed already so that we all can move on to something else .......like jobs !!!!!!!!!!!
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09:40 AM on 03/04/2010
WE WILL REMEMBER! Those politcos that fail to vote for the public option will be remembered! They will have touched the 3rd rail! Any one who demands compulsory heath insurance without a true public option is just a corporate thief for the insurance companies! WE WILL REMEMBER!!!
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01:37 PM on 03/02/2010
no PO = no cost control = no meaningful reform.

PO or bust.

Do the right thing, Dems, or lose (my) support.
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01:16 PM on 03/02/2010
The health care issue has been dragged on assumption that Democratic Party will get the credit. The intelligentsia opined it would have been OK, if the opposition would fight for the benefit for the citizens. But no the opposition party is playing with the Health Care Rights of the citizens. What a fallacy of mean politics.

What an immature comment from a responsible senator to talk. When the entire country is expecting something better to comes out after the long discussion, the president had with senators and leaders of the opposition. Why oppose at all commented the Political strategists. .

The Political analysts claimed and also mentioned in the article that it has been reliably reported that the opposition is bent upon to oppose.

The Political analysts opined that now is the time that both the party should stand firm together to vote and pass the most needed right of the citizens of the country to Health Care Bill to cover millions of American left out uncovered by health care.

Let both Shake hands and pass the bill to be sent to the President for signature instead of thinking who will benefit how much politically at this juncture, when millions of own countrymen are waiting anxiously for the health care right to pass. This is the time to sink all differences and work hand in hand and shoulder to shoulder to prove to the nation that they do politics for the PEOPLE.
04:53 PM on 03/02/2010
The fact is, FACTISFACT, that the current proposal is NOT good for 'the PEOPLE' (though it might be good for some): it's a massive give-away to the industry that taxpayers and consumers will pay for rather than anything resembling real 'reform', and thus should die the death that it deserves to help pave the way (and the impetus) for the REAL reform that we so desperately need.

But I heartily agree that it should not be passed or opposed based on a calculation for political gain.
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09:28 AM on 03/04/2010
Hi! My friend Bill, Thanks a lot for your kind comment on FACTISFACT'S comment.

Your concern along with the point raised has been noted by FACTISFACT and the same will be placed to the proper concern and forum for consideration and if they find it acceptable then the same will be incorporated in their comments next time.

Thanks a lot once again for the comment, Take Care.
11:45 AM on 03/02/2010
If Cantor says Dems will lose their majority if HCR is passed, that means he is afraid it's passage will help the Dems keep their seats and add a few more. IF he really thought HCR was bad for Dems, he would be doing every thing he could to see that it got passed. This is why people like him are called concern trolls.
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11:13 AM on 03/02/2010
Bring it Ewwick Can'tor.
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11:21 AM on 03/02/2010
Lol! I can't stand that dyed-hair Cantor dweeb! His facial expressions were priceless when Obama smacked him down at the summit last Thursday.
10:47 AM on 03/02/2010
Yesterday this number was 10. By next week it will be down to zero.
11:13 AM on 03/02/2010
Yesterday this number was 10. By next week it will be down to zero.
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Okay if you say so.
God knows you're quite a fortune teller in your trailer park.
10:38 AM on 03/02/2010
The media won't tackle the task of Reconciliation.

The Reconciliation Budget Act of 1974 was passed as a way for THE DEMOCRATS to adjust the budget process without starting over with annual budgets

Republicans have only used the Reconciliation process during budget votes

Socialized Medicine is far more than a budget adjustment - but no one will ask our leaders why they would use this. Furthermore, no one is asking Pelosi what the difference is in Reconciliation and Simple Majority....
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10:57 AM on 03/02/2010
The up or down vote going to be done only the differences to the bills that effect the budget. Health care has already passed the the house and senate. Keep up.
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11:05 AM on 03/02/2010
If we could just make sure that all baggers and others opposed to health insurance reform would stay completely away from government help or the doctor's office or hospital if they cannot pay their bill before treatment, then I feel confident that I could live with things the way they are. As it is now, they seem to be the first ones to show up and wrack up huge bills they cannot or will not bother to pay. Prime example - has Sam Whatzhisname paid his overdue hospital bills yet? How about that bagger in Missouri who rushed to the hospital after that rally where he involved himself in an altercation - has he paid his bill in full yet? These people need to live with the nonsense that's coming out of their mouths before they are any sort of credible voice on this issue. Lose your job and therefore your coverage - tough. You wanted employer based insurance. Live with it.
Or, we could try something more fair and cheaper in the long run. What it comes down to, is we've lived and suffered with the current status quo and it isn't working. If you don't care to try something new, then I insist you live with what you're saying.
04:48 PM on 03/02/2010
I have not met one person opposed to health care reform, on any side of the issue. What some people are opposed to is this particular legislation. It is poorly written and does not accomplish the goals that it seeks to achieve. If you leave enough holes and gaps in a document like this, the health insurance situation and ultimately the health care system will likely get even worse. Remember, it is not 30-50 million lives at stake, it's 304 million.
10:32 AM on 03/02/2010
Oh, look, just enough house democrats have changed their vote, so the new bill could pass - hahahah. Who are they kidding? They have never been against the bill, they only pretended so because their votes were not needed at the time. They are no moderate democrats - they are all liberal extremists!
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10:36 AM on 03/02/2010
Your definition of liberal extremists and mine are no where near the same.
10:38 AM on 03/02/2010
LenoFan? That says it all.
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CindiT
10:45 AM on 03/02/2010
Lol! That was my first thought when I read that inane post!
10:29 AM on 03/02/2010
What happened to the 10th Democrat was going to switch his vote?
10:29 AM on 03/02/2010
Heard Representative Allison Schwartz (sic) from Pennsylvania interviewed on the Bill Press radio show this a.m.. She indicated she was a strong "supporter" of the public option but has now changed her tune and doesn't think it's possible in reconciliation. The hacks in the Democratic party have been giving their marching orders from Obamarhama and the "fig" leaf of support for the public option is falling off exposing them for what they are.
10:27 AM on 03/02/2010
Great, the govt. run postal service lost 7 billion doolars last year and you want the govt. to run 1/6 of our economy?

You people are nuts !
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10:40 AM on 03/02/2010
Or we could put it off for another generation and then health care will be 1/3 of our economy, would that be better?

So the post office lost 7 billion? So what? Maybe we should privatize it so we can pay $9 to mail a letter just like with Fedex or UPS? Thought that magazine subscription to 'Republicans with Guns' was expensive before, think again.
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CindiT
10:46 AM on 03/02/2010
Great response! I was going to fan you but I already had. Have a great day!
10:40 AM on 03/02/2010
And how much did the "too big to fail" banks, Wall Street investment firms, the auto makers and insurance giant AIG lose? Try again.
10:21 AM on 03/02/2010
It will be fascinating to see if the Democrats are able to pass this bill. My perspective up to now has been that many have been hiding behind the opposition from the Republicans. In other words they can SAY they support the bill without having to vote to pass it.

The bill they are asking to support includes the payoffs to Nelson ($100 million) and Landrieu ($300 million), tax breaks only for union members, no tort reform and so on.

These congresspeople know that they will have to explain why they supported a bill that included these items.

I'm a conservative and want to see if the Democrats have the courage to pass this package. They have the numbers and it is time to see if they really support this legislation.
10:51 AM on 03/02/2010
"It will be fasinating to see if the Democrats can pass this bill". Did you just arrive in America? Obama made the first speech for this bill on September 8, 2009. We have had 6 months of this crap. When are the Democrats going to finally admit that it is over?
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CindiT
11:01 AM on 03/02/2010
The Dems are NOT going to admit it is over because it ISN"T over! The last 6 months, we have been "playing nice" with the the party of "no". You just wish it was over but we are in this fight for as long as it takes. Now, why don't you just scurry back over to the drudge report or wherever you guys like to hang out.

We've had eight years of "crap" from the repugnants and their repugnant leader and just because we're nicer, doesn't mean we're wimping out. We're smarter.
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11:18 AM on 03/02/2010
What is over?
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10:19 AM on 03/02/2010
Okay...so this is cool; but will they (Democrats) have enough votes needed to get the Public Option passed? I'm still waiting to see how many Republicans are willing to sign on. I know...it's just my chess game; however it is worth considering.

All the Democrats need to do is "pass" HCR and save their seats; especially with the gifts that Bunning and Kyl has given them. That would be the Republicans waterloo! lol!!
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Daveg000
10:14 AM on 03/02/2010
These Democratic obstructionalists better start thinking about what is happening to Blanche Lincoln!

If you haven't donated to her primary opponent yet, think about it.

It is the best way that I have seen to send the message!