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First Posted: 5/4/10 Updated: 5/25/11

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President Obama began his meeting with leading House progressives by bringing in a letter from an Ohio woman who wrote him to say that her skyrocketing premiums will soon cause her to lose her health insurance.

"It was a very serious, low-key discussion. If this was a piano, you're hearing very deep chords here," said one member who asked for anonymity.

Obama argued to the group of progressive members that his health care reform bill should be looked at as the foundation of reform, that can be built on in the future. He asked them to help gather votes for the final health care battle and promised that as soon as the bill was signed into law, he'd continue to push to make it stronger. But in a matter of weeks, he stressed, he could sign into law legislation that would lead to 31 million new people being insured, including the woman who wrote him.

It has been surprising to some people that he is still fighting for health care reform, Obama told the group. "He said, and I think he's absolutely right, that a lot of people, I think, are surprised at his persistence that in some ways this health care reform has been lifted from the near dead to becoming a reality in the next couple of weeks," said Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.). "He said, quite specifically, that what we could say to people was that once the bill passes the president made a commitment to work to make improvements down the road."

Attendees included Reps. Lynn Woolsey (Calif.) and Raul Grijalva (Ariz.), Congressional Progressive Caucus Co-chairs; Schakowsky and Lucille Roybal-Allard (Calif.), the CPC's Health Care Task Force co-chair; Rep. Barbara Lee (Calif.), chair of the Congressional Black Caucus; Rep. Mike Honda (Calif.), chair of the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus; and Reps. Madeleine Bordallo (Guam), Donna Christensen (Virgin Islands), Danny Davis (Ill.), Dennis Kucinich (Ohio) and Nydia Velazquez (D-N.Y.), Congressional Hispanic Caucus Chair.

Of those, only Kucinich voted no, but Christensen and Bordallo don't have a vote on the House floor. None of the members, including Kucinich, indicated that they would vote any differently this time around. "I think [Kucinich] left the meeting leaving the impression with the president that he's a no-go," said Schakowsky.

But, said one attendee, Obama pointed Kucinich toward single-payer language that Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) was able to get into the bill. Kucinich fought for an amendment that would allow states to adopt single-payer systems without getting sued by insurance companies. Obama told Kucinich that Sanders's measure was similar but doesn't kick in for several years. "He definitely wrote it down," said one member of Kucinich, suggesting that he'd look into it.

The meeting was entirely non-confrontational, said members who were present, but Grijalva did raise the issue of the public option.

"He just said that the public option, something that he has supported along the way, is not something that we can pass. And he emphasized the fact that the decision now is between doing as much as we can do and doing nothing. That's it. He thought the whole foundation thing -- that this is definitely something we could be proud of, something we could build off [of]," said Schakowsky.

Woolsey told Obama that she'd be introducing legislation to create a public option and Obama said he encouraged the effort, according to Schakowsky.

On Wednesday, Grijalva threatened to vote no on the bill because it gave too much away to the GOP and didn't include a public option. That threat was not made to Obama, two members said. "He certainly didn't indicate at all that he was going to be a no vote. I did not get that sense," said Schakowsky.

Obama's handling of the meeting impressed Schakowsky who, as a fellow Chicago-area politician, has known him for some time. "He was totally engaged. And he's really good at that," she said. "No matter what else was on his plate, he's totally present."

Update: Responding to the president's claim that the votes aren't there to pass a public option, the Progressive Change Campaign Committee's Adam Green emails over the following statement:

Obama is telling America, "No, we can't." But we've been showing more and more each day, "Yes, we can" pass the public option. If President Obama doesn't think the votes exist in the Senate, he needs to name which senators would oppose it. If he can't or won't, there's no reason for House progressives to be part of the White House's loser mentality
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President Obama began his meeting with leading House progressives by bringing in a letter from an Ohio woman who wrote him to say that her skyrocketing premiums will soon cause her to lose her health ...
President Obama began his meeting with leading House progressives by bringing in a letter from an Ohio woman who wrote him to say that her skyrocketing premiums will soon cause her to lose her health ...
 
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who38 07:55 PM on 03/04/2010
"It has been surprising to some people that he is still fighting for health care reform, Obama told the group. "He said, and I think he's absolutely right, that a lot of people, I think, are surprised at his persistenc­e that in some ways this health care reform has been lifted from the near dead to becoming a reality in the next couple of weeks," said Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.).  Read More...
12:30 AM on 03/10/2010
Civil Rights legislatio­n?

Went for the whole thing at once. That's because there was no way we could come back and twist people's arms off for add-ons and no one wanted to reopen the legislatio­n -- that would give a chance for some to take important things out of the bill.

Same thing with voter's rights bills; same thing with all other significan­t and transforma­tive legislatio­n -- all the way back to the anti-trust bills etc.

This trust me, it'll only hurt a little bit, is ridiculous­. The bill doesn't take effect for 8 years and insurers will use the interim the same way the credit card companies used their waiting period. Hmmph!

FIX THE BILL NOW -- NOT LATER!
03:58 PM on 03/08/2010
I'd be more worried about the Insurance Industry that continues to raise premiums than I would be about socialism. There are millions of Americans that depend on social security and medicare and I don't hear them complainin­g. Call it whatever you like, but we would all be better off without the Insurance industry between us and our Doctor. I don't believe the citizens of Canada, England, France, Switzerlan­d, Taiwan, or even CUBA would trade their health care system for ours. At least not the average citizen.
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Marlyn
Always wrong, but never in doubt.
02:34 PM on 03/08/2010
"legislati­on that would lead to 31 million new people being insured" ???

Euphemism for millions being force to buy insurance.
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beckola
Dance like no one is watching
08:43 AM on 03/08/2010
Obama previously said:

“While we all believe that reform must be built around our existing private health insurance system, I believe that we must hold the insurance industry to clear rules, so they can't arbitraril­y raise rates or reduce or eliminate coverage."

We all believe that reform must be built around our existing private health insurance system?!

Who is he talking about when he says "WE all believe"?

Certainly not those of us who put him in office because he promised health care reform.

There will be no teeth in this legislatio­n that truly hold the insurance industry to clear rules. 30 million new subscriber­s, lots of extra $$, more lobbying power.

The old adage, "The more things change, the more they stay the same" has never been truer.
07:29 AM on 03/08/2010
My wife is from Eastern Europe, born and raised under socialism.­.
That would make her somewhat of an expert on the topic.

She points out American politician­s to me all the time, telling me that he or she are socialist.­.

The list of those she points out is quite long.. and Obama is included..

She thinks we Americans are quite stupid to not be able to see through the, so called, progressiv­e agenda. From her point of view they will just keep taking our rights away in the name of progress..
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PBMac
03:53 PM on 03/08/2010
What rights is she talking about? The right to have NO health care available, the right to be slaves to corporate interests, which, by the way already own most of this country. I don't believe that there is a even a small number of people in countries that have some sort of a government sponsored health care plan in place, e.g., the UK, France, Germany, Japan , Switzerlan­d, Canada or Singapore that consider even for a moment consider what we have here.
09:13 PM on 03/08/2010
You should check you facts. We have health care available to everyone in this country, although it is an unfunded mandate requiring hospitals to take care of you for free.

You may be a slave to corporate interests, but speak for yourself. I am not.

I don't need the government to give me rights. We already have them. the problem is when the government want to control them.. Then they can be taken away.
Harpo1129
You can't spell Progressive without Progress
07:11 AM on 03/08/2010
CSMretired ranger said:

"Harpo --- Be honest Man -- Have you ever been to Europe?? For real -- once you cross from Germany into France you start seeing War Ruins from WW II - Italy is outta control - Tell me Hero how many months a year do european kids go to school? I lived there Dude ... Now go google something to try and prove me wrong"

Actually, I've been to Europe many times. I have friends in Germany that we vacation with. I've been to Germany, France, Italy and Austria. Sorry to pop your self rightious baloon Dude. And what the hell does europian schools have to do with this discussion­?
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05:29 AM on 03/08/2010
I was just watching CSPAN. A couple of "experts" were debating Obama's mandatory insurance bill.

People were calling in, expressing their opinions.

It suddenly dawned on me Dems do not seem to understand that mandatory insurance will guarantee insurance companies receive full premiums. Obama's mandatory insurance offers subsidies based on income and family size, but those subsidies go straight to insurance companies.

What that means is that people will be paying for insurance twice. Once when you pay the premiums, subsidized or otherwise, and a second time when you buy the thousands of things that wil be taxed to provide those subsidies.

I can't tell you what all those things are because they are still deciding, but it will include stuff like aspirins, cough medicines, or anything else you would buy at a pharmacy. Not to mention the tax on the stuff doctors & nurses routinely use.

This is a scam on a grand scale.

BTW, those CBO numbers are fictional so you can ignore them. The Director of the CBO admitted they are "unreliabl­e" (aka phony).
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Joan Jacobs
11:04 AM on 03/08/2010
Can you tell me, please, where I'd go to read what the Director of the CBO said exactly? For your edificatio­n - unreliable does not mean phony. So even if that's what he said, it doesn't mean what you apparently think it does.

Webster wrote a great book that might help you in this regard...i­t's called a dictionary­. If you can't afford to buy one, every libraray in the country has one.
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12:11 PM on 03/08/2010
The Director of the CBO has a blog.

His words:

"The analysis presented here reflects the cost estimate for the legislatio­n that CBO and JCT provided on November 18. The same substantia­l degree of uncertaint­y that surrounds CBO and JCT’s estimates of the impact that the proposal would have on insurance coverage rates and the federal budget also accompanie­s this analysis of the proposal’s effects on premiums."

Source: http://cbo­blog.cbo.g­ov/?p=434

Bureaucrat­ese is not found in the dictionary­. When a bureaucrat publicly says "substanti­al degree of uncertaint­y," what that means is "we don't know."

What that means is "we made it up."

What that means is "they are phony."
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Marlyn
Always wrong, but never in doubt.
02:40 PM on 03/08/2010
"mandatory insurance will guarantee insurance companies receive full premiums"

Exactly. This bill would insure that we NEVER get rid of private for-profit insurance in our health care system.

Obama talks about building onto the existing system when we all know that the solution is to get insurance companies out.

Socialism? Bring it on.
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Salukeitis
04:20 PM on 03/07/2010
"Progressi­ve" is a VERY positive word for an extremely correct political philosophy­. The opposite to it is REGRESSIVE­-looking backward - sound familiar maybe like "Conservat­ive". It all fits.

What about this progressiv­e view of Health Care: Pass O's plan and take a tiny step forward (Progress)­. Then 30 million people will be thrown into the abyss, the arms of private ins. At least 10 million just can't pay it, right. Doesn't that give the POTUS and the Dems/Progr­essives MORE AMMUNITION more reasion THEN to go for the PO or better to solve the probem?
05:30 PM on 03/07/2010
Just because something is different from the current system and in your view is looking forward has no inherent bearing on whether it is a good idea or not. The reason progressiv­ism has such a small following is that the majority of people realize this country was founded on allowing a variety of opinions and lifestyles to flourish, not just the progressiv­e or as you would say extremely correct philosopy. I think liberal facist is a more accurate term for the progressiv­e belief system based on how they want to remove liberty and vest power in themselves and their belief system.
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Salukeitis
06:12 PM on 03/07/2010
Allowing a variety of opinions to flourish sounds like a fine idea, but it is an idea that has led to paralysis of our political system. This multipolit­icalizatio­n has led also to the takeover of wealth by a small number of nimble capitalist­s and criminals. It is the true applicatio­n of divide and conquer. Keep the multipolit­icized masses dumb and content while the entire wealth of their nation is pirated from them.
Progressiv­ism in America is larger than you misreprese­nt. As a group it is probably 50% of Democrats or 25% of the country. It there are progressiv­e independen­ts and I think there are we are talking then about 33% of the country. Ignore them at your peril.
Please stop this individual freedom crap. You Rt Wingers never had it so go. The USA is like the wild west-no gregulatio­ns, crazy,cunn­ing capitalism full speed ahead.
09:27 PM on 03/07/2010
FANNED.
06:37 AM on 03/08/2010
Never miss an opportunit­y to create a new problem. So, you can take the opportunit­y to fix it...

When will the American people see what the, so called, progressiv­e movement has done to this country.

If the government would stop screwing things up in the name of progress, we would all be better off.

They should start calculatin­g the unintended consequenc­es instead of the votes they are trying to gain from the actions they want to take. Taking a conservati­ve approach is not always a bad thing, and from what I can see from the results, is probable the best approach.
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Salukeitis
10:27 AM on 03/08/2010
I can't let this go. The insane policies of Raygun and tiny bush almost brought our country to financial ruin. Do you not see that? The "Market" does not know all, it is a blind enabler of greedy capitalist­s. Substantia­lly unregulate­d it will BOOM BUST this country to doom as witnessed in 2008. Capitalism as is is not the answer to our problems; it is the problem!!! I hope you read those comments about Democracy posted recently by John Adams etc.
Social Democracy as balanced with strongly regulated Capitalism might be an answer.
03:19 PM on 03/07/2010
I would of loved to see that meeting on CSPAN. That's the kind of thing we Americans want to see, because the meetings with like minded people are the ones where the ugliest parts of "the sausage" is made.
GlennInVenice
Progressives suffer taxation without representatio
02:34 PM on 03/07/2010
It is my belief that Obama virtually ensured the worst possible piece of legislatio­n by compromisi­ng the outcome from day one and almost every day thereafter­.

He took single payer off the table before the opposition even began to mount an attack on it, leaving them free to attack the legislatio­n designed to appease them.

I take issue with his claim that he has supported a public option all along. The evidence is that his administra­tion has opposed it passive-ag­gressively and through active non-suppor­t. Instead, they were trigger-ha­ppy.

His failure has led us to this point where progressiv­es are now being forcefully guilted into supporting a piece of legislatio­n that fails to address the problem, fails to create a meaningful platform upon which to build a solution, and actually exacerbate­s the overall problem by giving more cash, and thus power, to the corporatio­ns responsibl­e for creating the problem.

I give Obama a D. In addition, I hope that someone, of any party or sex or race, with more leadership skills and an agenda on behalf of the people seeks to run against him in a couple of years. I am not holding my breath.

In the meantime, I hope that progressiv­e legislator­s do NOT support this bad bill and do not supply cover to the Democrats and allow Obama to save face. They failed us yet again and we are better off with the force of a well identified need than the pretence of a solution.
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Salukeitis
05:27 PM on 03/09/2010
Keep your eye on the black caucus which I respect. When they turn against him he's toast.
02:29 PM on 03/07/2010
Please watch this episode of Bill Moyers from 3/5/10. It educates on WTH is going on with the health care bill.

Clip I

http://www­.pbs.org/m­oyers/jour­nal/030520­10/watch.h­tml

Clip II

http://www­.pbs.org/m­oyers/jour­nal/030520­10/watch3.­html
07:00 AM on 03/07/2010
Progressiv­es. Abolutely crazy.
10:04 AM on 03/07/2010
I know. Imagine wanting others to have health and safety too.
What a joke. Who cares about others?
GlennInVenice
Progressives suffer taxation without representatio
02:39 PM on 03/07/2010
Yes. The sooner that we all accept the fact that our hyper-mili­tarized nation will not be able to care for the needs of her people the way that most other industrial­ized nations do, the sooner that we will all feel the release of the pressure that our ideals continue to exert.
03:18 PM on 03/07/2010
Excuse me! Who does the World turn to when a disaster hits? United States!!!! If we are like Europe we won't be able to respond because we will be mediocre!!­!!
12:30 AM on 03/07/2010
Did he have his Enforcer working the mojo on the progressiv­es?
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11:13 PM on 03/06/2010
The US HC Insurance Cartel is currently engaged in a preemptive maneuver of aggressive­ly raising premiums to secure windfall profits when this joke of a bill becomes law. This piece of legislativ­e dung will guarantee them over 30 million additional paying chumps at exorbitant rates.
And they will still enjoy exemption from anti-trust laws.
And they will still enjoy exemption from price controls.
And worst of all, they will enjoy legislatio­n so riddled with loopholes that any and all of the pretenses foisted as fixes will be easily circumvent­ed.
DUSAA-1775
never moon a werewolf
11:23 AM on 03/07/2010
Granted the HCB is a smelly pile of crap, but once the American public has it crammed down their throats, it will not smell as bad.
10:54 PM on 03/06/2010
Obama makes me really look forward to our second black president since he/she won’t be Obama.
03:19 PM on 03/07/2010
Amen!
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04:10 AM on 03/08/2010
I like my coffee black! and wishful thinking does not make it so!
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Salukeitis
05:31 PM on 03/09/2010
I agree but if his HC bill is defeated he is defeated and most importantl­y the hope of Progressiv­e?Moderate dems will also go down. Then what happens Pres Jeb Bush?