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China, India Join Copenhagen Accord, Last Major Emitters To Sign On

ARTHUR MAX   03/ 9/10 02:24 PM ET   AP

China Copenhagen Accord

AMSTERDAM — China joined India on Tuesday in giving qualified approval to the Copenhagen climate accord calling for voluntary limits on greenhouse gas emissions.

The official messages to the U.N. climate change secretariat did little to ease the pessimism that a legal international agreement on global warming can be concluded this year.

A one-sentence note from China's top climate change negotiator, Su Wei, authorized the addition of China to the list attached to the nonbinding accord brokered by President Barack Obama in the final hours of the December climate change summit in the Danish capital.

India sent a note on Monday that it "stands by the contents of the accord."

More than 100 countries had earlier replied to a query by Denmark whether they wanted to be "associated" with the accord.

The delayed response by the world's two fastest growing polluters had raised concerns that without their concurrence the accord could fall apart.

Now, their avoidance of the word "associated" was being seen as deliberate and possibly a step to distance themselves from full endorsement.

The responses to the Danish question highlight the gulf that remains after the disappointing conference in Copenhagen. The summit fell well short of its original ambition of a legally binding treaty controlling the world's emissions of carbon dioxide and other gases blamed for global warming.

The accord, concluded in a flurry of last-minute diplomacy, set a goal of limiting the increase in the Earth's average temperature to 2 degrees Celsius (3.8 Fahrenheit) from preindustrial levels. But it did not say how that can be achieved or how countries should share the burden of cutting carbon emissions.

It also said developing countries should be given $30 billion over the next three years to help them cope with changes already occurring in rainfall patterns and other effects of climate change. So far, no proposals are on the table for raising or distributing those funds.

The European Union's climate commissioner, Connie Hedegaard, told the EU parliament in Brussels on Tuesday it would be risky to expect a legally binding deal to emerge from the next climate summit in Cancun, Mexico.

Hedegaard told the European Parliament that "remaining differences between parties may delay agreement on this until next year."

Among those differences are whether the U.N. negotiations among 194 countries, bogged down in cumbersome committees producing highly contentious draft texts, should be the primary avenue for reaching a deal.

The United States has said the Copenhagen Accord should be taken as the basis for negotiations leading up to a full legal agreement in Mexico.

In its note this week, India strongly disagreed. "The Accord is not a new track of negotiations or a template for outcomes," said India's environment secretary Rajani Ranjan Rashmi.

In a letter dated in January, Chinese Premier Wen Jiaboa also said "it is neither viable nor acceptable to start a new negotiating process" outside the framework of previous U.N. treaties.

Wen's letter, however, praised the Copenhagen Accord in warmer tones than the official note received Tuesday. He said China "highly commends and supports" the December deal.

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04:09 PM on 03/10/2010
Keep in mind that India is one of the lowest per-capita emissions (about 25% of China's per-capita!) countries in the world, as the latest available 2008 data makes clear:
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Table: Per Capita Carbon Dioxide Emissions from the Consumption of Energy (Metric Tons of Carbon Dioxide per Person)

World 4.54023
Asia & Oceania 3.26694
North America 15.31721

China 4.91228

United States 19.18313

Europe 7.80527
Eurasia 9.34817
Russia 12.29109
Middle East 8.43437

India 1.31065

Central & South America 2.66434
Japan 9.53888
Africa 1.14518
Germany 10.06143
Canada 17.26751
United Kingdom 9.38246
Korea, South 11.20506
Iran 7.75893
Saudi Arabia 16.55786
Italy 7.81866
South Africa 9.24758
Mexico 4.04314
Australia 20.82329
Indonesia 1.82782
Brazil 2.18071
France 6.47937
Spain 8.85966
Ukraine 7.60652
Taiwan 13.29679
Poland 7.75776
Turkey 3.58242
Netherlands 15.86098
Thailand 3.87669
United Arab Emirates 43.10486

Source: EIA, Dept. of Energy
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/cfapps/ipdbproject/iedindex3.cfm?tid=90&pid=45&aid=8&cid=&syid=1980&eyid=2008&unit=MMTCD
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quillsinister
09:23 PM on 03/09/2010
It's a start.
08:16 AM on 03/10/2010
What start? It is actually a major screw up, away from the Kyoto Accord! This Cape Accord is nothing but a step back. Instead of moving forward witht Kyoto Accord which has the context of "developed countries take historical responsibilties while others must participate", it is moving to a lame accord of "hey, we should have an accord ... let's count the raising hands that we should have an accord" kind of accord.

Denmark (most likely under instruction from US) has sabatashed the Cape Accord by circulating another draft outside of the UN charter and fundamentally screwed up the process. It is in complete chaos and paralyzed the whole gather (on purpose, as many suspect).

It was so bad that China, India, Brazile and South Africa had to meet together to push forth on the fundamentals of Kyoto Accord. Yet President Obama, who conveniently showed up on the last day of the Cape Talks, showed up in the meeting and took control of it. After that, the result is a "non-binding-agreement-that-we-should-have-an-accord" which is practically a BS statement.

This article and its headline is suggesting that China and India were the caused of the failure of the Cape Talk. Get the facts straight!
08:53 PM on 03/09/2010
Western countries have plundered the environment for 150 years. Is that too much to ask them to take historical responsibilties? Why is it suddenly India and China taking the blame?

Cape Talk was on course to revive and reconfirm the Kyoto Accord with the fundamental context of "western countries take historical responsiblities and all nations must participate" yet it suddenly went all wrong with Denmark circulating another draft undermining this fundamental understanding.

Get real.
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hypnotoad72
Real democracy = living wages.
08:33 PM on 03/09/2010
"Now, their avoidance of the word "associated" was being seen as deliberate and possibly a step to distance themselves from full endorsement."

No shock there.
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davidgoldmandg
08:32 PM on 03/09/2010
At long freaking last!

Hope they live up to it.
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hypnotoad72
Real democracy = living wages.
08:34 PM on 03/09/2010
I doubt it.

Two reasons:

(a) politics
(b) they would prefer to blame the US for their problems

Well, at least (a) and while Reagan and Bush did preside over this country during times where we were guilty of something dumb (which will include 'offshoring' one day if we all don't take this seriously, as a world community.)
07:06 PM on 03/09/2010
Stop wasting peoples time with this horse manure .... it takes 2/3 vote in the Senate to ratify a treaty and that is NEVER going to happen in this matter.
07:04 PM on 03/09/2010
Talk about a silly spin ... two countries give a "qualified" agreement to voluntary curbs ... this is just plain funny.
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
04:38 PM on 03/09/2010
Now, if only we could get the world's stupid people to understand global warming.
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04:55 PM on 03/09/2010
LMPE,we are hoping one day you guys figure this out but i wouldn`t call you guys stupid or anything.That is not nice you know that don`t you.
07:06 PM on 03/09/2010
Yes, they would then recognize the fraud being perpetrated by the Alarmists.
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chiodo08
...why do republicans HATE America?...
03:52 PM on 03/09/2010
China be an example for something positive...for a "change"...
fuzzychickens
The higher the power, the bigger the lies
02:09 PM on 03/09/2010
Everyone knows global warming is a scam - I can prove it by slecting specific data, fitting it to what I want to believe, and then ignoring all evidence that doesn't fit my beliefs.

I used this same tactic to disprove evolution too, it works great and I get to hold tight to unrealistic fantasies at the same time.

Delusion in science and embracing blind faith is bliss, you all should try it.
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02:46 PM on 03/09/2010
Well said.

Gee, over 100 countries agree and now China and India. The Chinese government is full of engineering and scientific types too.

I’m sooo confused.... why are all these countries along with their scientific advisors agreeing to support Al Gore’s great global warming HOAX?? And another thing....all the “green†cars and new green technologies world wide??? What a great conspiracy this must all be!

Of course they really won’t put any hard earned resources toward this HOAX....they will just “ALL†agree to make it look like they are serious. I mean what possible reason is there for spending huge resources toward Al Gore’s silly HOAX just so he can get rich off it.
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04:57 PM on 03/09/2010
Fuzzy,you mean like the selected data your experts used to prove this global warming thing is happening.Yeah,i see how that works!!
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07:01 PM on 03/09/2010
Huh, you don’t know how anything works. Admit it you haven’t even read the IPCC report...have you? Again, the report was issued in 4 parts. The research for man causing the majority of CO2 was “not†under any question whatsoever....got it?

Read the report in detail then get back to us with specific research you disagree with and why...also in detail...include your supporting evidence for your claims. Otherwise, stop commenting on subjects you know nothing about. You’re just making an a*s of yourself.
02:05 PM on 03/09/2010
Voluntary limits is uh, nothing. Thanks so much Obama. You are real slick politician!

Will you agree to nothing? Yes! Then we have an agreement.
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Nosybear
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01:02 PM on 03/09/2010
Meanwhile, their third-world trading partner, the United States, continues to be dominated by Big-Tobacco-like debate over whether warming is occurring and by spineless Democrats afraid to use their political majority to implement any kind of control. Not to mention its increasing debt and decreasing ability to act on anything more complex than meaningless, symbolic resolutions.
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05:06 PM on 03/09/2010
Third world trading partner?? Tell me nosy you do realize that the US is the most powerful and has the most wealth of any country in history don`t you ?
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08:09 PM on 03/09/2010
I can't speak for Nosybear, but generally when people refer to the US as third-world it's to emphasize the unacceptable amount of poverty despite America's overall wealth.
little old lady
United citizens vs Citizens United
11:26 PM on 03/09/2010
daultman, are you looking in the rear view mirror? Wake up. The US is about at the end of being the most powerful and probably does not have the most wealth anymore.
12:50 PM on 03/09/2010
Well, OTHER countries are doing Climate Change & believe in it. China & India!

Americans will fall behind in education, and new green job economy because we can't get our heads out of our butts!!

Other countries are signing treaties & getting things done. Even if it's just a start. We Americans would rather listen to "Professor Glenn Beck" on how to run the country when China is ALREADY ahead of America in building solar panels!!!

I wish we all would stop trying to blame Pres. Obama and start supporting the vision & moving forward with Change! Because Pres. Obama can't do all the work himself, he needs US to get things done!

Stop complaining & move your butts!
07:10 PM on 03/09/2010
Other countries are not doing it. That is the hype. In the rest of the world, the frauds being exposed concerning AGW are big news. MSM in the US is purposefully igoring it thinking it will go away.
10:02 PM on 03/09/2010
Where is this "vision" that Obama supposedly has? All I hear is empty rhetoric. Green jobs, green jobs, green jobs. Solar and wind power wouldn't support a third world countries' energy needs, much less the United States. That's why there is little being done about it. Better to use it as a political whip than expose their limitations by actually doing something with them. Obama could launch a $500 Billion 10 year program for green energy if he wanted to. If it is so feasible and important, then why hasn't he?