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Priests With Love Lives Speak Out Against Celibacy

Priests Against Celibacy

ANGELA CHARLTON and VICTOR L. SIMPSON   03/17/10 06:03 PM ET   AP

PARIS — Leon Laclau shared his life, and often, his bed, with Marga over 20 years – all while serving as a Catholic priest in a town in the French Pyrenees.

His clerical leadership eventually expelled him, prompting protests from his flock and inspiring other priests and their partners around France to speak out about long-hidden love lives, and to press the Church to abandon its insistence on celibacy.

They say the chastity rule has fed the persistent, profound decline in the numbers of European and American priests. More influential voices are joining them as scandals involving sexual abuse and pedophilia spread across parishes around Europe.

The Vatican rejects any link between celibacy and sex abuse and shows no sign it intends to loosen its rules. Instead, church leaders are likely to continue a don't ask-don't tell policy of ignoring priestly relationships, as long as they cause no harm.

"Love, my love for Marga, never held me back from having faith. On the contrary, it encouraged me," Laclau told The Associated Press by telephone from his home in Asson, in the mountains near the pilgrimage site at Lourdes. "I lived my love life with Marga, and I kept my passion for the church."

The two met when Laclau led the funeral service for Marga's first husband in 1985. When their relationship blossomed, he said, "at first, we tried to hide it."

Slowly their friends learned, and Laclau's church colleagues, who met them "with a silence, not of disapproval, but of non-interference," he said.

The church's quiet tolerance melted when Marga came to live with Leon in 2001. Laclau's superior, Father Benat Oyhenart, asked him to "purify the relationship" – in essence to choose between his vocation and his love.

Laclau chose Marga. In 2007, he was forced out of the priesthood.

Oyhenart sent a statement to the congregation explaining what he had done. "What about the young groom who says, 'How can I commit to the sacrament of marriage, for the rest of my life, before a priest who himself does not respect the commitment he made for the rest of his life?'"

Oyhenart received angry, fearful letters from churchgoers. One he cited read: "If you replace him, I will keep my children at home, out of fear that his replacement is a pedophile."

Such fears have mounted as revelations about sexual abuse of children have convulsed Catholic leadership from the United States to Ireland to Australia and in recent weeks, Germany, the Netherlands, Austria and Switzerland.

Now, one of the pope's closest advisers, Austrian Cardinal Christophy Schoenborn, has called for an honest examination of issues like celibacy and education for priests to root out the origins of sex abuse.

His office quickly stressed that Schoenborn wasn't calling celibacy into question, just as Pope Benedict XVI was reaffirming its importance as an "expression of the gift of oneself to God and others."

Theologians and psychologists warn against equating celibacy with pedophilia, at least directly.

But Schoenborn and others have been receptive to arguments that a celibate priesthood is increasingly problematic for the church, primarily because it limits potential candidates for ordination.

Another problem: People who are pedophiles to begin with are drawn to the church because it is an easy way to find victims and be in a position of authority where few question their actions, priest and family counselor Stephane Joulain noted in an essay in Sunday's Le Monde. He also said priests who have never had sexual experiences are often drawn to adolescents because their own sexual growth halted at adolescence.

Laclau, after his experience, says that "an end to celibacy is not the only answer" to the church's woes. He blames "young, reactionary priests ... who show a growing traditionalism" for alienating ordinary believers who might otherwise have been drawn to the priesthood.

While the worldwide number of priests is slowly rising to 408,000 – with major growth in Africa and Asia – the number in Europe is continuing to decline, according to Vatican statistics.

The decline is particularly jarring in the United States, where they have dropped from 58,909 in 1975 to 40,666 in 2009, according to the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate, Georgetown University.

France is down to about 24,000 priests nationwide from 42,000 in 1975, and numbers of churchgoers have plummeted. A study by Lyon's auxiliary bishop found that more than half of the 161 priests who left their jobs between 1996 and 2005 did so to join romantic unions with women or other men, according to Catholic newspaper La Croix.

"The church is losing a lot of ground, it's turning in on itself," Laclau said. Ending celibacy, while not the only solution, could help make the church "more humane," he said.

Two days after leaving the church, he received a letter from a former parishioner describing being sexually abused as a child by another priest, a kind of cry for help.

"It repulsed me. It stains religious life, this kind of perversion," he said.

Evidence over the past decade has shown church leadership has covered up, ignored or simply underestimated the problem of pedophilia.

Before becoming pope, then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger told Catholic News Service in December 2002, that "less than 1 percent of priests are guilty of acts of this type." The most extensive study of the abuse crisis in the American church, commissioned by the U.S. bishops in 2004, found that about 4 percent of all American clerics who served during the time studied were accused of abuse.

The percentage in society at large is unknown because studies are inconclusive.

The report stressed that neither celibacy nor homosexuality causes abuse, but argued that an understanding of the problem of clerical sex abuse isn't possible without reference to both, since the vast majority of U.S. abuse cases were of a homosexual nature.

In Italy, papal biographer Marco Politi, in his book "La Confessione" – "The Confession" – presents the testimony of a priest struggling to balance his homosexuality with his commitment to a church that considers homosexual acts a sin.

The priest, who is never identified, discloses that a network of homosexual priests is active in the Italian church. It is described as an informal "self-help group" that lives in the "catacombs" of the church – the underground.

For Laclau, the solution is more sexual honesty among the clergy.

"I thought I was one of the very few (priests) to have a love life. I slowly discovered how numerous we are," he said.

Groups around Europe have sprung up to bring together people like him, from the Belgium-based Married Priests association to a group called Plein Jour, or Light of Day, which includes some 150 Frenchwomen who live with priests.

Many have borne the priests' children. Many maintain a low public profile, but seek solace in sharing their stories with other women who have lived the same "suffering, silence, sacrifice," said the group's director, Dominique Venturini.

Venturini, now 85, spent 45 years romantically and sexually involved with a priest based in Provence. "Only when he retired could he come and live with me. But unfortunately, by then, it was too late to have children, a dream I always had."

She speaks bluntly against celibacy. "When you bury human nature, it figures out how to express itself in another, perverted way."

Under church law, the pope can change the celibacy requirement by fiat, although some in the church have suggested that various reforms be discussed in a wider forum such as a new Vatican council.

However, the Rev. Thomas Reese, an American expert on the Vatican, said he doubts there would be a majority vote at such a forum to lift celibacy. "In addition, too many dioceses in the southern hemisphere have resolved the issue by simply ignoring ongoing relationships between priests and women," in said in an email exchange with The Associated Press.

The Catholic church's Eastern rite, which follows Orthodox Christian traditions but is loyal to the pope, allows married priests in contrast to the Roman church.

The Rev. Igor Yatsiv, spokesman for Ukraine's Greek Catholic church, said he knew of no cases of clergy sex abuse.

"I am not sure that's just because of no mandatory celibacy here. I'm married myself and have three children, but I don't think it's this that keeps me from sin. I just don't know another way" of living, he said.

Leon and Marga Laclau, after he left the church and after more than 20 years together, finally married. He continues to attend Mass, "not regularly, but I go. It is always a joy to participate."

"I still have faith," he says. "But you must maintain it. It's a bit like love."

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Simpson reported from Rome. Associated Press writer Fanny Dassie in Paris contributed to this report.

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TheBodySacred
divine diva
06:07 AM on 03/23/2010
Is this supposed to be a joke? I could not believe this when I read it. "Pope Forgives Molested Children" Read it here.http://www.theonion.com/articles/pope-forgives-molested-children,101/

Please somene tell me this is a joke.
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oregon bird
01:51 PM on 03/22/2010
He could have moved over to the Eastern Rites church. But he wanted to have his cake and eat it too.

"Laclau's church colleagues, who met them "with a silence, not of disapproval, but of non-interference," he said."

Which would describe EXACTLY the behavior that allowed pedophilia to flourish, wouldn't it? So, all in all, he took advantage of the same corrupt system that the pedos did. I'm sure that allowing marriage would improve the sort of MEN that inhabit the catholic church, but who cares? Will it mean that misogynistic institution permits women to take on equal roles? Pfft.
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TheBodySacred
divine diva
07:45 AM on 03/20/2010
It is God's will for us to be partnered with a mate, and to enjoy sex. God was the one who created our bodies and gave us the desire for sex. How foolish for us now to say that sex is an unholy act that should be repressed or avoided! The doctrine of celibacy falls in line with one of those 'devilish doctrines' that the scriptures says we are to avoid.

1 Timothy 4:1-3, NASB

1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and DOCTRINES OF DEMONS,
2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron,
3men who FORBID MARRIAGE and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.
11:22 AM on 03/22/2010
No one is forbidding marriage to anyone in the Church. You are free to get in or get out as you wish.

I know many ex-priests that requested to leave the priesthood, got it and they even later married in the Church. All made under the rules of the Church.
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TheBodySacred
divine diva
07:52 PM on 03/22/2010
My point exactly! Cannot remain a priest and be married. Marriage forbidden for priests.
08:08 PM on 03/19/2010
"While the worldwide number of priests is slowly rising to 408,000 – with major growth in Africa and Asia – the number in Europe is continuing to decline, according to Vatican statistics."

Hmmm . I've noticed cigarette companies and religion both seem to concentrate their efforts to attract new business toward the less educated countries.
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oregon bird
01:58 PM on 03/22/2010
In the areas that the xian churches are increasing, there is also an increase in the new congregations of a fear of witchcraft. The children and women are being abused, dispossessed from their homes, and _murdered. Thanks, RC!
07:45 PM on 03/19/2010
Jesus says nothing about being celibate, and he had a prostitute in his group.

Celibacy is unnatural, and leads to perversion.
11:06 AM on 03/22/2010
Ex-prostitute. Makes a HUGE difference.
11:36 AM on 03/22/2010
LOL!
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oregon bird
01:50 PM on 03/22/2010
The Jewish women during that period had greater freedom than most women in the civilized world. This led to the ones who exercised that social freedom being tagged as prostitutes. And naturally, the church encouraged that POV.

Sorry, MM was not a wh*re. She was one of the women who -- having a family that didn't follow the most repressive form of judaism -- was able to travel and associate with men.
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TheBodySacred
divine diva
07:53 PM on 03/22/2010
The church labeled her a prostitute because the church was uncomfortable with the fact that she had a close, personal relationship with Jesus.
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
06:52 PM on 03/19/2010
Don't look to married eastern orthodox clergy as a model of priestly good behavior. Greece has had years of court cases in the inlands against married priests who were charged with bedding down young men.

Pederasty there is as common as playing music from "Zorba the Greek" in tavernas.
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Hysterian68
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06:33 PM on 03/19/2010
You can always spot them, they're into wearing a whole lot of lace. Lace everywhere!!
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01:54 AM on 03/19/2010
I'm waiting for an answer as to how Jesus could be the only unmarried rabbi in history ? Or is the gospel writer mistaken ? Or-horror-maybe there was a marriage somewhere. Oh dear, this celibacy thing is most confusing.
11:45 AM on 03/19/2010
Or Maybe Jesus was not an ordinary rabbi but someone much bigger and special?
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Hysterian68
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05:45 PM on 03/19/2010
If Jesus was indeed a member of the Essenes, as some contend, an unmarried rabbi wouldn't have been out of the ordinary at all.
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06:45 PM on 03/19/2010
ok thanx 4 the info Hysterian
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Trittydi
Special on pap smears at Walgreen's this week ....
12:51 AM on 03/19/2010
Celibacy is contrary to nature.
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
05:47 PM on 03/19/2010
Not having sex is contrary to nature, but celibacy is perfectly normal and is only considered abnormal by today's standards. Until the end of the 19th century bachelorhood was an accepted convention with or without sex.
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TheBodySacred
divine diva
09:16 PM on 03/19/2010
Nothing normal about celibacy. Only people with low sex drive/libido can be celibate.
11:23 AM on 03/22/2010
Jesus was so right: All men cannot receive this saying.
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TheBodySacred
divine diva
07:55 PM on 03/22/2010
Only men with low libido can receive this saying. Men with normal libido cannot receive this saying.
07:06 AM on 04/12/2010
Jesus said that about his divinity not about celibacy.
07:53 PM on 03/18/2010
The thing that amazes me about this issue, the church kicks out the priest who loves a woman, but they just transfer a priest who molests children. According to that thinking it must be wrong to love a woman but it's O.K. to be a pedophile?????????????
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02:15 AM on 03/19/2010
Totally agree. Such hypocrisy stinks like a kettle of rotten fish. So many lives shattered in both directions...unbelievable.
06:17 PM on 03/18/2010
The Catholic Church is so far behind the rest of civilization. Sex is perfectly natural, wholesome and beneficial.
The true problems that need to be addressed lie outside this country. Try living in the third world for a single day.
This video shows what we should really be focusing on:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5P5Npb6NmM
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Hysterian68
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05:52 PM on 03/19/2010
Why do you think the pope is concentrating his efforts on Africa, the Middle East, and Asia? Where there are many more fish (converts) to fry. Europe and the Americas are finished.

Pope Benney may be the ONLY realist who recognizes the limits and when a "civilization". has ended.
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03:24 PM on 03/20/2010
Sorry to burst your bubble but the Catholic Church is also growing in the US. I guess that makes America a backward uneducated country.
05:30 PM on 03/18/2010
When you apply for a job, you get to know the place rules and accept them.

If im working in a bank, i will have to use a tie. If i hate ties and like t-shirts and short pants, then i need to look for another job... and not try to force the employer to change his rules.

If you don't like celibacy, thats good, it's your choice, nobody accuses you. But being a priest then is not for you. But you can't have it both ways.
09:42 PM on 03/18/2010
Obviously, a number of Roman Catholic priests are having it both ways -- and in a very, very, very bad way, detrimental to other human beings -- JoseFrancisco. And the Vatican has been shielding them and protecting them from legal prosecution.
10:19 AM on 03/19/2010
I was talking about celibacy, don't mix the subjects.
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Hysterian68
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06:04 PM on 03/19/2010
The hypocrisy and the corruption of the career priesthood (those from minor seminar to ordination) is leading to it's downfall in the western world--where all the power and the money is. In time, this pope or his successor will realize it, but they may do it when it is already too late.
If Anglican priests who convert to the Church are permitted to retain their wives under the new plan THIS POPE approved recently and eastern rite catholic priests are married and continue to marry, simple common sense should tell Pope Ratzinger and the bishops that the perverse and unfair system of demanding cradle Catholics of the Roman rite to stay celibate falls on its' face in due course.

Only the right-wing, neo fascist perverts who are drawn to the neoultramontanist, triumphalistic, Ratzingerian traditionalism will be drawn to the priesthood now, or elderly widowers who have nothing else to do.

Pope Ratzinger has to do something about the Church in Europe and America and soon, or he faces a flood of law suits as no institution has seen since the Nuremburg War Trials in 1946. He can't afford to simply pray, call for understanding and patience, and then in the grand old Vatican manner wish the consequences away.

We may be seeing the new Reformation where the s*it kicked down the road becomes the equivalent of Pope Leo X calling it a "monkish squabble" following Luther nailing his 95 these to the castle church door at Wittemberg.
05:23 PM on 03/18/2010
religion in general is F'd up. All these priests acting like they're better than everyone else because...they don't have sex? While they tell everyone else to have sex like rabbits and breed non-stop, and force every piece of tissue to be born, they act like that very act is sinful and disgusting. The priests who have a love life should leave the church. It's like being a gay priest - why be part of an organization that thinks you're sinning?
05:11 PM on 03/18/2010
Celibacy of those in the priesthood is a man made doctrine. 1 Timothy 3:2 says, "A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant..."
05:27 PM on 03/18/2010
Paul recommends celibacy, and the Church decided to follow his advice:

1Cor 7, 32-38
I should like you to be free of anxieties. An unmarried man is anxious about the things of the Lord, how he may please the Lord.
But a married man is anxious about the things of the world, how he may please his wife,
and he is divided. An unmarried woman or a virgin is anxious about the things of the Lord, so that she may be holy in both body and spirit. A married woman, on the other hand, is anxious about the things of the world, how she may please her husband.
I am telling you this for your own benefit, not to impose a restraint upon you, but for the sake of propriety and adherence to the Lord without distraction.
If anyone thinks he is behaving improperly toward his virgin, and if a critical moment has come and so it has to be, let him do as he wishes. He is committing no sin; let them get married.
The one who stands firm in his resolve, however, who is not under compulsion but has power over his own will, and has made up his mind to keep his virgin, will be doing well.
So then, the one who marries his virgin does well; the one who does not marry her will do better.
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grailknight
is happily godless
07:30 PM on 03/18/2010
Paul was also a mysoginist.
09:38 PM on 03/18/2010
Now, now, JoseFrancisco... Don't quote one part of Paul and leave out the rest:

1 Corinthians 9:5: "Have we not every right to be accompanied by a Christian wife, like the other apostles, like the brothers of the Lord and like Cephas (Peter)?"

1 Timothy 3:2-5: "A bishop must have an impeccable character, be the husband of one wife... a man who manages his own household well and brings his children up to obey him and be well-behaved -- for how can any man who does not understand how to manage his own household take care of the Church of God?"

Titus 1:7: "A presbyter must be a man of irreproachable character, husband of one wife, and his children must be believers and not liable to be charged with disorderly conduct or insubordination."

1 Timothy: 3:12: "Deacons must be husbands of one wife and must be people who manage their children and households well."

For all three orders of clergy, Paul set monogamous marriage as a qualification for ordination and family life as a sign of how well they might manage church life.

About celibacy, he wrote: "I wish everyone were single, just as I am; but God gives to some the gift of marriage, and to others the gift of singleness." (1 Corinthians 7:7)

And in recommending celibacy, Paul made it clear: "These instructions are my own, not the Lord's." (1 Corinthians 7:12)
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Dunkleberger Karl
Historian,Humanitarian,Hedonist.
01:50 PM on 03/18/2010
Men with wives are honor bound to report atacks against children......Men who have nooutlet will find one! But I believe the church Knows this and allowes preists in south america and some parts of africa to marrie .This was mentioned at JPII's funeral that one of the bishops has a wife.. The eastern othidox figured this out years ago! but I dont know if its true but the preist only has 56 days to marri or hes single fo life?
09:46 PM on 03/18/2010
The Orthodox Church ordains married men. A man has to decide if he's going to marry or remain celibate before he's ordained deacon or presbyter (priest). Usually, married clergy are assigned to parishes and celibate clergy are assigned to monasteries. Today, bishops are drawn from celibate clergy, because their having to travel so much is not conducive to family life, but the Church has a history of married bishops (when bishops traveled less, as their dioceses were smaller) and could just as easily have them again.
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TheBodySacred
divine diva
11:25 PM on 03/18/2010
Marriage does not stop a priest from travelling. In the Bible, the apostles travelled around with their wives/fgirlfriends.

"Don’t we have the right to bring a Christian wife with us as the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers do, and as Peter does?" (1 Corinthians 9:5, NLT).

"Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?" (1 Corinthians 9:5, KJV)
09:52 AM on 03/19/2010
Interesting, that makes sense. Many enter the monastery after they've lead their worldly lives.