Fareed Zakaria: Netanyahu Is Undermining Israel's Security

Newsweek:

The Israeli Prime Minister says his nation's security is his top priority. Too bad he's undermining it.

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[Fein]

11:20 AM on 03/23/2010

Screw Israel, he's undermining the security of the U.S.

[Oleg1]

02:55 PM on 03/22/2010

On the difference between Abbas and Hamas.

Monty Python said it best in " Life of Brain.".

Brian: Excuse me. Are you the Palestinian People's Front?
Reg: F off!!!! We're the People's Front of Palestine.

[Zonie]

05:22 PM on 03/22/2010

Palestine or Jordon?
Palestine or Syria?
What is the difference?

Does it matter?

There were still people there/

[hanoum]

04:29 AM on 03/25/2010

Judean People's Front

and

People's Front of Judea

It's blasphemy to misquote Life of Brian

[MVeeh]

10:40 PM on 03/21/2010

To address the problems in Israel we need to address the racist notion of land appropriation by the settlers

[hibeam]

09:51 PM on 03/21/2010

When Israel’s neighbors advance to the point that they can support true Democratic forms of government then progress will be possible. Still too many Syrian type governments in the mix for any real progress.

[Aerows]

09:35 PM on 03/21/2010

Queue talking points:

Israel is always right.
When you disagree with Israel's decisions, or specifically the Israeli government, you are an anti-Semite.
If it is clear that you are not an anti-semite by way of being a Jew, but you criticize Israel, then you are a shame to Israel, yourself and your family.
If none of the above works, you must claim that the real reason for the criticism is because the poster thinks Israel should not exist.

Did I leave anything out?

Please can we have an honest discussion without all of the above talking points being used as though they were a flow chart?

[juicyju]

07:09 PM on 03/22/2010

Ironically, it is only people such as you using them.

[Aerows]

07:40 PM on 03/22/2010

It sounds trendy to turn information into a talking point by accusing the other side of the same tactics, but you'll have to hit me with another blunt instrument besides that, sweetheart.

[hibeam]

09:14 PM on 03/21/2010

Israel does not need the United States. Israel has already assumed that Obama will bankrupt the US. They have made other plans already.

[Zonie]

05:24 PM on 03/22/2010

Yer gonna have a heck of a time converting the Chinese......hahaha

[Aerows]

08:12 PM on 03/22/2010

They don't fall for the same bs, since they have worse atrocities well documented among them. You can't guilt them. You also can't PR the Chinese people.

[Ric NYC]

05:11 PM on 03/21/2010

It's time to expose AIPAC.

[AbeBird]

06:34 PM on 03/21/2010

What do have to expose? AIPAC operates according to law under the light of the sun.
Did you mean dark CAIR?

[kkrimmer]

06:59 PM on 03/21/2010

The New Israel Lobby

The Israel lobby had succeeded in ruling almost any criticism of Israel out of bounds, especially in Congress. “The bottom line,” Mearsheimer and Walt wrote, “is that Aipac, a de facto agent for a foreign government, has a stranglehold on Congress, with the result that U.S. policy is not debated there, even though that policy has important consequences for the entire world.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/13/magazine/13JStreet-t.html?hpw

[Aerows]

08:10 PM on 03/21/2010

They exposed themselves by criticizing the President of the United States. I would have said the same thing if it had have been Bush, or any other person.

They are not interested in our country and its well-being beyond what it can supply to what they view as the mother state. That our own government has been co-opted with it, pains me no less.

I'm a US citizen first, last, before and the future. Our government needs no dual-citizens serving in high places - Abraham Lincoln said it best - "A house divided cannot stand". You cannot be loyal to two masters in any endeavor, war to peace.

[riverhouse]

05:01 PM on 03/21/2010

Now that he has won the health care battle, President Obama will over the court of his terms as president, practice some very tough love with Israel. And the American public will stand in unison and applaud.

[Aerows]

08:14 PM on 03/21/2010

The only people who think Isra.el should not be cut off from funds are Is.raelis. Americans, J*w, white, yellow and AA think the funds should be cut off.

[Aerows]

08:18 PM on 03/21/2010

Dear Lord, I meant something along the lines of "Red and Yellow Black and White, they are precious in his sight..."

I see know how badly I slighted our Asian, American Native and Asian population - I honestly meant it in the respect that it is a heterogeneous mix of people who with the funds cut off, because we have one unifying trait - we are *ALL* Americans and put America first.

[hibeam]

09:33 PM on 03/21/2010

Obama has no time to think about Israel. Obama’s next job it to convince the Chinas to loan him another boatload of money to pay for this gigantic new social program. We can only hope the Chinese are still in sucker mode.

[Kimpeach]

03:44 PM on 03/21/2010

Its time to declare AIPAC as a foreign lobby group (steps are being taken at this moment). Another thing, Obama can't back down or remain silent on this issue. This is what AIPAC wants. If Obama backs down, then AIPAC will continue to be powerful. I say Obama should not even meet with Netanyathu and definitely not give him any weapons (he plans to ask for some).

[norkas]

05:40 PM on 03/21/2010

Israel made peace with Egypt after many lives lost. Israel returned land from the war they won to Egypt and after many years peace was made and land returned.

Israel made peace with Jordan after many life's lost in a war and Israel returned the land they claimed after many years and a real peace extended to them by Jordan.

Israel had over 200 rockets launched at them by Hamas and others. I just wonder if 200 rockets would of been launched at the U.S.A , Russia, France , England. or any other country?

Here is the answer after launching 25 rockets what would of broken out and land would of been claimed big by the winner.

Because of weak leadership by Israel during this time they have NOTHING. Some here just hate Israel no matter what. They would prefer them being wiped off the map or are naive as hell because they have never grasped what is going on there.

There will be PEACE and America should stay the hell out of the way. Many in the middle east want peace with the Pal and i want it desperately.

I know many Israelis want peace and want to befriend the Palestine's and i am so sorry that many of you have hate for Israel that borders on anti semitism

[kkrimmer]

07:01 PM on 03/21/2010

I know many Israelis want peace and want to befriend the Palestine's and i am so sorry that many of you have hate for Israel that borders on anti semitism
----

ANY criticism is anti-semitism? (actually arabs and jews are both semites)

I would think that most Americans are not anti-Israel but more anti-Zionists.. let's make the difference clear... Zionists are right-wing conservative extremists and they have been in power for a long time... the Zionists do not want peace, otherwise they'd have it by now.

The last peace of any significance was 30 years ago with Jimmy Carter. In 30 years they couldn't work out peace?

What if the US occupied Mexico and Mexico resisted and the US killed those resisters calling them terrorists... Who has a better chance of deciding if there is peace, the US or Mexico?

The stronger power always has the peace making power, the Zionists just don't want peace and the sooner Americans understand that the sooner they will demand the pandering US govt do something.

[AbeBird]

06:54 PM on 03/21/2010

Why foreign lobby? all AIPAC members are US loyal citizens, including Christians. Obama offered the meeting to Netanyahu. I suggested to Netanyahu to express sorry and to announce that he has no time to meet Obama because his highly busy schedule to meet with large amount of Israel's supporters from all kind and corners of the American wonderful society.
If Netanyahu were a bully person he would have to little bit degrading and ignoring Obama and wait for 3 years for the American people decision to change their president with someone else..... If Obama to lose his functioning and the relations between him and Hilary will be ruined, there is a good chance that she will compete Obama in the pre-election's party race (it's a very rare phenomenon but very possible to occur) and will win.
Israel doesn't have to help Obama to achieve ONE foreign policy achievements on the blood of the Israelis and the Palestinians.

[MVeeh]

03:31 PM on 03/21/2010

The biggest problem is that of the two, Israel is the only one with excellent representation through American media and US lobbies and citizenship. The US strategic stance in the Mideast is undergoing a new degree of complexity and American public opinion is becoming more important in this regard. The media must be taken to task for repeatedly under representing or misrepresenting the Palestinians. One just needs to read the blogs to see the extreme right wing views that the pro Israel lobby is hammering onto the American public opinion.
The degree of repression of the Palestinians is a simple thing to expose yet is being continuously ignored by American media and that is the biggest hurdle right now.

[AbeBird]

07:04 PM on 03/21/2010

(1) There wasn't any (Arab) Palestinian people, but the Jewish people. There is no meaning for Palestine in Arabic and they don't have even the "P" consonant in their language. In the British mandate all civilians were called Palestinians (Jews, Greeks, Arab etc.) and the Arabs rejected that name because the lack of their historical memory to the land of Israel. The Arab states use their Arabs living in the land of Israel to be their forerunners against Israel way before 1948 war. The Arabs lives in the land of Israel (aka Palestine) were called - Syrian Southerners. If you want some political proof just look at UN resolutions 242 & 336 (1967 & 1973) - no mention of Palestinians. Palestinian Arab nation is a new and modern invention to precede the war of the Arabs against Israel.

[Zonie]

05:45 PM on 03/22/2010

It doesn't matter....there were people there and there is an ongoing campaign to displace and exterminate them. Homes bulldozed, land stolen, people killed. What the hell is the difference whether it was Syria Palestine (The Romans called it that) or Palestine?

[AbeBird]

07:05 PM on 03/21/2010

(2) Jordan is the now days Arabic part of Palestine, eastern Palestine. Almost 85% of its citizens are Palestinians and the others, as their king, is a Saudi Bedouin Hashemite tribe. If you make Jordan a democracy than the state turns back to be Palestinian Arab's as they seek now. In that move you'll achieve 2 goals: More democracy in the Arab world and a proper place for the now days Palestinians. Arab in Israel can keep their statehood there but will be Palestinian Jordan citizens and will vote for their Parliament in Amman. Jews will vote for their Israeli Parliament in Jerusalem. All civil and property rights will be kept and safe. Descendants of Arab refugees will come at their own will to live in Palestinian Jordan and those who will prefer to stay at their now-places will be allowed to.
I think that Palestine which is the land of Israel can hold within her just 2 national states, as I said and not more, such as widely suggested with the reclaiming of the "2 states for 2 peoples" solution. Don't ignore the fact that Jordan is already the De Facto Palestinian state in action. They don't need the Hashemite king to rule over them. They are grown up enough to run their own state and stick the the Israelis .

[MVeeh]

08:36 PM on 03/21/2010

You are saying that the people who are non Jews who lived or are living on land for generations within todays borders of Israel should be expelled to Jordan. I think that is what you said right?
What is amazing to me is that someone can honestly look at themselves in the mirror and say they are entiltled to someone elses land that way. It is still a mystery to me. I guess that is what's going on in Israel but slowly and until a good way to get rid of the Palestinians is devised, more of the same, right?

[jaanti]

03:09 PM on 03/21/2010

response to infidel2
Just what right did Britain have to 'give' away other people's land, it was not theirs, right?
In case there is a question, I am not Arab, nor from the middle east, just a citizen of the world,

[John Mainstream]

03:00 PM on 03/21/2010

The problem is the Iranian leadership, not Israel. President Obama has spent more than a year trying to convince the Iranian leadership to stop building atomic weapons, and to stop their state-sponsored terrorism against Israel, Iraq, and the Iranian people. Now that talking hasn't worked, it's time for President Obama to let the Iranian leadership know that their days are numbered.

[TAIsabel]

03:20 PM on 03/21/2010

Oh, good grief!

Let's put you on the frontline in the attack, shall we? Perhaps all of your offspring as well.

[Zonie]

06:08 PM on 03/21/2010

Where in the world do they get these points of view? Iran? Iran is no problem if left alone....

[WilliamL]

07:42 PM on 03/21/2010

Think wars on their boarders/region might motivate a country to take a defensive stance ?

[infidel2]

02:51 PM on 03/21/2010

"What the moderate Arab states ask for, again and again, publicly and privately, is that Israel make some progress—even if only for appearances' sake—on the peace process."

Again I disagree. The only progress anyone wants from Israel is more concessions. She has little left to give . The "palestinians" will only accept one concession from her & that is her demise, so what's the point?

[Aerows]

07:44 PM on 03/21/2010

Would you like to discuss this:

http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10233&sid=3aedbf787a6dc3022786f6a40dff1294

I have others to discuss, but I'd think it will take you a lifetime to talk your way out of that one.

Let's try this one, and then tell me it did not happen, since that is what I linked heavily pertained to, beyond the most tragic: USS Liberty.

The average American that finds out about that, and it p*sses us off. It p*sses us off to the point of wondering why we support a state that would fire on us to begin with. Am I holding onto a grudge by being angry about planes striking a US air craft carrier and killing 34 Americans and wounding 127 others?

If it was I vs. P, you would have turned the place to glass. You think about the double standards you have employed, because they are getting tired.

[Zonie]

08:10 PM on 03/21/2010

They bombed them for hours....and then our own govt gave it to them and made them swear to never speak of it...

Ask yourself WHY most Americans do not know about it.

[infidel2]

04:17 PM on 03/22/2010

Oh please, I couldn't laugh may way past the title , let alone actually read that drivel. You've got to be joking.

[infidel2]

02:48 PM on 03/21/2010

"But [Netanyahu] has succeeded in one short year in power to plunge Israel's essential relationship with the United States to unheard of depths."

I disagree, that was a foregone conclusion when Obama was elected.

[riverhouse]

05:02 PM on 03/21/2010

And that is a good thing.

[Zonie]

06:10 PM on 03/21/2010

Or a clever, cunning plan to avoid the wars for Israel bit when the US invades Iran...a slight of hand to make us think it couldn't possibly have an Israeli connection...

Not hard to fool folks....watch...you'll see...

[Aerows]

08:36 PM on 03/21/2010

Another day, another Is.rael.i Ha.sb.ara participant insults the democratically elected President of the US. Our President got he votes by a landslide. Netanyahu was appointed.

Would you care to refute any of the facts in that post, or are you going to follow the usual MO and resort to a character attack on me personally?

You know how it goes, start shouting anti-Semite, then you to attempt to lay a guilt trip by implying that I'm a bad person by pointing out things the *Israeli Government* has done and that I am therefore maligning the J*wish people and the J*wish religion ? Wait, wait, I know! You will claim that somehow out of that paragraph I said that I didn't think Israel doesn't deserve to exist!

Did I miss any talking points, or should I say the word intransigence for good measure?

[w00pecker5]

02:47 PM on 03/21/2010

It's time for facts... to evacuate occupied Palestine and let the refugees return to their 1948 homes and lands. The US shouId push for UN sanctions until all settIements East of the 1967 border are evacuated. It would immediately get the unanimous support of all the countries of the world in the UN.

[infidel2]

02:53 PM on 03/21/2010

I have an idea, why don't we, the upright citizens of the world insist that Israel receive the original territory promised to her by the British & the arabs can have the , just guessing but 80-90% of the middle east that 's left.

Let's all insist that the British be forced to keep their promise.

[longtimegone]

03:18 PM on 03/21/2010

The era of the British dividing the world to its liking is over; no one but you is seeking its return. That the land was never Britain's to give seems self-evident, again, to all but yourself.

[TAIsabel]

03:26 PM on 03/21/2010

The British did NO such thing. Even the Balfour Declaration, followed by the White Paper CLEARLY defines Palestine as a home for Jewish people amongst the Palestinian population. The Zionist interpretation is false. It was NEVER meant to be an all exclusive Jewish state.

When Britain established rules to impede the detrimental illegal immigration of European Jews intom Palestine, thus creating the conditions for tensions with teh Palestinians, the Stern Gang began to use terrorism against the British.

Partition and a two state solution was not part of the British objective. Research history instead of repeating Zionist propaganda.