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Could The Public Option Sneak Back In?

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First Posted: 05/22/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:55 PM ET

As the Senate gears up for an epic parliamentary duel over the health care reconciliation package this week, Republicans are vowing to attack every weakness they can find. Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) told reporters Monday night that he'd been thoroughly studying the bill and planned to raise a number of points of order. He was working with Senate leadership, he said, to craft a strategy to oppose reconciliation.

The point of order would object that a certain line or provision can not be passed using the reconciliation process.

Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.) met with Senate Parliamentarian Alan Frumin Monday and told reporters that he was confident the bill would evade the GOP tactics, but he had not finished going through the full bill.

Nothing is certain until it hits the floor. If the Senate parliamentarian upholds any one of those points and the bill is altered by so much as a deleted comma, it must then go back to the House for a final vote.

That's a scenario Democrats want to avoid and is the justification behind the leadership's decision to urge Democrats to vote against every amendment, even amendments they might otherwise support - such as a public option. "We know the Republicans are likely to offer a lot of amendments, and some of them may be appealing to Democrats, but we have to urge them to stick with the bill," Majority Whip Dick Durbin told reporters earlier in March. "We have to tell people, 'You just have to swallow hard' and say that putting an amendment on this is either going to stop it or slow it down, and we just can't let it happen."

The vote on the public option would be close without Democrats whipping against it. In that face of that opposition, it would likely be a blowout. In December, they managed to persuade 30 Democrats to vote against a bill allowing prescription drug reimportation - even though many of them were public supporters of it.

But if Republicans succeed in altering the bill even slightly, that justification disappears. The House, at that point, will be required to vote on the bill one more time.

And with Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) and his pro-life caucus squarely on board as the result of a deal with the White House, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) has the votes to pass a public option. There's an easy way to prove that assertion: She passed it in November 220-215 with a public option. Sunday night's version passed 220-211, meaning that four members could peel off and she would still have the needed support.

Any Democrat could introduce a public option amendment in the Senate and it would need a bare majority to pass. Would it have 50 votes? It looks that way, but the one way to find out is to hold the vote without leadership urging members to vote it down.

Democratic aides and members in the House and Senate say that the strategy is too risky, that there's no certainty that the House could get the final bill through again. But ask House Republicans: Betting against Pelosi is a quick way to go broke.

And Senate Republicans would be left to mull over the final irony that it was their own parliamentary obstruction that allowed the public option to slide back in.

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As the Senate gears up for an epic parliamentary duel over the health care reconciliation package this week, Republicans are vowing to attack every weakness they can find. Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) to...
As the Senate gears up for an epic parliamentary duel over the health care reconciliation package this week, Republicans are vowing to attack every weakness they can find. Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) to...
 
 
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juanjo
Plaudite, amici, comedia finita est.
02:14 PM on 03/24/2010
Given that the public option consistently polls as popular, the Republicans proceed down this road at their own peril. The current polls show they have energized their base but alienated roughly half the independents and virtually all Democrats by their behavior. If they succeed in getting the bill sent back to the house, let it contain a public option and a few more items which the public has clearly wanted. The house can pass it and the Republican loss will be even larger. They will become the party that wanted to take granny's medicine away and prevent junior from having medical insurance.
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rr52
The fighter still remains...
08:51 AM on 03/24/2010
Eliminating the public option and making people buy insurance is really looking like a ploy to me now with 14 states suing over the mandate saying it's unconstitutional to make people buy a product.

OK. Give the states their way. Pull the mandate and restore the public option. Deal fixed. And the public option will go further to reduce the deficit anywhere from $25 billion to $110 billion. http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/03/17/a-public-option-would-sure-fix-democrats-cbo-troubles/

Talk about shoving it up the GOP's ass. I would do it in a heartbeat if I were the prez. Would love to see the GOP big mouths choke up on the reduction to the deficit and watch the public option open up health care to the poorest of the poor. It's killing two birds with one stone.
09:51 AM on 03/24/2010
You're a firebagger and I wont listen to anything you say. LALALALALALALALALALA!
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rr52
The fighter still remains...
08:42 PM on 03/24/2010
Hardly. I've been on that website exactly twice. It offered a dollar figure for how much the public option could actually save.
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lstl4
07:53 AM on 03/24/2010
We dont need to rock the boat right now. Once the senate passes the bill, we can work for the public option. There is still alot of disappointments with this bill, but now we have a start to make things better. Trust me, the insurance companies are still going to do things that make people pay outrageous prices, but once that happens, the citizens will demand the public option and then we will finally get it. One step at a time!!
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02:38 AM on 03/24/2010
Until their is a public option, there will be no real major change. Costs can still go up since there is no control put in the bill to limit the percentages.
Yes, they cannot cancel you or deny you with this bill, but they can still control what they will force us to pay for it. NO real competition to keep costs down--just that the insurance companies are going to suck mre money out of more people one way or another.
And for those left out that live on the edge as it is, the IRS will have the power to fine and collect from you, posibly taking your house if that's all you have left. Sounds real sick to me.
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juanjo
Plaudite, amici, comedia finita est.
02:22 PM on 03/24/2010
I agree that the country needs real national health coverage. That means a single payer system. If the insurance companies continue to raise rates through the roof and there is every indication they will, this will backfire on them and they will find the electorate forcing this issue in Congress, putting them out of business. To paraphrase a certain old saying, you can screw some of the people all of the time, you can screw all of the people some of the time but you cannot screw all of the people all of the time.

If you read the bill you will find the IRS cannot come in and seize your house if you do not have the economic wherewithal to pay for health insurance. But rest assured there will be plenty of greedy jerks out there loudly proclaiming this bill violates their right to not have insurance and who, if victims of a catastrophic illness or injury will immediately demand the public pay for his medical care.
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uneeda
Make Peace in Our Time
12:42 AM on 03/24/2010
lazarus (obama) has risen from the dead
09:31 PM on 03/23/2010
Obamacare passed by only 7 votes and despite the fact it is opposed by 2/3rds of American citizens. What the Democrats have succeeded in doing is proving they are tone deaf tyrants. FYI – 39% of Americans are registered Independent not Republican or Democrat and the majority either did not want this Bill or wanted Congress to start over. So Democrats, until November, go ahead and celebrate your hollow victory.
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ProfessorBrooks
Don't believe everything you think.
10:04 PM on 03/23/2010
Where do you get ridiculous numbers like "2/3rds of Americans" are against this? You have to do a lot of twisting and cherry picking to come up with such a figure. The vast majority of Americans want health care reform--they might not like this final bill, but only because we wanted something better than what came out of trying to placate obstructionist Republicans. We are settling for something as better than nothing after a year of trying to get pinheads like you on board. No genuine HuffPo reader is fooled by your cynical twisting of numbers.
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Moonspirit48
Happy to be alive ...
10:36 PM on 03/23/2010
You'll be eating your words when you see how the poll jumps in favor of the health care reform bill passing. People are dancing in the street around here. There is rejoicing across the land. Take your fingers out of your ears so you can listen.
12:52 AM on 03/24/2010
I even went out to howl at the moon! :) :) :) Oh, and the above fake poll numbers are so wrong! Approval is going up, more approve than disapprove of this bill, and President Obama's ratings are going back up too! This is a good start. And, I hope this is the beginning of the end of trying to reason and work with the obstructionists! Our country can't play games with them anymore. We have WORK to do!
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Elle Bach
Mr. Einstein...please call me
05:24 PM on 03/23/2010
Thank you (I think...are you a GOP operative?)
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Elle Bach
Mr. Einstein...please call me
05:22 PM on 03/23/2010
(Let's try this one..... third time's a charm?)

YES! YES! YES! PLEASE! PLEASE! PLEASE!
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Cunningham
I intend to live forever, or die trying. GrouchoM
04:38 PM on 03/23/2010
JUST DO IT, SENATORS!
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Hysterian68
bureaucrat/historian/ranter
04:05 PM on 03/23/2010
Sneaking in the public option is entirely possible since the GOP has demonstrated over and over again they haven't the votes to stop this oncoming train . If the Democrats can successfully paint the GOP as the party of the insurance companies, the banks, big pharma, and every nefarious vested interest you can think of, the GOP is in for a very tough time in November. Obama will have risen from the dead triumphant!!

Republicans would be wise to get rid of their leadership on the Hill and fire Michael Steele at the RNC before the races heat up this summer.
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michelesda
My micro-bio is empty.
08:53 PM on 03/23/2010
"Obama will have risen from the dead triumphant!!"

Wow, if he can really do that, it will prove to the wingnuts that he really is the Antichrist.
jdrourke
Please don't let my facts deflate your ignorance.
04:00 PM on 03/23/2010
Sneak, baby, sneak! Lord knows we've seen the Repubs do it way too many times...

http://jdrourke.wordpress.com/
03:39 PM on 03/23/2010
Obama/Reid/Durbin are Lucy, the public option is the football, and we're Charlie Brown. How many more times are we gonna fall for this one?

Best hope for a public option is to get rid of the mandate, even if it means working with Rethuglicans to do it.
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03:53 PM on 03/23/2010
very well put
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Elle Bach
Mr. Einstein...please call me
04:54 PM on 03/23/2010
DuPageDem,

Somebody teach me something! Why is the 'best hope for a public option" gettting rid of the mandate by working with devil?

I'm just real curious because I don't think the Rethugs actually want ANY healthcare reform - at all. Period. They just want all of the old and sick to die, and to work the young and healthy like servant slaves until they die. What do you see in them that I'm missing?
11:21 PM on 03/23/2010
The mandate makes this bill corporate welfare instead of real reform. It forces everyone to purchase a crummy product from for-profit corporations, handing them hundreds of billions in new premiums and subsidies. They will use that revenue to consolidate their grip on public policy and purchase the few politicians they don't already own. The weak promises of "we'll fix this bill later, it's just a start" will be impossible to keep.

Ending the mandate, while continuing to require these companies insure everyone, will accelerate the premium cost spiral. It will weaken insurers and make it harder for insurers to buy off Washington. It will make premiums and subsidies so costly to both consumers and the government that they will seek relief via a public option, if not single payer.

Liberals who genuinely want real reform should join the other side in cosponsoring a bill to repeal the mandate. If nothing else, they can use that bill as leverage to win approval of a public option bill.
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softvoice
keep your eye on the prize
03:15 PM on 03/23/2010
Republicans made their decision on inauguration day. They declared that they would do what ever it takes to destroy Barack Obama's Presidency. They never even considered the possibility of working together with Democrats, to get us through this financial crisis or to help Americans with crushing health care costs. Jim De Mint famously declared that the Republicans could break the President and make health care reform his "waterloo." The country is not going to forget the way Republicans have turned their backs on this country.
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StillIRise
The past, present and future are one
03:33 PM on 03/23/2010
Republicans also decided, early in Obama's presidency, that one of the things they would have to do to try to win back the White House and Congress, is to diminish Obama's support in the white community. And it's been an orchestrated effort on behalf of the Republicans to meet this objective, even if it means dangerously dividing our nation, which is exactly what they have accomplished in doing.

These are the people who claim to love our country, but who obviously love it so much that they're willing to destroy it solely to regain power over it; and in this case, to also wrest power away from this black President.

They have become a blight on our nation ...
03:52 PM on 03/23/2010
obama has done more to hurt the division starting with the issue in Cambridge Mass., not commenting on the racial attacks on the white students on the school buses by black students, not commenting on the black on black attack by SEIU members. apologizing for America everywhere he went

then you have piglosi and the dems calling thr tea party protesters radical, sensless racists. agreed there are extremists in all parties but the majority of the tea party protester are mature educated people who are concerned. you cannot blame them for that.

the dems have just as much to blame for the racial divide than the gop. if anything the gop has pretty much stayed away from the issue
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DJleary
03:43 PM on 03/23/2010
The Public Option has been kept out so far by Democrats and Barack Obama.
That's a fact. Obama didn't even put it in his own bill. He's full of crap!
They can try to push this garbage bill uphill all they want.
If there is no public option or alternative to the private national disgrace we
all are living with- then this thing is nothing more than a huge insurance industry
giveaway.
Stock market doesn't lie- check it yourself. Industry loves it!
So no public option and I start staying home on election days.
Doesn't matter.
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nirek
Proud progressive Vietnam vet. against WAR
03:06 PM on 03/23/2010
So the republicans are going to fight the fixes bill? They want the Corn huskers give away?
They are wingnuts!

Nirek
03:26 PM on 03/23/2010
The Republicans will grasp at anything they can use to flog the Democrats. They would happily embrace the Nebraska shenanigan now, in order to use as campaign fodder in the upcoming election. Yes, they are wingnuts.
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AceNewsServices
Changing The World One Step At A Time
02:54 PM on 03/23/2010
Just as we all are relieved - well so of us that the bill got this far out come the opposition with a round of barracking and comments aimed at persuading democrats that this may not be as good as it sounds. When do people feel in this world and care about the 32 million Americans that now have a first chance at having healthcare that is not reliant on having a job whereby due to an economic downturn caused by some of the people who voted against the bill - being able to take it away their livelihood and medicare with a swipe of a pen.

We did not get this far to back off now and as President Obama said in his speech now the work is just starting - so to all dissenters l say the same.