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Drone Wars, Without Any Rules

First Posted: 05/24/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:55 PM ET

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The CIA's extensive use of unmanned drones to kill alleged terrorists in Pakistan and elsewhere is arguably against international law and raises the possibility that top U.S. officials will someday be tried at the Hague for war crimes, a law professor told a congressional oversight panel on Tuesday.

Despite the rapidly increasing use of drones in warfare and anti-terrorism -- and the legal and ethical issues their use raises -- the U.S. government has never publicly advanced a legal justification for sending its drones on targeted killing runs overseas; up until Tuesday, Congress hadn't even held a single hearing into the question.

Kenneth Anderson, an American University law professor, told the panel he believes there is legal justification for the U.S.'s use of drones, not just by the military but by the CIA, under the doctrine of self-defense.

But, he said, government lawyers "have not settled on what the rationales are, and I believe that at some point that ill serves an administration which is embracing this. Now, maybe the answer is: This is really terrible and illegal and anybody that does it should go off to the Hague. But if that's the case, then we should not be having the president saying that this is the greatest thing since whatever. That seems like a bad idea."

As HuffPost reported last week, the ACLU has filed a freedom of information lawsuit demanding that the government disclose the legal basis for its use of unmanned drones to conduct targeted killings overseas, as well as the ground rules regarding when, where and against whom drone strikes can be authorized, and the number of civilian casualties they have caused. The initial response from the government was that some public legal justification was, indeed, forthcoming.

But many questions about drones aren't just unresolved, they've never even been asked. Rep. John F. Tierney (D-Mass.), chairman of the House oversight committee's national security subcommittee, mentioned some of them in his opening statement:

[I]f the United States uses unmanned weapons systems, does that require an official declaration of war or an authorization for the use of force?


Do the Geneva Conventions -- written in 1949 -- govern the prosecution of an unmanned war?

Who is considered a lawful combatant in unmanned war -- the Air Force pilot flying a Predator from thousands of miles away in Nevada, or the civilian contractor servicing it in on an airstrip in Afghanistan?

Then there are questions about the civilian casualty rate; about how the U.S. maintains superiority in drone warfare; what happens when the bad guys get hold of them; and how do you defend against them.

Rep. Bill Foster (D-Ill.) raised the concern that drones might make some of the Pentagon's big-ticket purchases look less wise.

"What I'm worried about is, we're at some point going to be asked to defend Taiwan, you know, with a set of aircraft carriers, and all of sudden, 10,000 Chinese-manufactured mass-produced drones will be coming at us," Foster said. "And it'll be game over. "

And just wait until they start thinking for themselves.

"If trends in computer science and robotics engineering continue, it is conceivable that autonomous systems could soon be developed that are capable of making life and death decisions without direct human intervention," said John Edward Jackson, professor of unmanned systems at the U.S. Naval War College.

"Would a self-conscious and willful machine choose its own ends, and even be considered a person with rights?" asked Edward Barrett, director of research for the Stockdale Center, the U.S. Naval Academy's ethics and military policy think tank.

The troubling questions and scenarios were coming from a panel that was, nevertheless, largely pro-drone -- to the consternation of a handful of protesters in the audience.

The panel's head cheerleader was Michael S. Fagan, who chairs the Advocacy Committee for the Association for Unmanned Vehicle Systems International.

Fagan said there is "much more" that drones can do to protect the nation. He urged the Federal Aviation Administration to allow drone-makers access to more airspace and spoke of "other useful applications of unmanned technology" such as "civil unrest".

Peter W. Singer, director of the 21st Century Defense Initiative at the Brookings Institution, noted the the U.S. government isn't the only one using drones. American border vigilantes have used them, as did Hezbollah during Israel's 2006 invasion of Lebanon, and, most recently, a gang of thieves in Taiwan.

Barrett, the ethicist, worried that drones make war too easy. "Favorable alterations to pre-war proportionality calculations," he said, could "reduce the rigor with which non-violent alternatives are pursued, and thus encourage unnecessary -- and therefore unjust -- wars," he said.

He also said the homeland could be at risk if, on the battlefield, there's "no one for the enemy to shoot at." He explained: "You don't want to go just to unmanned, or they're coming here."

Several clear distinctions emerged between the military's use of drones and the CIA's. One of those distinctions is that we know almost nothing about what the CIA is really doing, and how. "We do know about the military's use of these systems, and they've shown... exceptional respect for the laws of war," said Singer. "My concern is with the CIA strikes."

Instead of trained military strategists, it's intelligence analysts planning air-war campaigns, and CIA lawyers deciding on when to launch;. Or maybe it's not even the CIA itself, but its contractors. Who knows?

Are there any limits? How many civilian casualties have there been? Does what they're doing even make sense?

"We may be sucking ourselves into a game of whack-a-mole," Singer said. "Are we unwittingly aiding their recruiting?"

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Feanor
I want my jewels back.
02:01 AM on 04/15/2010
"If trends in computer science and robotics engineering continue, it is conceivable that autonomous systems could soon be developed that are capable of making life and death decisions without direct human intervention," said John Edward Jackson, professor of unmanned systems at the U.S. Naval War College."

I think somebody needs to buy this guy a copy of "The Terminator"
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Fein
Either everybody counts or nobody does.
04:51 PM on 04/14/2010
"Are we unwittingly aiding their recruiting?"

Every intelligence agency in the world including the CIA says so.
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patches12
01:26 PM on 04/03/2010
Obama has killed more people with drones than Bush did during his entire Presidency. Civilians and "suspect" terrorists are murdered without a trial, without a lawyer and yet the irony is that Obama and Holder hold themselves out to be these great protector of human rights. Lets see, waterboarding or summary death from the sky... it looks like the Progressives have chosen what they think is the most "criminal"

Meanwhile... Code Pink protests Carl Rove... yup.. that's right on target too... duhhh
01:35 AM on 04/05/2010
wait...Just how many people died during the 1st several years of the Iraq war and occupation...you know, the war that Bush lied to bring about?...or, are you simply trying to avoid counting all of those deaths...

lol...try again
01:58 PM on 03/26/2010
The main problem here is there is no one big enough to take on the US, draw a line in the sand, clearly state "You are now rogue, have broken treaties and the rules of law and now must pay the price." The Neocons are drunk with power as they are not being punished for being war criminals and they keep going farther and farther with their collateral damage, covert ops, occupations, invasions and now Drone Wars where borders do not matter. There is no point of retribution until it is too late and it all comes crashing down and the US collapses into some dark age of complete anarchy and isolation. There is a clandestine covert war going on her for complete destruction of what is left of our democracy, but front page in your face wars elsewhere globally. The end will not be pretty.
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Tomlastliberalleft
03:06 PM on 03/25/2010
Here is the dilemma. Right now the most likely scenario for getting Bin Laden is by a drone fired Hellfire missile. Is that enough of a reason to continue using drones in Afghanistan? Is it better to get Osama sooner, or later? We have to assume that he is still plotting and scheming to kill more civilians. Whose to say which civilians are worth so little that you can justify not killing this mad man? Bush tended to apply the limited number of drones then available to go after the enemy’s leadership. Now that we have many drones available there is a perceived need to do more, especially after Camp Chapman.

The danger here is there are plenty of reasons not to make going to war too easy. If a nation can go to war and basically risk nothing but having a few dozen robots being blown out of commission then we have a genuine problem to face. If we could guarantee that our leadership would always be wise and thoughtful about the application of force then robots make sense, sort of. The last few years should have convinced everyone that our nation is still quite capable of having really bad leadership and leaders who do not embrace the core values of the Republic and defend them. For good or bad the drones are primarily there to seek out and destroy the bad guys where they have chosen to hide. That means innocent people will die.
11:09 AM on 03/25/2010
During the first year of the Obama administration, there were 51 drone attacks, compared to 45 drone attacks during President Bush's two terms in office, according to The Year of the Drone, a report by the Washington-based New America Foundation.

The report also states that the civilian fatality rate has been 32 percent in drone attacks since 2004.

"Drones are currently killing people in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia. It should be noted that the United States is not at war with any of those countries, which should mean in a sane world that the killing is illegal under both international law and the US Constitution," states Philip Girald, a former CIA officer and fellow of the American Conservative Defense Alliance.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/03/24-2
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HANNIBAL1066
I've written on the Tea Party movement at politica
10:33 AM on 03/25/2010
What is the difference between a Navy Tomcat and a Predator? In the Tomcat, the pilot is in the plane. With the Predator, the human pilot is on the ground. In other words, other than the location of the pilot, there is no difference.

When President Clinton ordered a cruise missile strike on terrorist targets in Sudan, no one complained that cruise missiles were illegal. They are unmanned and controlled by on-board computer guidance system.

If you object to the targets being struck and the legality of striking those targets, that is a completely different question.

If you object because the pilot is a civilian rather than in the military regarding the Predator, that is also a different question.

If your objection is over the platform, you are not advancing a serious argument.

As to how to defend against drones that is rather simple. For one thing, they are difficult to detect by the human eye but they are detectable by radar. Even stealth aircraft are not invisible, they just have a much smaller radar profile.

As to intelligence analysts planning air strikes, you obviously have never been in the military. Intelligence analysts do not do operational planning. They do the intelligence work for targeting. Operational planners do the actual mission planning. This also means that the planners are not "military strategists."

I enjoy many of your articles, but if you are going to write about national security at least master some of the basics.
10:33 AM on 03/25/2010
Since when does the USA care if they violate international law ?

Many Americans I have talked to recently find it perfectly normal to have Guantanamo and no habeas corpus for the terrorists. Just one attack on 9/11 has created a lawless situation for suspects and the obvious belief pre-emptive strikes against countries are fine although they never posed a threat to the USA. So why would anybody get excited about collateral damage from drones ?
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KIVPossum
Moldova Marsupial
10:19 AM on 03/25/2010
As long as we continue to use drone strikes as an instrument of war, we have lost all moral authority to condemn suicide bombers.
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chuck prebys
01:12 AM on 03/25/2010
And wait until you see the millimeter wave pain rays, sound cannons and assundry electronic devices they will unleash someday.
What do you suppose made all those Iraqi's surrender en mass during the 1st gulf war?
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chuck prebys
01:06 AM on 03/25/2010
Now you understand why they practically gave away all those video games for your kids to play.
At least they are learning how to use them on brown peoples wedding parties and the neighbors house before they bring them here to use on you.
10:55 PM on 03/24/2010
Drones silently patrol U.S. borders

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/03/12/border.drones/index.html

Aerial drones could patrol Texas border

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/politics/84816947.html

Predator Drones to patrol U.S-Canadian border

http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/02/17/predator-drones-to-patrol-us-canadian-border/

Drone aircraft will be used to nab illegal immigrants on Cali/ Mexico boarder

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/12/drone-aircraft-will-be-used-to-nab-illegal-immigrants-on-californiamexico-border.html

Send in the Drones..UAVs for Border Patrol and 2010

http://no2010.com/node/845”””””
10:48 PM on 03/24/2010
Pentagon targets Wiki whistleblowers

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1221972/Pentagon-targets-Wiki-whistleblowers-
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Quitcherbichin
If you are posting here, thank a veteran.
09:20 PM on 03/24/2010
The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the presidency. It will be easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to an electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails us. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The republic can survive a Barack Obama. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.
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MajorKong
If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally
10:29 PM on 03/24/2010
And here is a perfect insight into the right-wing mindset.

These people truly believe that the Executive Branch is their birthright by divine mandate and if a Democrat occupies it the natural order of the universe has been upset.
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KIVPossum
Moldova Marsupial
10:22 AM on 03/25/2010
Wow, just wow!
07:19 PM on 03/24/2010
In a case where a drone or other offensive weapon operated by artificial intelligence made decisions and then killed persons in violation off international law, then those who would be held responsible are the persons who put into operation the weapon, for they know what the weapon will do.
07:53 PM on 03/24/2010
however they were remotely operated