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NICOLE WINFIELD   03/31/10 12:03 AM ET   AP

VATICAN CITY — Dragged deeper than ever into the clerical sex abuse scandal, the Vatican is launching a legal defense that it hopes will shield the pope from a lawsuit in Kentucky seeking to have him answer attorneys' questions under oath.

Court documents obtained Tuesday by The Associated Press show that Vatican lawyers plan to argue that the pope has immunity as head of state, that American bishops who oversaw abusive priests weren't employees of the Vatican, and that a 1962 document is not the "smoking gun" that provides proof of a cover-up.

The Holy See is trying to fend off the first U.S. case to reach the stage of determining whether victims actually have a claim against the Vatican itself for negligence for allegedly failing to alert police or the public about Roman Catholic priests who molested children.

The case was filed in 2004 in Kentucky by three men who claim they were abused by priests and claim negligence by the Vatican. Their attorney, William McMurry, is seeking class-action status for the case, saying there are thousands of victims across the country.

"This case is the only case that has been ever been filed against the Vatican which has as its sole objective to hold the Vatican accountable for all the priest sex abuse ever committed in this country," he said in a phone interview. "There is no other defendant. There's no bishop, no priest."

The Vatican is seeking to dismiss the suit before Benedict XVI can be questioned or documents subpoenaed.

The preview of the legal defense was submitted last month in U.S. District Court in Louisville. The Vatican's strategy is to be formally filed in the coming weeks. Vatican officials declined to comment on Tuesday.

Plaintiffs in the Kentucky suit argue that U.S. diocesan bishops were employees of the Holy See, and that Rome was therefore responsible for their alleged wrongdoing in failing to report abuse.

They say a 1962 Vatican document mandated that bishops not report sex abuse cases to police. The Vatican has argued that there is nothing in the document that precluded bishops from calling police.

With the U.S. scandal reinvigorated by reports of abuse in Europe and scrutiny of Benedict's handling of abuse cases when he was archbishop of Munich, the Kentucky case and another in Oregon have taken on greater significance. Lawyers as far away as Australia have said they plan to use similar strategies.

At the same time though, the hurdles remain enormously high to force a foreign government to turn over confidential documents, let alone to subject a head of state to questioning by U.S. lawyers, experts say.

The United States considers the Vatican a sovereign state – the two have had diplomatic relations since 1984. In 2007, U.S. District Court Judge John Heyburn rejected an initial request by the plaintiffs to depose Benedict.

"They will not be able to depose the pope," said Joseph Dellapenna, a professor at Villanova University Law School an author of "Suing Foreign Governments and their Corporations."

"But lower level officials could very well be deposed and there could be subpoenas for documents as part of discovery," he said.

McMurry last week filed a new court motion seeking to depose the pope; Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, currently Vatican secretary of state but for years the pope's deputy at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith; Cardinal William Levada, an American who currently heads the Congregation; and Archbishop Pietro Sambi, the Vatican's representative in the U.S.

On Tuesday, McMurry filed a memorandum in support of his demand to question Benedict based on court documents unearthed last week detailing the role of the Congregation in shutting down a canonical trial for a Wisconsin priest who allegedly molested up to 200 deaf boys.

"These documents confirm that the CDF, under Pope Benedict XVI's lead, discouraged prosecution of accused clergy and encouraged secrecy to protect the reputation of the church," wrote McMurry, who represented 243 sex abuse victims that settled with the Archdiocese of Louisville in 2003 for $25.3 million.

Jeffrey Lena, the reclusive architect of the Vatican's legal strategy in the U.S., is seeking to have the court rule on the Vatican's other defenses before allowing the pope to be deposed, in hopes that the suit will be dismissed. In his filing, Lena noted that the U.S. Supreme Court has held that when a defendant enjoys immunity, a court shouldn't allow a "discovery fishing expedition on claims that are baseless or speculative."

Lena also has argued that the pope's deposition would violate the Vatican's own laws on confidentiality, and would set a bad precedent for U.S. officials.

"If Pope Benedict XVI is ordered to testify by a U.S. court, foreign courts could feel empowered to order discovery against the president of the United States regarding, for example, such issues as CIA renditions," Lena wrote in a 2008 brief.

McMurry is eager to find out what the Vatican knew and did, in particular, about Rev. Louis Miller, who was removed from the priesthood in 2004 by the late Pope John Paul II. Miller pleaded guilty in 2003 to sexually abusing one of the plaintiffs in the Kentucky lawsuit and other children in the 1970s. He is serving a 13-year prison sentence.

In a deposition transcription obtained by The Associated Press, Miller said he had offered to resign as early as 1962 to his then-Archbishop John Floersh, and that two subsequent archbishops knew of his crimes but continued to keep him as a priest, moving him from parish to parish.

In explaining why he wanted to resign, Miller said: "I just knew that the crime was so horrendous in my own mind that I didn't feel that I was worthy to remain a priest."

But he said Floersh was "compassionate," kept him on, and told him, "You will always be a good priest."

Plaintiffs in the Kentucky suit contend that bishops are employees of the Vatican. That point is crucial to determing whether the Holy See can be held responsible for their behavior.

There's a general consensus among legal scholars that an employee is someone who works for the employer, who controls the details of the work. Attorneys for the Vatican are expected to argue that diocesan bishops do not work for the pope, and that the Holy See does not exercise the day-to-day control over their work necessary to create an employment relationship.

Also crucial to the Kentucky lawsuit is the 1962 document "Crimen Sollicitationis" – Latin for "crimes of solicitation." It describes how church authorities should deal procedurally with cases of abuse of children by priests, cases where sex is solicited in the confessional – a particularly heinous crime under canon law – and cases of homosexuality and bestiality.

McMurry argues that the document imposed the highest level of secrecy on such matters and reflected a Vatican policy barring bishops from reporting abuse to police.

Lena declined to comment Tuesday, but he has tried to shoot down McMurry's theory by arguing that McMurry's own expert witness, canon lawyer Thomas P. Doyle, has rejected theories that Crimen was proof of a cover-up.

The plaintiffs, Lena wrote in a 2008 motion, "fail to offer any facts in support of their theory that Crimen caused their injuries, nor indeed any facts that Crimen was ever in the possession of the Louisville archdiocese or used in Kentucky."

McMurry insisted Tuesday that Crimen is a smoking gun.

"The fact is, this document and its predecessors make it an excommunicable offense to reveal any knowledge of allegations that a priest has sexually abused," he said in an e-mail.

The existence of Crimen did not become publicly known until 2003, when a lawyer noticed a reference to the document while reading a 2001 letter written by Benedict, then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger. McMurry is seeking to subpoena Ratzinger's letter, which instructed all bishops to send cases of clerical sex abuse to him and to keep the proceedings secret.

In 2008, the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals gave the go-ahead for Kentucky lawsuit to continue, ruling that an exception to sovereign immunity, which shields most foreign governments from U.S. lawsuits, should be applied.

The 6th Circuit eliminated most of the plaintiffs claims' in its late 2008 ruling before returning it to district court.

(This version CORRECTS SUBS graf 21, to correct that reference is to one of the plaintiffs, sted defendants in the Kentucky lawsuit.)

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ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
11:41 PM on 04/03/2010
1) I'm the pope
2) I was in hitler youth
3) Peons.

Not the most convincing of arguments.
06:46 PM on 04/01/2010
Point well taken.
But, it sounds like a lack of awareness.
People choose to ignore what they view as fearful.
What they fear is an illusion.
Awareness can overcome the illusion.
There’s no point in judging those who are ignorant.
They want the same thing we all do at some level.
They cannot live in fear forever.
I misspelled ignorance (ingnorance) – perhaps that’s stew pid . . . he he !!
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Lozange
Aiming around wondrously
09:53 PM on 03/31/2010
The Church is bringing abominy onto itself by not policing its clergy however the Pope is not to be subjected to a state court of law. It's ludicrous. That does whiff of a conspiracy to attack a symbol rather than a quest for acknowledgment and closure for the victims. I hate to say it because I'm not much different than the victims but from having prosecuted, I can also state that the victory was felt internally, like walking on a cloud but that it didn't have the desired punishment on the perpetrator. So long as the victims are aware the desire for retribution will not be satisfied, I'd say aim reasonably and don't feed the hatred, it only compost humanity further.
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AnotherAndy
Justice for Trayvon
03:52 PM on 04/01/2010
Your comment is, to use your own word, ludicrous. Pope Benedict may be a symbol, and a symbol what would be a fair question now, but Cardinal Ratzinger, Arch Bishop on Munich and later head of the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which is supposed to discipline priests, is only a man, a man who is implicated in the coverup of sexual crimes against children. He should have to answer for that in every courtroom that has jurisdiction in the locales where the crimes were committed. That isn't retribution, it is simple justice.

What if the priestly crimes were murder? Should the Vatican keep those secret too? Should the Pope have to answer to a court of law for protecting murderers for the good of the Church? If your answer is yes, Mr. Ratzinger, AKA Pope Benedict, should be compelled to answer questions about his role in cover-ups of murders committed by priestst , then he should also answer for his role in cover-ups of the rape of children by priests. If your answer is no, the Pope is above any national laws, then you are a pig.
08:38 PM on 03/31/2010
funny, ... you never read or hear about women involved in these heinous sexual crimes. correction: one in a million.

maybe castration is the answer...........these men do not deserve a penis
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Yeah-Me
Well... Just who else would I be? Palin?
10:14 PM on 03/31/2010
Go ahead and read... complete with priestly abuse of nuns, and then encouraged to have abortions...

http://layscience.net/node/977

The catholic church heirarchy is, to quote Martha Stewart... Not a Good Thing.
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Oonagh
Old sins have long shadows
10:25 PM on 03/31/2010
Ireland had a huge problem with nuns abusing children in orphanages, there was a movie about it.
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
05:34 PM on 03/31/2010
For people discussing the sovereignity of Holy See or Vatican State; the US informally recognized Holy See, but in 1984 it was given formal nation status. See the official State Dept. statement about HS/V at http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/3819.htm.

It leaves out a few things. In 1983/4, a concordat was signed between HS/V and Italy. Among other things, HS/V agreed not to have a 'state religion' (Israel doesn't either) and made some politcal changes formal. It appears US recognition was made possible by the concordat.

I've posted before on the political set-up of the HS/V, the Catholic Church and the Vatican bank. Look at the wikipedia articles (there are more than one); they're pretty confused, but you can glean it there.
05:19 PM on 03/31/2010
Like Noriega had immunity!

That's it, I'm officially done with the Roman Catholic religion, and any organized religion that puts itself before the message that it's teaching.
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James Gornick
05:29 PM on 03/31/2010
I posted this to another blogger for just this reason alone...

He stated, "There are no Middlemen between God, Jesus and us," and I stated, "You are correct, there has never been "Middlemen".

The one thing for sure... The Catholic church will still remain the seat of Peter; and that Jesus gave the seat of Peter--the keys to "Bind and/or Loose," and that puts them in the position of interceding for us when we can't get out of our own way to save our own souls from damnation... Not to say that they individually aren't at risk also...

This is why we call upon the Mother of the Living God along with all the Saints to intercede for our prayers and conversion away from what brings us to Sin...

review my other posted messages and you will gather that I do not condone, what anyone does to the least of our brother, and/or sister... I do believe that we are all with Mortal Sin and can not cast the stones we cast at the Catholic Church, or anyone else other than to pray for our own Sins to be forgiven before we leave this fine earth...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/30/vatican-launches-legal-de_n_519113.html?page=30&show_comment_id=43554344#comment_43554344

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1146410200740

May your Easter be Filled With Many Blessings...
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05:41 PM on 03/31/2010
Bunk.
You're trying to wash away their criminal sins.

We are NOT "all with mortal sin".
Nonsense!
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Glad2bCdn
06:59 PM on 03/31/2010
Is it really that important to protect the criminal pedophile - is my sin enough to hold me back from saying no to the pedophole - what is your point here - that the sin is forgivable because we are all sinners in god's eyes - god can stuff it up his...

Are you really wanting to share your afterlife behind the peatkrly gates with criminals whose evil is so easily "forgiven"

f the holy father as he would f you - I am secure in my afterlife and if I am wrong I will see you there and we can discuss it by the fire
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xena
04:58 PM on 03/31/2010
When looking through history from way back, there haven't been that many popes who could be described as fine upstanding citizens, let alone should be the leader of an entire religion. My question is, why do so many people continue to be catholics? History shows it's been corrupt from the beginning until 1 second ago. I can't wrap my mind around it.
04:42 PM on 03/31/2010
Too bad the pope can't be the kind of man President Obama is ... step up and say, "The buck stops here." Instead, he'll say and do anything to avoid taking responsibility.
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Glad2bCdn
02:32 PM on 03/31/2010
FAIL FAIL FAIL 1962? means they knew long before that and yet new guys are in on the old act - hmmmm - come join the priesthood little boys are yours for the taking - this whole thing is repulsive and I've said this before but everyone who hid the truth is as guilty as the ones that did the deed - That is most especially true of the man at the top that knew every sordid detail - criminal bugg ery is the charge - conspiracy to commit criminal acts upon children - an act not stopped is an act condoned your (choking on this term) "Holiness" - once a nazi always a nazi eh? not enough terror in your own youth?
02:02 PM on 03/31/2010
They only need one reason and it's irrefutable. God said so.... Prove em wrong, as with the rest of the religious nonsense..
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jeliz
Think for yourselves.
01:49 PM on 03/31/2010
The negligence by the Catholic church -- and any Pope for that matter -- in dealing with these sexual abuse cases only leads me to conclude the Catholic church is a cult overrun by sexual predators and deviants. Vatican City, a country unto itself, harbors many secrets in their underground vaults which the public will never have access to (the entire history of Christianity) unless they are a country which is invaded and occupied.

How can anyone, in good conscience, believe there is a consequence in the afterlife when so many priests -- supposed men of God -- have no qualms about breaking the very laws they expect others to obey? It has truly soured me on the very notion of a benevolent God when God won't strike down the very devils in his midst. The Pope is just a man -- not God's representative on Earth; and his failure to address this issue and trying to prevent these lawsuits proves it. If he had nothing to hide, he'd be happy to speak about the sexual abuse so many have suffered at the hands of his representatives.

Remember when everyone condemned Sinead O'Connor for tearing up the photo of John Paul on SNL? Turns out she was right about the Catholic Church.
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Glad2bCdn
02:33 PM on 03/31/2010
Here here! Who wants to go to heaven - it's clearly overrun with pedophiles...
01:27 PM on 03/31/2010
The catholic church is disgusting. All of those who were abused should ban together and get signed petitions to dismantle the catholic church. Call every media outlet in the US and Europe, start a facebook page for victims of abuse by priest who the Vatican protected. Keep the story in public eye until the church actually does something. Let the so-called faithful see how disgusting the church really is. Then they should pull together other victims of child abuse and sex crimes in a show of support . Show the Vatican that their actions and years of covering up abuse is no longer acceptable. If they have no congregation members THEY HAVE NO CHURCH.The CATHOLIC CHURCH ARE THE BIGGEST WAR CRIMINALS OF HISTORY.SO I AM NOT SURPRISED BY THIS COVER UP.
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eyelashviper
In wilderness is the preservation of the world
01:04 PM on 03/31/2010
The Vatican's three reasons:

l. Guys will be guys.

2. Kids need to learn to obey the Church.

3. We make out own rules, Gawd said so.
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Tena
01:00 PM on 03/31/2010
The Catholic Church is about the most moribund institution on the planet. They just haven't figured it out yet.
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Rob Neville
Curate
12:39 PM on 03/31/2010
In all this posturing by the Vatican you never hear concern for the victims. The church is not an institution it is the people. The "leaders" who are supposed, scripturally, to be servants of victims. They are not concerned with the victims or the people at all. They are only concerned with themselves. When the "leaders" of any group lose sight of who they are leading they end up leading no one.