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'Climategate' Investigation Clears UK Scientists Of Most Serious Claims

RAPHAEL G. SATTER   03/31/10 03:59 AM ET   AP

Global Warming Phil Jones

LONDON — The first of several British investigations into the e-mails leaked from one of the world's leading climate research centers has largely vindicated the scientists involved.

The House of Commons' Science and Technology Committee said Wednesday that they'd seen no evidence to support charges that the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit or its director, Phil Jones, had tampered with data or perverted the peer review process to exaggerate the threat of global warming – two of the most serious criticisms levied against the climatologist and his colleagues.

In their report, the committee said that, as far as it was able to ascertain, "the scientific reputation of Professor Jones and CRU remains intact," adding that nothing in the more than 1,000 stolen e-mails, or the controversy kicked up by their publication, challenged scientific consensus that "global warming is happening and that it is induced by human activity."

The 14-member committee's investigation is one of three launched after the dissemination, in November, of e-mails and data stolen from the research unit. The e-mails appeared to show scientists berating skeptics in sometimes intensely personal attacks, discussing ways to shield their data from public records laws, and discussing ways to keep skeptics' research out of peer-reviewed journals. One that attracted particular media attention was Jones' reference to a "trick" that could be used to "hide the decline" of temperatures.

The e-mails' publication ahead of the Copenhagen climate change summit sparked an online furor, with skeptics of man-made climate change calling the e-mails' publication "Climategate" and claiming them as proof that the science behind global warming had been exaggerated – or even made up altogether.

The lawmakers said they decided to investigate due to "the serious implications for U.K. science."

Phil Willis, the committee's chairman, said of the e-mails that "there's no denying that some of them were pretty appalling." But the committee found no evidence of anything beyond "a blunt refusal to share data," adding that the idea that Jones was part of a conspiracy to hide evidence that weakened the case for global warming was clearly wrong.

In a briefing to journalists ahead of the report's release, Willis said the controversy would ultimately help buttress the case for global warming by forcing the University of East Anglia – and other research institutions – to stop hoarding their data.

"The winner in the end will be climate science itself," he said.

The winner on Wednesday was Jones, who stepped down temporarily as chief of the climate research unit about a week after the e-mail scandal broke. The committee expressed sympathy with Jones, whom Willis said had been made a scapegoat for larger problems within the climate science community.

"The focus on Professor Jones and the CRU has been largely misplaced," the report said.

But the lawmakers did criticize the way Jones and his colleagues handled freedom of information requests, saying scientists could have saved themselves a lot of trouble by aggressively publishing all their data instead of worrying about how to stonewall their critics.

Lawmakers stressed that their report – which was written after only a single day of oral testimony – did not cover all the issues and would not be as in-depth as the two other inquiries into the e-mail scandal that are still pending.

Willis said the lawmakers had been in a rush to publish something before Britain's next national election, which is widely expected in just over a month's time.

"Clearly we would have liked to spend more time of this," he said, before adding jokingly: "We had to get something out before we were sent packing."

One of the two pending inquiries is being headed by former civil servant Muir Russell, who is looking into whether scientists, including Jones, fudged data or manipulated the peer review process. It also is examining the extent to which university followed applicable freedom of information laws. That report is due to report sometime this spring.

Geologist Ernest Oxburgh is leading a parallel investigation into the integrity of the science itself, one staffed by academics including Kerry Emanuel, a professor of meteorology at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and Huw Davies, a former president of the International Association of Meteorology & Atmospheric Science.

The committee said that climate scientists had to be much more open in future – for example by publishing all their data, including raw data and the software programs used to interpret them, to the Internet. Willis said there was far too much money at stake not to be completely transparent.

"Governments across the world are spending trillions of pounds, or trillions of dollars, on mitigating climate change. The science has got to be irreproachable," he said.

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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
02:21 PM on 04/09/2010
The widespread reporting of "climategate" as if proven, covering only the controversy and not following up on the real crimes committed **by those who fabricated the story** is not an isolated incident. It is the pattern of the corporate media, on every story that pits hidden corporate interests against dedicated, under-funded advocates of the public interest.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7755
Even as the New York Times once again misreported the ACORN "Pimp" Hoax on its pages in a report on the community organization's possible declaration of bankruptcy in Saturday's paper, their Public Editor (ombudsman) Clark Hoyt finally admits in his column tonight, for tomorrow's paper, that both he and the paper were "wrong" in their reports about rightwing dirty trickster James O'Keefe's "pimp" costume, adding that "editors say they are considering a correction."

Considering?! What exactly would be the hold up?

The paper and Hoyt, as The BRAD BLOG has been detailing for nearly two months now, were out and out wrong in their reports about O'Keefe, and what his highly-edited, heavily-overdubbed, secretly-taped videos misleadingly suggested to show, and in their failure to report exculpatory information, such as the refusal to release the unedited raw videos made by the rightwing propagandists, as well as the results of an investigation by MA's former Attorney General [PDF] finding no "pattern of illegal conduct" by ACORN employees as seen in the videos as published by the rightwing media mogul and fabulist Andrew Breitbart.
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BOYCOTT
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
12:51 PM on 04/08/2010
Given that the science *is* settled, the logical subject to discuss now is what to do about the proven fact of global warming.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/07/paul-krugman-climate-chan_n_529625.html
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
01:47 AM on 04/07/2010
Justtellthetruth: "Read the Der Spiegel article that I have provided above. They REALLY tear into them!"

Do you agree, Justtellthetruth, that the authors of that Der Spiegel article REALLY OUTRIGHT LIED when they asserted:

"Last month Landsea, together with top US hurricane researchers, published a study that finally disproves the supposed link between hurricanes and global warming"

?

(Note: Read the immediately following 4 posts of mine before answering - and do please "faithfully" answer this question - thanks.)
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
04:09 PM on 04/07/2010
{{{ ... crickets ... }}}

C'mon, Justtellthetruth - this is where the rubber hits the road. Are you really someone who, as you've repeatedly claimed here, instead of just pushing denier propaganda is "trying to separate the wheat from the chaff"? Because if so it's now time for you to step up and back up that claim.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
12:56 AM on 04/08/2010
{{{ ... crickets ... }}}

#&@%! deniers.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
02:15 AM on 04/08/2010
While we wait, some good news:
http://www.grist.org/article/wind-still-enough-to-save-the-world
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
11:02 PM on 04/06/2010
Justtellthetruth: "it was either you or Reed Young who tried to convince me not long ago that Landsea had changed his position (my apologies in advance if not)."

I can't speak for Reed, but I did not do that.

Justtellthetruth: "Again, storms wreck things and kill people and I am glad that Warming, with appears to be happening, will not make them worse."

YET ANOTHER LIE on your part, Justtellthetruth. According to Landsea global warming, while likely making storms less frequent, will also likely make them more severe, resulting in "substantial increases in the frequency of the most intense cyclones":

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/knutson-et-al-nat-geo.pdf

Did you even bother to research that link when DocSkull posted it for you here earlier today? Evidently not.

Here's part of the abstract of that Landsea-coauthored study, which was published this February in Nature:

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Tropical cyclones and climate change .
Future projections based on theory and high-resolution dynamical models consistently indicate that greenhouse warming will cause the globally averaged intensity of tropical cyclones to shift towards stronger storms, with intensity increases of 2–11% by 2100. Existing modelling studies also consistently project decreases in the globally averaged frequency of tropical cyclones, by 6–34%. Balanced against this, higher resolution modelling studies typically project substantial increases in the frequency of the most intense cyclones, and increases of the order of 20% in the precipitation rate within 100 km of the storm centre.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
11:08 PM on 04/06/2010
Justtellthetruth: "Trenbreth and landsea now agree that warming will not have a significant effect on the severity of storms."

Lie - see above.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
11:56 PM on 04/06/2010
By the way, I know Justtellthetruth that you got that FALSE belief from that Der Spiegel article, which in part reported:

"Last month Landsea, together with top US hurricane researchers, published a study that finally disproves the supposed link between hurricanes and global warming. The study concludes with the assessment that "tropical cyclone frequency is likely to either decrease or remain essentially the same." "

The Der Spiegel article doesn't cite the study it is referring to, but as it was published on April 1st and said it was published "last month" the study they are referring could (as opposed to "would") be the one I quoted from above - but that study DOES NOT contain the quote Der Spiegel reported. To the contrary, that Landsea-coauthored study in fact says and concludes the OPPOSITE of what Der Spiegel reported.

Which begs the following questions:

* Where did Der Spiegel get that quote - a quote that directly contradicts the study that Landsea-coauthored?

* And why didn't Der Spiegel report, correctly, that "Last month Landsea, together with top US hurricane researchers, published a study that asserts a link between hurricanes and global warming"?

* And what does this tell you, Justtellthetruth, about the reliability and balance of that Der Spiegel article?

* And why didn't you, Justtellthetruth, even bother to click on the link that DocSkull provided to you that demonstrated that the Der Spiegel article was lying (outright or by omission) with respect to what Landsea actually said and published?
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
01:05 AM on 04/07/2010
Mystery solved - that Der Spiegel quote IS from the Landsea-coauthored study cited above (my initial search didn't take into account the line-break).

Here that quote is in its larger context:

"Improvements have encouraged us to raise our confidence
levels concerning several aspects of cyclone-activity projections.
These include our assessment that tropical cyclone frequency is
likely to either decrease or remain essentially the same. Despite this
lack of an increase in total storm count, we project that a future
increase in the globally averaged frequency of the strongest tropical
cyclones is more likely than not — a higher confidence level than
possible at our previous assessment."

Which is to say, the Der Spiegel article lied by omission when it cherry-picked the frequency quote but omitted the immediately-following "Despite this ... we project that a future increase in the globally averaged frequency of the strongest tropical cyclones is more likely than not."

Moreover, the authors of that Der Spiegel article explicitly and OUTRIGHT LIED when they asserted:

"Last month Landsea, together with top US hurricane researchers, published a study that finally disproves the supposed link between hurricanes and global warming."

To the contrary, that Landsea study SUPPORTS that "supposed" link between hurricanes and global warming.

I know it probably shouldn't at this point, but the audacity of global warming deniers can still amaze me. It's also sad how many gullible people get taken in by global warming denier lies.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
02:22 PM on 04/07/2010
I have to add a comment here:
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Justtellthetruth: "Again, storms wreck things and kill people and I am glad that Warming, with appears to be happening, will not make them worse."

YET ANOTHER LIE on your part, Justtellthetruth. According to Landsea global warming, while likely making storms less frequent, will also likely make them more severe, resulting in "substantial increases in the frequency of the most intense cyclones":

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Landsea/knutson-et-al-nat-geo.pdf
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Not that there would be anything wrong with changing his mind if presented with new evidence that contradicted his previous hypotheses. The important thing here is not whether Landsea's position has changed, it is whether Landsea currently believes that there is **no** connection between tropical storms and global warming (not what Landsea has published) or whether Landsea believes the proven fact that global warming does correlate to decreased frequency of tropical storms generally, but to increase in number of very severe storms **and** and increase in the severity of those.

Those are the facts that the best scientists in the field have discovered. My opinion is that this finding includes no "good news" portion whatsoever, because the weak storms which are decreasing in frequency are mainly an inconvenience, and only a danger to anybody stupid enough to try to go sailing, or continue fishing, etc. during a "small" hurricane. It's the big ones that are happening more, and worse.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
02:27 PM on 04/07/2010
And rationally, that is the primary finding on which the public and policy makers should focus. Don't get distracted. Don't necessarily focus on what scientists find most interesting, because the primary goal of the profession is to increase the precision of their models -- even if they're already at 95% certainty! I do not support waiting for "absolute certainty" because literally, that means waiting until after the fact.

Yes, it does. Do the math.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
04:25 PM on 04/07/2010
ReedYoung: "My opinion is that this finding includes no "good news" portion whatsoever, because the weak storms which are decreasing in frequency are mainly an inconvenience, and only a danger to anybody stupid enough to try to go sailing, or continue fishing, etc. during a "small" hurricane."

Agreed.

ReedYoung: "I do not support waiting for "absolute certainty" because literally, that means waiting until after the fact."

You're right, you know.

To wait for "absolute certainty" here is as absurd as waiting for "absolute certainty" that terrorists will strike us again before taking substantive measures to address that threat - which even wingnuts understand the absurdity of.
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bluestems
07:56 PM on 04/06/2010
For those wanting to deny AGW, Anthropogenic (man-made) Global Warming, you have two challenges:

1. Disprove the Greenhouse Theory. Show exactly how a 35% increase in CO2 does not enhance the greenhouse effect.

2. Show what natural forcing is creating the observed warming. If its true this is just a natural cycle, then where is the data and research supporting this hypothesis?

It is a FACT that no scientist or otherwise has been able to do this. Further, if you look at those deniers' funding sources, you'll find oil and energy companies backing them. Hence why these 'scientists' are publishing to the mainstream public, and not in peer review journals. Their intent is to confuse people into thinkiing there is a controversy, when there is no real science behind it.

A good source for rebuttals to common denier's arguments can be found here:

http://scienceblogs.com/illconsidered/2008/07/how_to_talk_to_a_sceptic.php

For those arm-chair climateologists... you can get into details at:

www.realclimate.org
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
05:50 PM on 04/06/2010
@justtell

Sources closer to the original are generally considered more authoritative by academics, including scientists, and since we are having a dispute on the basic facts and the originals are available to us both, I consider those originals the best means by which to resolve our dispute.

"Read the Der Spiegel article that I have provided above. They REALLY tear into them! but, you know, NPR, the BBC, Der Spiegel, the Guardian, they are really just the "mainstream" media trying to carry that corporate water, huh?"

The press is not generally considered hearsay, and other than Der Spiegel, which I don't know, I consider those respectable enough. But they are not as good as the original source. They simply cannot be by their nature because something must always get lost in the act of summarizing.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
06:10 PM on 04/06/2010
Related to that, and of course, reporters have varying levels of competence and scientific expertise as well as varying biases with respect to this very complex and politically-charged issue, even within individual media organizations. As such articles need to be read with those caveats in mind -- even the most reputable newspapers and lay-magazines aren't a gold standard, far from it, and articles need to be assessed individually for their reliability and balance.

And I don't know about you, "Justtellthetruth", but in my view characterizing Roger Pielke Jr. as a "hurricane expert" when Peike doesn't even hold a science degree while moreover also not mentioning the fact that Pielke is a prominent global warming "skeptic" does not constitute reliable and balanced reporting.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
05:24 PM on 04/06/2010
@Justtell

You have overstated the MPs' statements on the matter. (It goes without saying, when one expresses an opinion, that the opinion one expresses is one's own.)

"You know very well I have been over this a thousand times with you and cut and paste the actual findings of the MPs FROM their original document many times already."

Uh, not quite a thousand, to be truthful. /snark

Now, to the substance of that unresolved disagreement, I have stated my case that the MPs' "solution" makes the raw materials of science (data) more available to people whose only *demonstrated* effect on science so far, and apparently to me, people whose only motive is to *diminish* the quality of climate science.

If you have a substantive rebuttal to that statement, or that the FOI requests which are the presumed excuse for the *criminal* act of data theft, were all or mostly frivolous, abusive, intentional attempts to waste the time of CRU scientists, please present it.

Or if you cannot dazzle me with brilliance, just go ahead and continue to try to baffle me with billshut.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
05:11 PM on 04/06/2010
Me: "That Der Spiegel article is littered with misleading rhetoric as well. To cite one example from the passage you quoted here, Roger Pielke, Jr. is characterized as a "hurricane expert" when in fact Peike doesn't even hold a science degree. His PhD is instead in political science - funny how the article makes no mention of that fact. Pielke's moreover a prominent global warming "skeptic" - another fact that the article doesn't tell the reader."

Justtellthetruth responds: "The truth is: Pielke was awarded a B.A. in mathematics at Towson State College in 1968, and then an M.S. and Ph.D. in meteorology at Pennsylvania State University in 1969 and 1973, respectively...."

Wrong AGAIN, Justtellthetruth - you've confused Pielke Jr with his father, who unlike Jr actually does have a science degree. The REAL truth with respect to "Roger Pielke, JR is:

Pielke earned a B.A. in mathematics (1990), a M.A. in public policy (1992), and a Ph.D. in political science, all from the University of Colorado at Boulder.

Justtellthetruth: "Now THAT'S a lie."

I love irony.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
05:10 PM on 04/06/2010
"Jr and Sr. Who Knew? My apologies."

People who are well-versed enough on the subject to make the statements some of us have made, with the certitude that you and I have both stated our beliefs. The difference between us, "justtell," is that I know what I'm talking about *before* I speak, or, when necessary, I admit my uncertainty.

As for "apologies," it's Publicola whom you just falsely accused of lying.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
05:20 PM on 04/06/2010
ReedYoung: "The difference between us, "justtell," is that I know what I'm talking about *before* I speak, or, when necessary, I admit my uncertainty."

He's right, you know. Moreover as Pielke Sr. and Pielke Jr. are amongst the most quoted global warming "skeptics," those of us who are well-versed on this subject are quite familiar with Pielke Sr. and Pielke Jr. and know the difference between them.

ReedYoung: "As for "apologies," it's Publicola whom you just falsely accused of lying."

Reed's again right, you know. But no worries - I'm not holding my breath for an apology from someone who habitually tells lies.
08:52 PM on 04/06/2010
My apologies. I didn't mean to run out just when I stepped in it, but duty called.

However, They both sound reasonably (Sr, extremely) knowledgeable in the field, both have apparently published in peer reviewed journals, and they share common ground with you.

However, they appear to draw some different conclusions.

I, not being a climate scientist, might seem an easy target to castigate, brand a liar, insult, and generally do everything you can think of within the constraints of this forum to discredit when I disagree with what appear to be your VERY closely held beliefs, many of which, as I have tried to impress upon you and Reed, I don't have a problem with.

But when you decide people like this have nothing relevant to say on the subject because they come to comclusions that don't match yours, you feed the sort idea of global warming as religion that is developing out there right now.

The fact is, that what Pielke is saying is in fact exactly in line with Landseas views, and Trenbreth and landsea now agree that warming will not have a significant effect on the severity of storms.

Now, it was either you or Reed Young who tried to convince me not long ago that Landsea had changed his position (my apologies in advance if not). He has not. Is this bad? No. Again, storms wreck things and kill people and I am glad that Warming, with appears to be happening, will not makethemworse.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
10:45 PM on 04/06/2010
Justtellthetruth: "My apologies."

Accepted.

Justtellthetruth: "I, not being a climate scientist, might seem an easy target to castigate, brand a liar, insult, and generally do everything you can think of within the constraints of this forum to discredit when I disagree with what appear to be your VERY closely held beliefs"

Your wording here is yet ANOTHER DECEPTION on your part. I characterize as you as misleading, lying and/or otherwise not telling the truth is when you mislead, lie and/or otherwise not tell the truth, "Justtellthetruth," not merely because you make statements that I don't agree with. And I do not believe that it is simply coincidence that your ongoing stream of misleading rhetoric, lies and hyperbole all have all been biased in one direction - the global warming denier direction.

Justtellthetruth: "But when you decide people like this have nothing relevant to say on the subject because they come to comclusions that don't match yours, you feed the sort idea of global warming as religion that is developing out there right now."

Agreed, but I'm NOT doing that -- and your misleading implication here that I have been is yet ANOTHER DECEPTION on your part.

I don't have room to fully address your Landsea comments in this post. I'll address those comments - which contain yet ANOTHER DECEPTION on your part - above.
04:50 PM on 04/06/2010
Also from der speigel (these are all from der spiegel, the MSM (of the far left?)

Open Questions

Scientists fear that without an open, honest process, they will no longer find a sympathetic ear. This process could mean that much of what has long been considered established knowledge will come under review once again, specifically, five elementary questions on the future of the climate:

* By how many degrees has the Earth's temperature already increased, and how much further will temperatures rise?
* How high will sea levels rise in a greenhouse climate?
* Can we expect to see storms of unprecedented strength in the future?
* Which parts of the world will experience more droughts, and where will there be more flooding?
* Will the situation on the planet truly spin out of control if the average global temperature increases by more than two degrees Celsius?

Anyone who speaks with leading climatologists today will discover how many questions remain open. The media, politicians and even scientists often talk about changes to the weather with a certainty that does not in fact exist.
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
05:02 PM on 04/06/2010
Science is currently conducted in an "open, honest process" and your five questions already have answers in many places, but are summarized in the IPCC reports. The facts are largely settled, what remains is what to do about them.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
05:07 PM on 04/06/2010
Now you plainly ARE attempting to undermine the scientific consensus that global warming is a proven fact.
http://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
04:21 PM on 04/06/2010
Justtellthetruth: "After all of your careful, useless analysis of the difference between would and could,"

In your case that analysis seems to have fallen on deaf ears - no surprise there.

Justtellthetruth: "whom do you suppose would ever be dim enough to be taken in by my very clever, subtle "fabrication" "

Most people don't read this stuff closely, and could thus be confused by your deceptively misleading replacement of a scientist saying that summer arctic ice "could" be mostly gone by 2030 with "would." I'm just setting the record straight by telling the truth, "Justtellthetruth".

Justtellthetruth: "Or maybe you would have to be really dim to assume that such a thing could ever be considered intentionally misleading in the first place?"

Yeah, I'm sure it's just a coincidence that your rhetoric is littered with misleading statements and outright lies that are always biased in one direction - towards global warming denalism.
04:45 PM on 04/06/2010
Publicola said:

"Roger Pielke, Jr. is characterized as a "hurricane expert" when in fact Peike doesn't even hold a science degree. His PhD is instead in political science"

The truth is;

Pielke was awarded a B.A. in mathematics at Towson State College in 1968, and then an M.S. and Ph.D. in meteorology at Pennsylvania State University in 1969 and 1973, respectively.

From 1971-1974 he worked as a research scientist at the NOAA Experimental Meteorology Lab, from 1974-1981 he was an associate professor at the University of Virginia, served the primary academic position of his career as a professor at Colorado State University from 1981-2006, was deputy of CIRA at Colorado State University from 1985-1988, from 1999-2006 was Colorado State Climatologist, at Duke University was a research professor from 2003-2006, and was a visiting professor at the University of Arizona from October-December 2004. Since 2005, Piekle has served as Senior Research Scientist at the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences (CIRES) at UC-Boulder and an emeritus professor of the Department of Atmospheric Science at Colorado State University. He retired from CSU and in post-retirement is a CIRES researcher.

Now THAT'S a lie.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
04:52 PM on 04/06/2010
Wrong Pielke, liar!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_A._Pielke,_Jr.
Pielke earned a B.A. in mathematics (1990), a M.A. in public policy (1992), and a Ph.D. in political science, all from the University of Colorado at Boulder. Prior to his positions at CU-Boulder, from 1993 to 2001 he was a staff scientist [2] in the Environmental and Societal Impacts Group of the National Center for Atmospheric Research. From 2002 to 2004 Pielke was Director of Graduate Studies for the CU-Boulder Graduate Program in Environmental Studies and in 2001 students selected him for the Outstanding Graduate Advisor Award. Pielke serves on numerous editorial boards and advisory committees, retains many professional affiliations, and sat on the Board of Directors of WeatherData, Inc. from 2001 to 2006.

YOU named Jr. as the author, justtell. Pielke Sr. has some education in meteorology, not Pielke Jr. By accusing Publicola of lying, you escalated your own error and made a liar of yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_A._Pielke
Roger A. Pielke, Sr. (born October 22, 1946) is a meteorologist with interests in climate variability and climate change, environmental vulnerability, numerical modeling, atmospheric dynamics, land/ocean - atmosphere interactions, and large eddy/turbulent boundary layer modeling. He particularly focuses on mesoscale weather and climate processes but also investigates on the global, regional, and microscale. Pielke is an ISI Highly Cited Researcher.[1]

You have nobody to blame for this but yourself.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
07:27 PM on 04/06/2010
Justtellthetruth: "Now THAT'S a lie."

Damn, "Justtellthetruth" - you broke my irony meter with THAT lie.
03:58 PM on 04/06/2010
More later. Fun chatting with (lying to) you guys (my betters).
03:55 PM on 04/06/2010
Is sloppy? could have been sloppy. Would? "Better" than Publicola, but not Reed Young?

Sloppy Work

Since then, the IPCC has experienced a dramatic fall from grace. Less than three years after this triumph, more and more mistakes, evidence of sloppy work and exaggerations in the current IPCC report are appearing. They include Jones' disputed temperature curve, the prediction that all Himalayan glaciers would disappear by 2035 -- which was the result of a simple transposition of numbers -- and the supposed increase in natural disasters, for which no source was given.

In mid-March, UN Secretary General Ban Ki Moon slammed on the brakes and appointed a watchdog for the IPCC. The InterAcademy Council, a coalition of 15 national academies of science, will review the work of the IPCC by this fall.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
04:31 PM on 04/06/2010
Clearly copied and pasted, but from whence?
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
05:15 PM on 04/06/2010
He is boorishly cut and pasting from the blog he's already linked several times.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
04:57 PM on 04/06/2010
About that incorrect Himalayan glacier prediction:

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The actual work of the IPCC is done by unpaid volunteers – thousands of scientists at universities and research institutes around the world... The three working groups are:

Working Group 1 (WG1), which deals with the physical climate science basis, as assessed by the climatologists...

Working Group 2 (WG2), which deals with impacts of climate change on society and ecosystems, as assessed by social scientists, ecologists, etc...

Himalayan glaciers: In a regional chapter on Asia in Volume 2, written by authors from the region, it was erroneously stated that 80% of Himalayan glacier area would very likely be gone by 2035. This is of course not the proper IPCC projection of future glacier decline, which is found in Volume 1 of the report. There we find a 45-page, perfectly valid chapter on glaciers, snow and ice (Chapter 4), with the authors including leading glacier experts... There are also several pages on future glacier decline in Chapter 10... where the proper projections are used... So the problem here is not that the IPCC’s glacier experts made an incorrect prediction. The problem is that a WG2 chapter, instead of relying on the proper IPCC projections from their WG1 colleagues, cited an unreliable outside source in one place. Fixing this error involves deleting two sentences on page 493 of the WG2 report.

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http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2010/02/ipcc-errors-facts-and-spin/
03:53 PM on 04/06/2010
Lies? Would? Could? Betters? not Better? Reed? Publicola?

There is already a consensus today that deep-seated reforms are needed at the IPCC. The selection of its authors and reviewers was not sufficiently nonpartisan, there was not enough communication among the working groups, and there were no mechanisms on how to handle errors.

Offering the Skeptics an 'Unprotected Flank'

Also at issue is the position of IPCC Chairman Rajendra Pachauri, who is praised as a "leading global thinker" in his official biography. A railroad engineer by trade, Pachauri wrote an erotic novel and recommended that people reduce their meat consumption while traveling around the world to save the climate. He has cut a miserable figure during the current crisis. The climate guru summarily dismissed justified objections to the IPCC report as "voodoo science."

Germany's Leibniz Association, an umbrella group which includes several climate research institutions as its members, is the first professional organization to call for Pachauri's resignation. Leibniz President Ernst Rietschel believes that climate research is now "in a difficult situation" because the skeptics have been "offered an unprotected flank." Rietschel told SPIEGEL: "Rajendra Pachauri should take the responsibility for this and should resign."
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
04:36 PM on 04/06/2010
"There is already a consensus today that deep-seated reforms are needed at the IPCC."

Please quantify and cite the source of your information.

The consensus among 97.5% of climate scientists is a matter of record.
http://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm

Your claim of "consensus today that deep-seated reforms are needed at the IPCC" is an assertion without evidence. And to the extent that laymen in the general populace have such a belief, as I have shown you, such belief is rooted in inaccurate reporting, just stenography in the guise of journalism, really.
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
05:14 PM on 04/06/2010
"The selection of its authors and reviewers was not sufficiently nonpartisan, there was not enough communication among the working groups, and there were no mechanisms on how to handle errors."

There is no partisanship in the IPCC committees. If you mean that there weren't enough deniers, you had better make more and they have to continue to participate. No one was or will be removed from the IPCC for being a denier. The probably will be corrected, often and loudly.

One could always have more communication between working groups, I guess. What went wrong because of a lack of communication?

There are many mechanisms for handling errors. Reviewers comment on every word in the document. Those comments numbered in the thousands, and if their merit is recognized they are included.

Of course, all this nit-picking doesn't do anything to change the fact that the globe is being warmed by our production of CO2 and we should do something about it.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
05:29 PM on 04/06/2010
What would you bet that even the IPCC is biased against the science, meaning more than 2.5% of contributors are science deniers? I'd bet the Koch estate.
http://skepticalscience.com/global-warming-scientific-consensus.htm
03:49 PM on 04/06/2010
Publicola, Would, Could? Reed Young, Better than us all,?

'Clearly a Political Goal'

Rarely has a scientific idea had such a strong impact on world politics. Most countries have now recognized the two-degree target. If the two-degree limit were exceeded, German Environment Minister Norbert Röttgen announced ahead of the failed Copenhagen summit, "life on our planet, as we know it today, would no longer be possible."

But this is scientific nonsense. "Two degrees is not a magical limit -- it's clearly a political goal," says Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK). "The world will not come to an end right away in the event of stronger warming, nor are we definitely saved if warming is not as significant. The reality, of course, is much more complicated."

Schellnhuber ought to know. He is the father of the two-degree target.

"Yes, I plead guilty," he says, smiling. The idea didn't hurt his career. In fact, it made him Germany's most influential climatologist. Schellnhuber, a theoretical physicist, became Chancellor Angela Merkel's chief scientific adviser -- a position any researcher would envy.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
04:37 PM on 04/06/2010
"If the two-degree limit were exceeded, German Environment Minister Norbert Röttgen announced ahead of the ***failed*** Copenhagen summit ..."

First rule of objective reporting: avoid adjectives at all costs, because their very purpose in language is to express an opinion.