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Deficit Group Formed By Barney Frank Looks Where Others Dare Not -- At Defense Budget

First Posted: 06/23/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:15 PM ET

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Concerned that President Obama's deficit-reduction commission is going to look in the wrong places for budget cuts, Barney Frank has appointed his own bipartisan commission.

This one will specifically look at ways to reduce the bloated military budget.

Defense cuts seems to be politically off-limits these days, but the group convened by the outspoken liberal congressman from Massachusetts shares a belief that America is "overextended and overcommitted" and that there should be a "substantial reduction in the reach of American military commitments," Frank told HuffPost.

He expects the group to propose reducing the number of overseas bases, especially in the rich countries of Western Europe and Japan. "There's a big debate right now about where 3,000 Marines in Okinawa should go. My suggestion is Nebraska," he said.

And he expects it will propose cutting weapons systems that don't meet any plausible need.. "No matter how good a weapon is technically, we shouldn't buy it unless it has an enemy," he said.

Frank despairs that the deficit-reduction debate plays out in Washington as if there are only two choices: raise taxes or cut entitlements, such as Social Security and Medicare.

Even President Obama's proposed freeze on discretionary spending explicitly rules out any defense cuts, which Frank describes as "my biggest difference" with the president since he came into office.

The group has met twice already, and expects to complete its recommendations shortly. Once that happens, Frank said, "what we are going to do is tell the deficit reduction commission that they have to include substantial reductions in military spending if they want our support."

Frank said he imagines many politicians avoid the topic for fear of being assailed as weak on terror. But, he said, "I don't think any terrorist has ever been shot by a nuclear submarine."

There's also some skittishness because our troops are currently in harm's way. "Once American troops are in the field, it becomes a tougher issue for a lot of people," he acknowledged. As a result, cutting spending for Afghanistan, at least for now, is not on his group's agenda.

But spending has increased completely out of proportion with the need, he said. "During the Cold War, 26 percent of military spending in the world was American; now it's 41 percent. So we have fewer enemies and we're spending more money."

The key to defense budget cutting, Frank said, is to attack the notion that the U.S. military needs to be everywhere in the world militarily. "If you let them insist that there is a need for worldwide military engagement, we will be at a disadvantage when we fight the specific fights" to cut programs, he said.

Once you drop that notion, he said, "I believe we would save over $100 billion a year over what's been proposed."

The F-35 fighter program alone may end up costing $338 billion or more. And according to author Chalmers Johnson, the U.S. military currently spends as much as $250 billion a year maintaining approximately 865 facilities in more than 40 countries and overseas U.S. territories.

Frank is particularly critical of the proposed missile defense shield in Eastern Europe -- a Bush idea that Obama has adopted. "Defending Poland, the Czech Republic and I think it's Bulgaria against Iranian missile attack? I think what happened is the software from a video game escaped" and got into the Pentagon's computers, he said.

Task force member Charles Knight, who is co-director of the Project on Defense Alternatives at the Commonwealth Institute, told HuffPost that the group is making good progress.

"We all agree that the defense budget has objectively grown enormously in the last decade and there's lot of room in which it could be reduced. And there's also reforms to the practices that could yield savings," Knight said.

"We think there are real reasons for [Obama's] Commission on Fiscal Responsibility to be taking a close look at the DOD budget."

Here are the members of Frank's "Sustainable Defense Task Force" and their affiliations, for identification purposes.

  • Carl Conetta, Co-Director, Project on Defense Alternatives (Commonwealth Institute)
  • Benjamin Friedman, Cato Institute
  • William Hartung, New America Foundation
  • Chris Hellman, National Priorities Project
  • Heather Hurlburt, National Security Network
  • John Issacs, Executive Director, Council for a Livable World
  • Charles Knight, Co-Director, Project on Defense Alternatives (Commonwealth Institute)
  • Larry Korb, Center for American Progress
  • Paul Martin, PeaceAction
  • Laicie Olsen, Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation
  • Prasannan Parthasarathi, Boston College
  • Miriam Pemberton, Foreign Policy in Focus, Institute for Policy Studies
  • Laura Peterson, Taxpayers for Common Sense
  • Christopher Preble, Director of Foreign Policy Studies, Cato Institute
  • Winslow Wheeler, Center for Defense Information


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Concerned that President Obama's deficit-reduction commission is going to look in the wrong places for budget cuts, Barney Frank has appointed his own bipartisan commission. This one will specificall...
Concerned that President Obama's deficit-reduction commission is going to look in the wrong places for budget cuts, Barney Frank has appointed his own bipartisan commission. This one will specificall...
 
 
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10:55 PM on 06/11/2010
Barney Frank - The Congressman post 9/11 said that no one would ever attack America, was his justification to reduce the military then. Todays standing is that he has no credibility in Military matters.

Walter Jones - Is a Rep. for NC in a USN strong hold.- an area suggested by the Military to relocate some of that workload to Florida for "threat reduction". Reductions in the Military would ensure that his area is saved from any further moves requested. So reducing the troops instead of relocation benefits only him.

Ridding themselves of the Joint Strike Fighter and the Air Refueler would ensure that the Military could not get adequate control of its inventory. A single aircraft used by all services would increase the buying power of the Defense Logistics Agency and reduce the amount of procured wasted that mulit aircraft multi parts procurement produces.

Older aircraft would require more people to work on and have a higher more expensive procurement need.

I am sure to the personal benefit to each of their districts or lobbyest groups and small businesses. It is not lucrative for many business' to see the Military streamlined as it is desired by the military.

The comment of the Navy not wanting the Joint Strike Fighter, I can only say that, who said it who is retiring and who wants an new job in the civilian sector, should be looked at as historically someone benefits personally by those sort of statements.
11:57 PM on 05/13/2010
This grand effort on the part of Chairperson Frank is at one time both hearting and amusing. It is amusing because in his role in the House of Representative Barney Frank is probably the Congress Person with the single greatest personal responsibility for the ½ Trillion Dollars that it looks like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are going to lose for America. As long ago as 1993 Alan Greenspan (got something’s correct) warned the Congressional Committee on which Frank was a key player, that Fannie and Freddie were a significant danger to the fiscal well being of the country. Frank rejected those warnings as the product of Greenspan’s right wing ideology; saying “I see no problem here”.

Hearting because now Frank is looking to carve the loses out of the Defense budget; in the US Congress today’s wastrel can become tomorrows economizer. Barney Frank is now trying to save us money, this is irony on a grand scale.

This time he might be able to eleminate waiste and bloat; afterall he's had a lot of time watching and particpating in the past.
09:29 AM on 05/06/2010
Barney, change Pentagon contracting habits. They let a contract to defense contractors, then pull up a chair and start adding bells and whistles, it's called "cost overruns".

Second, stop the incessant earmarks congress uses to fund their campaigns. Most anybody can throw up a metal bldg., say they have something the military needs and walla....they find a congressman who thinks so too. Read their campaign contributions.

Third, cut the number of pentagon "stripes and stars" working there, and their staffs. You need to cut more than you think buddie, so get out your red pen if you are serious.
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Melinda Gopher
A Progressive for an American Spring
12:37 AM on 05/06/2010
I applaud his courage but I agree with Arianna when VP Biden should have made a moral stand against the war and resigned....that would have been good.

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=69439
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DXM
An extreme moderate
04:53 PM on 04/29/2010
"I believe we would save over $100 billion a year over what's been proposed."

That's chicken feed. We can cut three times that and still have the most formidable military force on the planet. If we're going to balance the Federal budget, we need to include deep cuts in out-of-control DoD spending and tax increases (not to mention the elimination of corporate welfare in general) in addition to the GOP's favorite target of our strained social safety net.
04:04 PM on 04/26/2010
oh no! I'm from the Netherlands.. and thought the silly US of A would always keep covering my ass. So that we can save on our defense, and preach peace to the world.

Obama already helped Irak get back on its feet by stating the US army will leave. Trying to do the same in Afghanistan. Now Barney Frank wants him to do the same to all the peace-loving Europeans, forcing them to plan & invest in their own defense?!

What is worse: I'm afraid those tea-party people might agree with Frank, especially on those military bases in the EU and Japan.

.. but ok, go ahead. Fair is fair.
It might be good for us Europeans (and Japanese) to hold up our own pants, even within the context of NATO.
03:55 AM on 04/26/2010
Cut the Pentagon's budget by 2/3 and we still have the biggest/baddest military in the world.

Extra reading in case anyone is interested....
The Trillion-Dollar Defense Budget Is Already Here
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=1941
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57basque
Mondragon Co-op or bust
02:08 AM on 04/25/2010
Glad to see someone down there in DC thinking about cutting the sacred cow of GUNS AND BOMBS.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mX93wRKpfg

Bring all of the Troops Home and close all over seas bases.
02:56 PM on 04/24/2010
I know this isn't completely on topic, but, as a younger person who was alive for, but does not remember Ronald Reagan's presidency, can anyone tell me why he is held in such high esteem by conservatives when under his administration the national debt soared to unseen levels? Responses from conservatives welcome, just don't disregard facts, you can easily look this up.
04:18 PM on 04/24/2010
A: Because right wingers are f'ed in the head.
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10:28 PM on 04/24/2010
I am certainly not a conservative but I feel compelled to answer your question. RR is held in such high esteem by conservatives because he and his Wall St. handlers laid the foundation which brought about the destruction of the middle class. He introduced the corporate mindset that proclaimed greed as our greatest virtue. By demonizing words like "union", "government", and "welfare" he was able to turn one middle class demographic against the other. Using his second rate acting abilities he could turn on the "charisma" and really make you believe he was on your side. The vitriol, divisiveness and outright hatred that plagues us to this day can be traced back to the Reagan administration. Through him the corporate elite used the divide and conquer method which allows them to rule over middle class and working people with an iron fist which is a utopian existence to any conservative.
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Tierce
We need less government! That empowers the ppl!
02:21 PM on 04/24/2010
Go Barney !
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AndyWright68
Freedom is inevitable!
02:15 PM on 04/24/2010
Bring home ALL the troops from ALL the bases from around the world. It will save billions and the rest of the world will stop hating us so much. We will be much safer.

Abolish the Income Tax and IRS. A consumption tax will bring in MORE money and prices for goods would only do up 1%.

Close down ALL the useless and expensive government agencies and most of the federal departments of this and that.

Reduce the costs of these politicians. They don't need to be making laws constantly or collecting millions each in pay, benefits, perks and pensions. It's a part-time job. They need to go get full-time jobs elsewhere with benefits. Hell, nearly all of them are wealthy. They don't need no stinking benefits or perks on the taxpayers dime.

END THE FED and return to sound money.

STOP SPENDING!

Do all of that and we will have surpluses by 2012
01:38 PM on 04/24/2010
Don't you dumb libs know all wars are free?
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Jordan Baldi
Technocrat
01:27 PM on 04/24/2010
The next major attack will be launched through the internet; I guess those 3,000 marines will be dispatched to all the cyber cafes in Okinawa to perform pat downs of all teenagers coming in with thumb drives. ;-)
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Quinterius
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01:18 PM on 04/24/2010
The missile system in Europe is totally useless. We have more than 700 bases around the world. Why is it necessary to give $3 Billion military aid to Israel every year? What is the purpose of keeping troops in Europe? Also, stop threatening Iran and you can get rid of a couple of aircraft carriers easily.
01:01 PM on 04/24/2010
The U.S. has 11 aircraft carrier battle groups. I would feel snugly protected with 5.