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Obama Deficit Commission Weighs Politically Toxic Fixes

ANDREW TAYLOR   04/27/10 06:27 PM ET   AP

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President Barack Obama shakes hands with National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform co-chair Alan Simpson, right, as fellow co-chair Erskine Bowles looks on at center.

WASHINGTON — The co-chairman of President Barack Obama's deficit reduction commission said Tuesday that Obama would endorse its findings, including politically toxic tax increases and painful cuts to retirement benefits that the president was unwilling to propose on his own.

But even as Obama urged the 18-member bipartisan panel to keep open all of its options to fight "exploding deficits," forces on the right and left were urging just the opposite.

In opening-day testimony before the commission, panel members were amply warned that failure to reduce the deficit could lead to higher interest rates, harm the economy and ultimately erode Americans' standard of living.

"The path forward contains many difficult trade-offs and choices, but postponing those choices and failing to put the nation's finances on a sustainable long-run trajectory would ultimately do great damage to our economy," Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke said.

As Bernanke testified, the stock market began a precipitous dive as Standard & Poor's downgraded the debt of Greece, which is caught in a debt crisis, to junk bond status.

Obama urged panel members to rise above Washington's bitter partisan atmosphere.

"There are few issues on which there is more vigorous bipartisan agreement than fiscal responsibility," Obama said, flanked by Erskine Bowles and former Sen. Alan Simpson, R-Wyo., the two men he asked to lead efforts to reach a consensus plan for the deficit. "But in practice, this responsibility for the future is often overwhelmed by the politics of the moment."

Obama explicitly told reporters in the White House's Rose Garden that neither he nor commission members would say what deficit-closing options remain viable.

"We're not playing that game. I'm not going to say what's in. I'm not going to say what's out. I want this commission to be free to do its work," the president said.

It's a task, though, that won't be easy: produce a deficit no bigger than $550 billion by 2015, an amount equal to about 3 percent of the total U.S. economy. That would require deficit savings in the range of $250 billion or more.

"Spending cuts will have to affect programs we all care about and benefit from and revenue increases will have to come from a wide swath of Americans," Urban Institute President Robert Reischauer said. "In other words, raising taxes on the rich or corporations, closing tax loopholes, eliminating wasteful or low-priority programs and prohibiting earmarks simply won't be enough."

Bernanke made his most urgent call yet to get the government's fiscal house in order. Failing to curb deficits – $1.4 trillion last year – would push interest rates higher, not only for Americans buying cars, homes and other things but also for the government to service its debt payments, he said.

White House budget chief Peter Orszag told the commission: "Substantial deficits projected far into the future could cause the market to rapidly lose confidence in the government's creditworthiness, producing a spike in interest rates and fundamentally disrupting economic activity more broadly."

Bowles, a former chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, said the key to a successful result would be for panel members to establish trust and put politics aside. Obama will endorse its findings it the required 14 members can agree, Bowles said.

"He has insisted every time he's talked to Al and me that everything is on the table, that he will support the conclusions of this committee, if we have the courage to make the recommendations," Bowles said.

But the options for curbing the deficit – cutting spending on popular entitlement programs and broad-based tax increases – are so politically toxic that the only way Obama and his Democratic allies controlling Congress are willing to take them on during this midterm election year is through the commission.

The powerful seniors' lobby AARP issued a news release warning it to "Take Social Security Off the Table for Deficit Reduction."

AARP Chief Executive Officer A. Barry Rand warned the panel that it must make sure "that efforts to rein in the deficit do not harm Social Security and Medicare benefits and thus jeopardize the retirement and health security of today and tomorrow's retirees."

On the other side of the spectrum, several House Republicans urged the panel to swear off tax increases.

"The commission's first act should be to take tax increases off the table," said Rep. Patrick McHenry, R-N.C.

"Conservatives on this commission need to open their minds to the safety net in our country and the troubling plight of many working Americans," said panel member Dick Durbin, D-Ill., the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate. "And the bleeding-heart liberals on this commission have to open their mind to what it takes to inspire competition and economic growth in our economy and make real sacrifices to strengthen our nation."

The deficit has turned alarmingly worse since the recession that started at the end of 2007. Many projections show its size never dipping below 4 percent of the economy over the next decade. Deficits of that magnitude are unsustainable, economists say. They would put upward pressure on interest rates, crowd out private investment and ultimately erode living standards.

The quickly growing national debt – the accumulation of years of annual budget deficits – today stands at a staggering $12.88 trillion and the Congressional Budget Office expects the nation to add another $1 trillion a year for another decade. The federal government itself holds a large portion of this debt, some $4.5 trillion, with much of it sitting in the Social Security Trust Fund.

The remaining $8.5 trillion is held by worldwide investors in the form of Treasury bills and bonds. China is the largest single holder of these securities.

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ThatsTheTheWayItIs 08:23 AM on 04/27/2010
Do the 2015 numbers include the Bush tax cuts, or not?
The article doesn't say: a major, major omission.
Without that information, the article is essentially useless, just look at the posts.

My guess: the 2015 figures already include repealing the Bush tax cuts, except for people making under $250K a year. The 2015 budget comes from the Obama administration, and they have said they  Read More...
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TruelyFedUp
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01:45 PM on 05/12/2010
Former spy tells all, keep blogging and exposing, pursue Treason charges http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGvhK0Pnh-U
theprogressiveanalyst
Ignorance is a dangerous thing
12:25 AM on 04/28/2010
After reading about 50 comments or so, I think most people are missing something important. Until the recession is over, we shouldn't balance the budget. Keynes was right and the historical record proves it. Further, as Robert Kuttner points out in today's LA Times, while the Feds are increasing the deficit, states and localities have to balance their budgets by reducing their spending, undercutting the positive effect of the Federal deficit. The best and most important first step is to increase employment. Then, if we can restore our manufacturing sector and replace low paying service jobs with good paying manufacturing jobs, we further increase revenue. Also, greater income equality will produce greater and more sustainable growth which will further increase revenues. Here's an example-- the top 25 hedge fund managers make an average of $1 billion dollars each per year. That's the same as 500,000 people making $50,000 per year, Who will buy more new cars--the 500,000 middle class or the 25 hedge fund managers? The super rich don't spend as much of their income; it's darn near impossible. What they do is speculate. Also, those same hedge fund managers pay only a 15% income tax rate and don't pay any more into payroll taxes than someone making a little over $100,000. Taxes on the super rich should be hiked to 70% above $10 million per year.
08:27 AM on 04/28/2010
I don't think anyone should pay 70% of anything to any govt.
But I do think the super rich and the corporations should pay something, and not hide behind tax breaks and loopholes.
And the $100,000 cap is just ridiculous! Those who can least afford it, pay 15% into it, while those who can most afford it (and collect it later, like John McCain does) pay nothing. Typical US and why we are in this mess.
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JudgeMoonbox
09:22 PM on 04/27/2010
" 'The commission's first act should be to take tax increases off the table,' said Rep. Patrick McHenry, R-N.C"

Translation: The deficit commission should show that it's not serious about reducing the deficit. McHenry must want to use the deficit to cut programs so popular that he doesn't dare campaign against them directly, but which he would hate just as much if the government had so much money, it didn't know what to do with it.
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LesleyAnne
03:57 PM on 04/27/2010
I don't agree. I think Obama chose this commission in an effort to be bipartisan and not have the Dems seeming to be making the rules. Let's hear from both sides at once. There is much waste and fraud in the form of corporate welfare and sacred cow defense spending that, if eliminated, would go far in reducing the deficit. Don't forget the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans from the Bush era that were not paid for, and the recent large tax break on the wealthiest estates. Take from the greediest, not the neediest.
03:37 PM on 04/27/2010
GOP: Godawful One-note Party--cut taxes! Caw! Cut taxes! Caw! Can these people make themselves useful for once? Every single one of their initiatives is an idiot's plan for America. Drill! Dig! Cut! Pollute! Kill! Abstinence! Get a clue.
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hrc04
put on your pants and go home.
03:10 PM on 04/27/2010
Alan Simpson is quickly becoming my favorite Republican, especially after his appearance on Fox News Sunday when he refused to play Chris Wallace's silly partisan games.
01:08 PM on 04/27/2010
It is simply critical that Americans of all parties, ages and backgrounds somehow come together and responsibly address our nation's many problems. Reasoned, fact based, civil arguments that are honestly directed at solutions are certainly what we owe both our children and our parents -- responsibly dealing with entitlements may be the starkest example of the necessity of this approach.
Most importantly, much groundwork must be done in order to ensure that as many as possibly fully understand the absolute necessity of reform. Moreover, in order to prevent generational battles, the best way forward may be to appeal to seniors themselves to actually lead reform efforts in order to help their grand-children and great grandchildren...Wealthy seniors must be "willing" partners in reforming entitlements and ensuring that these currently unsustainable programs will be there for those who truly need them...An honest discussion from "all parties" of the impact of Medicare, Social Security and Medicaid spending must take place…Regardless of political persuasion, these cans can no longer be kicked down the road and entitlement reform must happen! Again, it will be largely up to the "Silent" generation and the "Baby Boomers" to selflessly lead this reform effort and fully understand its urgency. If they can do this, America may eventually have three "Greatest Generations.”
01:27 PM on 04/27/2010
Seconded.
02:25 PM on 04/27/2010
I find it most interesting that we NEVER hear a WORD about our bloated Defense Budget having to
be Cut . My opinion is that the REAL problem is the NOTES the Government gave to Social Security when the borrowed those surpluses will soon have to repaid and NO One wants to do it , least of all the Republicans .
The Commission is stacked with people who are salavating to cut Social Security but oblivious to the waste in the Defense Budget .We spend more than the ENTIRE rest of the world . As for Medicare and Medicaid the problem could be solved by having a Single Payer Health care system as they do in every other civilized country . We could eliminate FOR PROFIT health care and dramatically reduce Medical Costs . One Reason Medicare and medicaid are so expensive is they insure the worst kinds of clientele the Aged and the Poor both of whom are higher risk groups
12:41 PM on 04/27/2010
BEWARE OF THIS 'COMMISSION' WHICH ALLOWS OBAMA TO EVADE HIS COMMITMENTS!
SEVERAL COMMENTS WERE EXACTLY STATED; MILITARY IS THE BIGGEST SHAM OF WASTFUL SPENDING,THEN DRUG ENFORCEMENT,THEN FUNDS GIVEN TO FOREIGN COUNTRIES,THEN SUBSIDIES FOR BIG AG,THEN BIG OIL SUBSIDIES AND SO-ON.
THIS COMMISION WAS 'FORMED' TO EVADE THE REALITY OF SIMPLY DOING WHAT AVERAGE CITIZENS WANT! BIG MONEY INTRESTS WILL RULE THE DAY AND TAX PAYERS WILL LOSE.
DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN OR WE ARE ALL DIGGING OUR COUNTRY INTO A DEEPER HOLE VIA GOOD-OL-BOYS POLITICS!!
01:35 PM on 04/27/2010
Not that I disagree necessarily, particularly with what seems to be the underlying point, but there is no need to shout.

You are correct, though: the commission is a way for Pres. Obama, and by derivation the Democrats, to be perceived as Doing Something, in a bipartisan and reasoned manner, about a dangerous and timely political issue (the deficit), thereby stealing much GOP thunder leading into the midterm elections -- all without actually Doing Anything substantive that might alienate voters.
12:21 PM on 04/27/2010
Seen a lot of post on here today saying just cut this or tax that..but no one puts up any numbers on savings or increase in revenues.
So let’s cut to the chase and get SERIOUS here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_United_States_federal_budget
total budget- $3.552 TRILLION
Mandatory spending- $2.184 TRIILION
Discretionary Spending- $1.368 TRIILION
Total estimated revenues- $2.381 TRIILION

As we can see clearly here, IF you cut ALL discretionary spending (this would include the ENTIRE defense department) you would end up with a surplus of about $200 Billion.
While many conservatives are fine with gutting completely all of these programs, they en mass will scream like little girls about even one dollar being cut from the defense dept. So this is NOT an option then.

How about if we cut everything across the board until we get to balance?

OK, let’s see we need a 33% across the board cut to have a balanced budget. Sounds good, right?

Let’s break it down:
Easy stuff first, all the “government waste”!
Non-defense discretionary spending cut by $215 Billion (currently at $651.8Billion)
You can go through the list form the link, some tough cuts for sure there, but we’re all about cutting spending here.

Next Defense spending: ($716.2Billion counting the VA). Needs to be cut by $236.3 Billion. Oh oh…now wait a minute the conservative say…but too bad, you wanted it , you get it!
12:22 PM on 04/27/2010
Glad we got the easy stuff out of the way here….LOL.

Social security?........lets cut that 33% ! a whopping $229 Billion here…now we’re talking!
Good luck when grandma moves in because her SS just got CUT from $1000/month to $666/Month..oh well YOU have a big house.
Medicare……CUT $149Billion!...whoo-hooo…well since Granny is living with you now, you won’t mind picking up her medical cost, will you?
At least you taxes won’t be going up or anything!!!

NEXT!!!!

Medicaid…well that’s for poor people, so none of us really care anyway….cut that $95.7 Biilion away.
Other mandatory programs and something called disaster cost….who cares…we’re a CUTTIN now….$192 Billion more saved!!
Interest on the debt…whoops……guess there is NO way we can actually cut that is it?
Well just take that $54 Billion we need out Medicaid (just poor people, we don’t care).
There ya have it…I just balanced the budget for REAL without raising one dime in taxes!!!
How do you like it?

Feel free to use real numbers and show your work, if you want to make changes.
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ErnestineBass
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12:33 PM on 04/27/2010
You just made a new FAN.
12:08 PM on 04/27/2010
There is only one way. Raise taxes AND cut spending. But that would mean everyone is miserable and there is not way politicians will do that. All income brackets will be impacted, higher more than lower. However, all those that are ready to institute a 90% tax bracket as in the pre-Reagan years and that will magically solve the issue. I only have one question. If the 'rich' were really paying 90%, then why did we ever need the Alternative Minimum Tax in 1970 that was targeted at the top 150 families to make sure they even paid taxes? The reality is very few every paid those rates and we don't know what impact that would have on today's economy.
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joyf1
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12:40 PM on 04/27/2010
When we had the 90% bracket, there were lots more deductions. (Eisenhower admin. had it at 91%). But, Frank Sinatra still got rich!
01:26 PM on 04/27/2010
Exactly.

My main point is there is no magic bullet. Some folks are going to pay more and some will recieve less. And that is a politically toxic mix, the unfourtunatly I don't see happening until we reach a big crisis.
12:58 PM on 04/27/2010
I am personally for a flat tax, 21% would bring the same revenue as now.

but with only a standard deduction of $10,000 per adult and $5000 per child.

family of 4 with median US income of about $50,000 would pay as follows:

$50,000 income
- $30,000 deductions

$20,000 taxable income
X 21%
$4200 in Income tax.

one of the biggest things people hate about income tax is the worry that their neighbor is getting/taking breaks they don't get. This is the brilliance of this type of tax.
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joyf1
Glad I live on an island.
01:45 PM on 04/27/2010
It's a shame, though, that they worry about their neighbor's tax return. That's what has been wrong. People blame too much. With a flat tax, would all income be the same? Dividends? Interest?
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11:50 AM on 04/27/2010
Seems higher progressive taxes with tax incentives for investing in the US manufacturing is the only long term solution for increasing the tax base with quality jobs and the multiplier effect. Americans need to buy American made goods. Import taxes may be necessary to assist this goal as foreign countries have slave labor, little infra structure, huge oil supplies revenues, etc! Alternative fuels to oil need to be developed affordably and quickly ! Taxes on US companies with foreign operations is necessary as the US spends huge sums militarily and politically to provide a safer environment in foreign countries! Anyone moving a corporate headquarters overseas needs to have their citizenship canceled!
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11:56 AM on 04/27/2010
The reason so many jobs are overseas is because of the taxes and benefits they, companies, have to pay for jobs here. Incentivize companies to keep jobs here and they will stay here. Import taxes create trade wars and since we export a fraction of what we import that will not end well.
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Patrick Desmond
12:12 PM on 04/27/2010
Exon-Mobil paid $15 billion in taxes last year, none of them to us

http://motherjones.com/mojo/2010/04/exxon-mobil-paid-zero-income-tax-offshore%20shelter-wal-mart-general-electric-forbes

He's not the one who doesn't get it.
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joyf1
Glad I live on an island.
12:40 PM on 04/27/2010
Foreign investment tax credits went back to the 1930s.
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ErnestineBass
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11:35 AM on 04/27/2010
Here's hoping HP keeps us current on the activities of this commission.

For those of you who would like a little more background information on its members:

http://www.alternet.org/story/146183/obama_packs_debt_commission_with_social_security_looters?page=entire
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12:21 PM on 04/27/2010
Thanks. That's a good article.

And a great headline worth repeating:
Obama Packs Debt Commission with Social Security Looters
11:35 AM on 04/27/2010
1. Reduce defense spending by over 40% (we'd still be spending more than the rest of the world combined)
2. Repeal the Reagan Tax Cuts, simplify tax code, and institute progressive marginal tax that produced the middle class from the 1940s-1970s
3. Rework the trade deals that lead to more exports rather than imports
4. Get rid of tax breaks that encourage companies to ship jobs oversees and give it to them for producing jobs here (no brainer if we want to produce)
5. Wind down these 2 costly wars
6. Break up these big banks
7. Pass EFCA (would put the kabosh on the 400:1 CEO/worker income ratio)
8. Move towad public option and then Medicare-for-all (single-payer), Medicare being payed for by eliminated the FICA cap
9. Tariffs that discourage companies from shipping jobs oversees and then trying the products back into the U.S. at a lower price (i.e. Wal-Mart)
10. Pass a constitutional amendment (like states have) that is Pay-Go, and criminalizing supplemental budget practices like the GOP did when they took the 2 wars off the books.

Pesonally I don't think I've said anything Obama & the Dems don't already know. Knowing how Obama likes to tackle hard stuff, I'm thinking this "bipartisan" commission is just a front to give him the leverage to do so. It's time to make this country work for the middle and working class again and make sure future GOP administrations can't reverse it.
11:38 AM on 04/27/2010
All good except this one makes no sense:

"Get rid of tax breaks that encourage companies to ship jobs oversees"
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Patrick Desmond
11:46 AM on 04/27/2010
Domestic jobs not going overseas means
(a) more tax revenue
(b) more demand for goods and services as a result of more money being in the hands of American workers, which in turn creates more jobs, which creates still more tax revenue.
myaa
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11:40 AM on 04/27/2010
I hope you are right about the optimism! And really don't know how much time he has on his hands with the mid-terms approaching and the pessimism from the Democratic camp..
12:07 PM on 04/27/2010
The pessimism is greatly exaggerated for one (the corporate-media wants that to help the GOP get back into power). Two, the GOP keeps on shooting themselves in the foot with stuff like the Arizona immigration bill that is firing everybody up (just like 2008) to come out and vote against them. Third, even though the economy is weak (and will remain weak thru November), much will be passed from now until November that will re-energize voters (i.e. climate bill, Supreme ct who will be progressive, more jobs bills).

Remember, more GOPers are retiring than Dems (and tea parties are splitting their votes). At the worst, the Dems will lose 5 in the senate and 20 in the house, still retaining the majority. Contrary to what the media wants us to believe (polls also don't take into account young, minorities, new voters, people who don't have land lines), it won't be 1994, not by a long shot.
11:34 AM on 04/27/2010
cut Defense by $200 billion; eliminate $50 billion in farm subsidies, reinstate the inheritance tax (with an exemption for those with estates consiting of farms and those with less than $5 million).

Presto: Goal accomplished.

While we're at it extend payroll taxes to those making more than $90,000 a year, and you've solved a big part of the SS and Medicare issue.

It's not hard, it just takes courage.
11:41 AM on 04/27/2010
don't forget the TV tax.
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ErnestineBass
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11:42 AM on 04/27/2010
Your proposals, combined with tigerakabj's (post above yours), would do the trick!

Hats off to the both of you! (Congress needs more common sense people like you two)
11:33 AM on 04/27/2010
It's jobs that will add to the tax register. We need jobs. We need the taxes that working people pay. Let's end our involvement in the two wars. Let's close our military bases in Germany and in other places (not all). Let's restrict dividend payments to stockholders for companies that are laying people off yet paying dividends; offshoring the work; failing to comply with safety requirements. Let's intervene in A BIG WAY in the financial markets. Want to take your country back? Take it back from the very wealthy. Tea Baggers are aligned against the government. They need to align against the benefactors of the failed Bush years. Since this message is so random anyway let me add... Mars? Really? C'mon! and Offshoe Drilling and Clean Coal? C'mon!
myaa
Justice - the only way to peace!
11:36 AM on 04/27/2010
Agreed! And jobs will not be added till we the people kick start manufacturing in our country. And to do that we need to stop importing cheap, substandard (and often toxic) good manufactured in sweat shops overseas. The only way to do that is to put tariffs in place.