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Hutaree Militia Members Can Leave Jail Until Trial, Judge Rules

ED WHITE   05/ 3/10 09:19 PM ET   AP

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DETROIT — Nine members of a Michigan militia will be released from jail pending trial after a federal judge on Monday harshly criticized the government's claim they had conspired to overthrow the U.S. government.

The decision is a significant defeat for federal authorities, who spoke in tough and triumphant terms after arresting members of a southern Michigan group called the Hutaree in March and charging them with conspiracy to commit sedition and attempted use of weapons of mass destruction.

The government "need not wait until people are killed before it arrests conspirators," U.S. District Judge Victoria Roberts said. "But the defendants are also correct: Their right to engage in hate-filled, venomous speech is a right that deserves First Amendment protection."

While Roberts ruled only whether to keep the eight men and one woman in jail until trial, her decision – reached after nearly 10 hours of hearings and detailed in 36 pages – offers an early look at her thoughts on the strength of the government's case.

In court papers and testimony before Roberts, prosecutors and an FBI agent claimed the Hutaree are violent, anti-government zealots who plotted to kill police officers in an effort to spark an uprising that would take down the federal government. Instead, the judge said the rambling, scornful recorded conversations offered as evidence didn't prove the group poses an imminent threat.

"Discussions about killing local law enforcement officers – and even discussions about killing members of the judicial branch of government – do not translate to conspiring to overthrow, or levy war against, the United States government," Roberts said.

She said the nine defendants in custody can be released until trial under strict conditions, including electronic monitoring. They won't actually be freed until they return to court for paperwork and other processing Tuesday.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Ronald Waterstreet asked the judge late Monday to freeze the release until the U.S. Justice Department could be consulted about an appeal, citing the fatal shooting Monday of a Detroit police officer in a drug house. That slaying had no connection to the Hutaree, but prosecutors have said the militia's plans included killing a police officer and then bombing the funeral to increase the death toll.

Defense attorney William Swor, who represents militia leader David Stone, called Waterstreet's argument "outrageous."

Observers cautioned that U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade and her team should be worried about Roberts' assessment of their case, rather than her decision to release the defendants pending trial.

"The feds are in big trouble," said Lloyd Meyer of Chicago, a former terrorism prosecutor who won decades-long prison sentences against violent militia members in western and northern Michigan. "If they can't persuade the judge by clear and convincing evidence that the defendants are dangerous, how can they convince 12 jurors beyond a reasonable doubt? Her ruling looks like the feds are prosecuting U.S. citizens for jibber-jabber."

The group, based in Lenawee County near the Michigan-Ohio border, is led by Stone, 44, of Clayton, Mich. The other defendants include his wife, Tina Stone and two sons, David Stone Jr. and Joshua Stone.

During two days of hearings before Roberts last week, prosecutors tried to show how dangerous they perceived the Hutaree militia to be. The evidence included a recording made by an undercover agent of David Stone and others talking about killing police.

In a separate talk inside a van on a trip to Kentucky, the elder Stone was recorded saying "it's time to strike and take our nation back so that we may be free again from tyranny."

But no specific names or dates were disclosed, and some conversations were sprinkled with laughs and a mix of subjects, including strippers and drawing Hitler mustaches on photos of state troopers.

The judge wasn't impressed: "This so-called speech – never delivered outside the van – speaks of reclaiming America, not overthrowing the United States government," Roberts said.

Prosecutors were stung when an FBI agent who testified at the demand of defense lawyers said she couldn't reveal much because she hadn't lately reviewed investigative reports.

Roberts said Monday that prosecutors failed to rebut the defendants' position that the Hutaree's "live-fire training" amounted to shooting at dirt mounds on private property twice a year. With just a few exceptions, all weapons and ammunition seized by agents were legal, the judge said.

"Her opinion is a shot across the bow," said Alan Gershel, former head of the criminal division in the U.S. attorney's office in Detroit who now teaches at Thomas M. Cooley Law School in suburban Detroit. "It's fair to say this should cause the government some concern, but I don't think it's an indication the case is in dire straits."

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themightylex
01:21 PM on 05/05/2010
I hope when it comes to the trial, that the jury will well consider the testimony of the undercover agent. That agent was there and got a true sense of this groups intent. The tape alone can't tell you what actually being with these people, and knowing their level of radicalism is like.

I'll trust the agent on this one.
11:49 AM on 05/04/2010
Someone's right to free speach doesn't cover threats. Just like one cannot yell "fire" in a crowded movie theater.
11:29 AM on 05/04/2010
I'm sure this judge's decision to release some domestic terrorists is a relief to the militia members and their families. Now they can get back to doing what they planned in the first place...
10:37 AM on 05/04/2010
slaughter these 9 wet pigs!
10:31 AM on 05/04/2010
I thought they had plotted to kill Police officers.
How do you get out of jail on that kind of offense.?
10:37 AM on 05/04/2010
skin color, r u joking.
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Shadow
The shadow knows
10:08 AM on 05/04/2010
You know whats funny with these "jerk" Militias. There is a clause in the constitution that allows the President of the US to call them into federal service. Do it "Barry" and watch these military wanna bees cave and head for the hills. Irony? HA!
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progressivegreg
Scotty, beam me up
10:26 AM on 05/04/2010
who is this "Barry" person to whom you refer?
10:42 AM on 05/04/2010
Barry is billo'racist wet pigs father
07:01 AM on 05/04/2010
what the hell does this have to do with chicago? huffpo, please get rid of these silly regional pages. good news gets hidden under needless headers.
03:43 AM on 05/04/2010
I would be mad if I had to live in Hammond too. Worst experience of my life.
10:29 AM on 05/04/2010
Or anywhere in Indiana or Michigan for that matter.
Depressing.
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henrypapillon
Mitt--free up the last 9 years' taxes
12:16 AM on 05/04/2010
Leave it to the HP to get it all mixed up between Hutaree and the Michigan Militia. To them it's all the same. That is not so.
07:04 AM on 05/04/2010
they said "a" michigan militia, not "the" michigan militia. god, it's so sad that i live in a state with multiple violent wingnut groups cowering under the cloak of "patriotism"
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RJ2500
Bishop Willard's furry red friend
08:53 AM on 05/04/2010
They're the "real Amurukuhns" Sarah is always talking about.
10:30 AM on 05/04/2010
There are many militia in MI
10:38 AM on 05/04/2010
how is it mixed up.....pwt-POOR....W.....TRASH


all the same
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wskrs
If it pleases and sparkles... sunshine!
12:05 AM on 05/04/2010
I don't have a problem with the fact that they are a self declared militia - my issue is when they have a detailed plot and specific target in mind as far as how to kill people. These people will still have access to guns, even if somebody has to bring it to them, and if they really want to kill somebody, I think it's doubtful a tracking anklet will stop them.

I hope they keep their noses clean and everyone is brought to justice. If these people had Muslim names and faces, they would never see anything but the inside of a jail cell again.
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mariusvinchi
Saint Lucia is looking better and better every day
10:33 PM on 05/03/2010
Did I miss the restriction against possessing firearms for the duration of the case? I would think this an important condition given the nature of the alleged offenses...
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Lauralics
Loving "Pure" Michigan
09:25 PM on 05/03/2010
Liberals were all over this story when it first came out, hand-wringing and fear-mongering about these people. Then we have this judge, in liberal Detroit, that basically scoffs at the case and questions the strength of the case. Jeez, from the opening stories you'd have thought this was a slam-dunk case, apparently it's not.

Do I like to see armed groups of men and women having get togethers and complaining about the Govt.? NO. Have I seen gun and hunting enthusiasts get together at a shooting range or someones property to practice their aim? YES. Would these people complain about the govt., maybe, politics is a favorite subject for many and gets fiery with or without a gun.
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MIvoter1231
I rarely answer replies, too many are just hateful
10:31 PM on 05/03/2010
Yeah, and don't forget McVeigh's partner in crime was from just one of these MI militias. Oops, sorry, didn't want a fact to get in the way of your BS.

We know all to well about these people up here and live with them, obviously you don't. I know lots of hunters, my 17 yo son just got his hunter's safety and is planning to hunt this fall, his father is an avid hunter, so is his entire family. So hunting is pretty much a given up here.

None of us are talking about hunters, we know the difference up here between a hunter and a nut. These AREN'T hunters. And domestic terrorism charges are notoriously hard to prove. Just because it's hard to prove in a court of law, doesn't mean that they're innocent. Here in my neck of MI, even the conservatives are worried about this group. Considering this is the hometown area for Blackwater and their supporters, I think that's saying something.
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12:35 AM on 05/04/2010
Using the example of one bad egg won't fly in court either. This is the ridiculous type of argument like where people say that all Americans must be disarmed because some gang members do bad things with guns. Puhleeze.
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Lauralics
Loving "Pure" Michigan
07:19 AM on 05/04/2010
You're talking with a Michigan resident who lives pretty close to where this militia called home. Yes, hunting is a given up here and MY son who is 14 already has his hunter safety and has been hunting with my father, an avid sportsman.

You may know the difference between a hunter and a nut, but the libs on this site usually don't. Some hunters get together and practice their shooting (my son one of them) and sometimes they wear camo. What's scary is that the Fed's would look at THEM as suspicious as well.

Most gun enthusiests are hunters in the first place, that's a given for most but not liberals who fear all that were camo and have a gun.

ps I agree that this group sounds nuts, I don't know if their hunters (do you?) and as a conservative that lives nearby I've seen very little uproar. So we're back to hand-wringing, fear-mongering liberals.
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Lauralics
Loving "Pure" Michigan
09:12 PM on 05/03/2010
I don't care for militia's, but the govt. timing for taking action is pretty suspicious. What better way to smear tea party people and lump them in with those who talk armed violence.

This article talks about prosecution of other militia members, were these trials "before" Obama became Prez? It just seems like militia's have been around a lot longer than Obama and now we are seeing what we have seen for decades and probably for the next Administrations. Good try Fed's, this article makes you look foolish.
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michiganms
09:11 PM on 05/03/2010
Wonder how many of the defendants will be come back for trial? They will be so well hidden no one will ever see them again.
09:00 PM on 05/03/2010
Who of you, boys and girls, ever heard of the concept "innocent until proven guilty" ?
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
11:15 PM on 05/05/2010
OOOHHH, I know, I know!!

Apparently no one else, sorry. On HP, you're convicted upon being labelled a person of interest, or earlier. Some of these people are psychic, you know.