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Obama's Fiscal Commission: What's Going On In There?

First Posted: 07/05/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:25 PM ET

Deficit Commission

Members of President Obama's deficit commission huddled behind closed doors Wednesday despite pleas from the left and right that they hold all their meetings in public.

The move only heightens suspicion that rather than forging a national consensus on future spending priorities, the commission's work will consist of backroom dealings in which members of the Washington aristocracy find high-minded excuses for cutting the social safety net.

Bruce Reed, the commission's executive director, assured the Huffington Post there is nothing sinister about holding working group meetings like today's in private. But he had no good reason why they shouldn't be held in public, either.

"The smaller working group meetings are not decision making meetings," he said. "It's not practical to have C-SPAN there anytime two or more fiscal commission members are gathered.... We're going to have some boring meetings in public -- and some boring meetings by ourselves."

Reed said the "actual deliberations are going to be in public, at the full commission meetings."

But what's the harm of letting the public into the other meetings as well? Reed struggled with the answer. "Look, I think that the, the goal of, of the working group meetings is to give members of the commission a chance to ask questions and learn things and not have to make formal statements and, and so we're going to have plenty of opportunities for members of the commission to educate the public and be educated by the public. But sometimes members want to have a boring meeting just by themselves."

Rep. John Conyers, Jr. (D-Mich.) and 15 other progressive members of Congress last week sent a letter to the commission's co-chairs, asking that they allow C-SPAN coverage and Internet streaming of all the panel's meeting and deliberations, including those "working groups" -- which they figure are actually the most likely place that deals are going to get cut.

House Minority Leader John Boehner sent the commission a similar letter in March -- at least as far as demanding transparency.

The commission's initial staffing decisions only add to progressive concerns. Reed, the executive director, hails from the Democratic Leadership Council, true paragons of political triangulation. Reed brought DLC research associate Conor McKay on board as well.

Pleading poverty on account of the commission's $500,000 budget (a good chunk of which will go to the executive director's $150,000 a year salary, and office expenses) Reed said he is reaching out to other government agencies and nonprofit groups to lend him "detailees" for key staff posts.

So far, Reed has brought on Meagan Mann, from deficit-hawk Office of Management and Budget Director Peter Orszag's staff, and Marc Goldwein, the Social Security expert at the deficit-hawk Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

Deficit hawks are policymakers who have an unhealthy obsession with keeping the federal budget under control. Lately, the only concrete thing they seem to be able to agree on is that Social Security payouts need to be reduced.

Reed denied that he is putting his thumb on the scale with his staffing decisions. "We are building a staff of experts," he said. "It will be a bipartisan and nonpartisan staff with people from across the spectrum, much like the commission itself."

He said future hires could come from such progressive groups as the Economic Policy Institute. "I think that we'll have progressive staffers, we'll have conservative staffers, we'll have centrist staffers. This is an issue that concerns people across the spectrum for different reasons."

The full commission, which will meet once a month, in public, heard a limited range of views at its first meeting on April 27. Headliners included Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and OMB's Orszag.

Similarly, the heads of the working groups don't exactly represent the whole political spectrum. Wednesday's meeting, of the "Discretionary Spending" working group, was led by Rep. John Spratt (D-S.C.) and Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK). That represents a range from Blue-dog deficit hawk (on the left) to radical government de-funder (on the right).

The commission's makeup and the requirement that all recommendations be approved by 14 of the 18 members make is almost foreordained that it won't agree on much.

There are certainly enough votes on the right to block any significant tax increase proposals.

There certainly aren't enough votes anywhere to propose deep spending cuts in the bloated military budget.

The only real question is whether there are five votes -- enough to block passage -- against cutting social programs, particularly Social Security.

Reed disputed this vision of the commission's future. "I guess I don't accept the premise that because a group is concerned about the deficit that means it has an agenda," he said. "I think it's far too early to assume anything about what members will be willing to recommend."

WATCH: Alex Lawson, communications director for the progressive group Social Security Works stood outside the commission's meeting room Wednesday morning and livestreamed the door closing over and over again, as members and staff members filed by saying "no comment."

Commission Members

President Obama appointed the two co-chairs and four regular members. The majority and minority leaders of the House and Senate each got to pick three each.

Co-Chairs:
Erskine Bowles, Former White House Chief of Staff
Alan Simpson, Former Republican Senate Whip

Members Appointed by Obama
David Cote, Chairman, CEO, and President of Honeywell
Ann Fudge, former Chairman and CEO of Young & Rubicam Brands from 2003 to 2006
Alice Rivlin, Senior fellow in the Economic Studies Program at the Brookings Institution and visiting professor at Georgetown University
Andy Stern, President of the Service Employees International Union

Democratic House Members
Rep. John Spratt (D-SC), House Budget Committee Chairman
Rep. Xavier Becerra (D-CA), Democratic Caucus Vice Chair
Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), Member, Energy and Commerce Committee

Republican House Members
Rep. Dave Camp (R-MI), Ranking Member, House Ways and Means Committee
Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), Rankinig Member, House Budget Committee
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX), Vice-Ranking Member, House Budget Committee

Democratic Senate Members
Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL), Senate Majority Whip
Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT), Senate Finance Committee Chairman
Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND), Senate Budget Committee Chairman

Republican Senate Members
Sen. Judd Gregg (R-NH), Ranking Member, Senate Budget Committee
Sen. Mike Crapo (R-ID)
Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK)


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Dan Froomkin is senior Washington correspondent for the Huffington Post. You can send him an e-mail, bookmark his page; subscribe to RSS feed, follow him on Twitter, friend him on Facebook, and/or become a fan and get e-mail alerts when he writes.


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Members of President Obama's deficit commission huddled behind closed doors Wednesday despite pleas from the left and right that they hold all their meetings in public. The move only heightens suspic...
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01:39 PM on 07/02/2010
You know one of the worst results of the financial sector rip-off is not the simple lack of persecution of these miscreants.

The millions and millions of additional dollars in wealth accumulated and retained by the incredible taxpayer bail outs is the foundation for such a vast mountain of influence and self dealing that we may as well have gone and elected many of these men as the new "Kings of America."
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wethepeople3884
in Order to form a more perfect union ...
01:18 AM on 06/12/2010
transparency my @$$ - ive seen more transparency in a bank vault.
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Wallysmom
"I'm taking on stupid wherever it exists"
12:49 PM on 05/21/2010
Obviously it's not secret if it's all over the Internet. Whether they are deliberating heavy issues or talking about what Subway footlong they plan to have for lunch, minutes should be released of the topics discussed at the very least. Otherwise, here we go with conjecture and conspiracy theories. One would have thought we've had enough of that over the last year and a half.
11:37 AM on 05/21/2010
It's official now, all the folks that called Bush a nazi have apologized now that they see a real nazi in the white house.
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Puller58
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05:48 PM on 05/07/2010
Transparently secret.
04:31 PM on 05/07/2010
Of the Democrats named on the commission, that I am familiar with,they all want to make cuts to the Social Security.

The rich are getting richer off of Medicare. It won't be cut. The retirees will be made to pay more, but heaven forbid the insurance companies, the physicians and the medical equipment owners roll back the prices they charge.
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uvymopka
The voice of truth, in a sea of Loons
03:20 PM on 05/07/2010
Sarah Palin has created more jobs than Obama has. She created eleven jobs fact-checking at the AP just for the Palin autobiography.
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Kevin Atlanta
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08:01 AM on 05/07/2010
Unless and until the Military budget appears on the table for balancing the budget there will be absolute revolt in the USA. These slime-balls have just given away the nation to their Corporate Communist Masters and are soon to discover just how numbered their days are. Fraud, waste, taxpayer abuse, insane no-bid contracts and global bases are not required for United States Security.
End the Wars - balance the budget.
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citizen
02:00 PM on 05/07/2010
Right on Atlanta! Fanned.
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Wallysmom
"I'm taking on stupid wherever it exists"
12:51 PM on 05/21/2010
YES YES YES and a thousand times YES. A very thoughtful idea. And then we can figure out what jobs these men and women will be coming home to. Perhaps they can aid in the clean-up of the Gulf and Eastern Seaboard after the BP debacle. That would be a better use of our military right now.
12:39 AM on 05/07/2010
My fear is that it's a planning meeting for the time we find ourselves in Greece's position when the true extent of our country's indebtedness is exposed. The crisis would present a "Shock Doctrine" opportunity for radical change in the US economy. Essentially, the policies of the Bush Administration would be put on steroids: little to no regulation; curtailment or abolition of safety net programs; reduction in the number of government employees and cuts in their pay; re-privatization of bailed out banks and corporations; and stringent reins on labor. That's the International Monetary Fund playbook.

The Fiscal Commission is just a strategy session on how best to dress it up and ram it through when it happens.
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02:11 AM on 05/07/2010
Yes, notice that Obama keep trying to frame terrorism as a domestic threat. They kept saying the Time Square bomb attempt was domestic until they caught the guy. And the December bombing attempt they actually still continue to call domestic even though the guy was from Nigeria.
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Democrat in the South
Empathy, the most important word
10:02 AM on 05/07/2010
Your point?
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citizen
11:09 PM on 05/06/2010
Obama won't do anything about this. What did he do with health care reform?

He is the largest percipient of political donations from both Goldman Sachs and from British Petroleum . He is bought and paid for like the most of the clowns in D.C.

Support, Brown, Paul, Grayson (It's too bad Kaufman isn't running...so he says.)
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masher
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02:12 AM on 05/07/2010
I agree except its not that Obama won't do anything its that he can't be forced to do anything.

In this way Obama is more dangerous than Bush. We knew Bush was the enemy. Obama acts like our friend.
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WSWatchdog
citizen
02:02 PM on 05/07/2010
Exactly. That's why liberals on this site have to WAKE UP. Obama has sold Progressives out....probably a long time ago. Unless his base rebels he won't feel that he may lose in 2012. We have GOT to get this poltical system reformed masher.

Fanned!!!!!!
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Bushwhacked
Stay active, informed and VOTE in 2014!
10:15 PM on 05/06/2010
Washington as usual it seems.
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Fewkes
09:19 PM on 05/06/2010
Once again the Federal government is making an end run around democracy. We have Federal legislation, voted on by our elected representatives, that describes the Federal budgetary process. The President has the OMB (Office of Management and Budget) and Congress has the CBO (Congressional Budget Office). The are a dozen committees in each house of Congress along with the President that are responsible for creating a budget according to the budgetary legislation. We don't need a Presidential commission or any other kind of commission to by-pass this process. We are already spending millions on the process. If the President doesn't like the budget he can veto it. If Congress doesn't like the budget proposed by the President they can amend it.

When it comes to deficits, public officials only focus on Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. They never talk about the billions in waste, fraud and corruption in Defense Department and Agricultural Department spending. It's time to stop maintaining weapons systems for enemies that no longer exist. It's time to stop buying weapons systems that the Defense Department does not want or need - 2400 F-35 Strike Fighters for instance.
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masher
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02:14 AM on 05/07/2010
Its also time to end NAFTA, CAFTA, and all these anti-American worker trade deals. Ending trade with communist China and its slavery would go a long way.

Obama of course would never let that happen.
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Plus15
07:57 PM on 05/06/2010
Hard to look at the list of members of this commission and not be pretty damn sure that the social safety net of our Democracy will be severely damaged, torn and/or dismantled by this group and then reported to us in the most diplomatic, warm, cozy, All American fashion these Washington insiders have perfected over the years. Could they possibly add a few more right wing, right leaning lobbyists, congresspeople and former congresspeople to this "Commission" lol. Disgusting.
boxman15
Obama 2012
06:08 PM on 05/06/2010
This article makes a whole lot out of nothing. One closed door meeting?! Let's panic!!!!!
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masher
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02:15 AM on 05/07/2010
I guess you didn't pay attention to the HCR or the GM bailouts, or the TARP bailouts, or any of the other secret deals for corporations Obama made.
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ClarkOHrepub
BO & Co have Gotta Go!
03:08 PM on 05/06/2010
Come on Obama...no cojones? YOU promised to nail those rich white folk and bleed them for all they got! You want to right the ship man?...You got to take it!...let em eat tacos for a year. ...spread that money around to us little people. They don't NEED anything...greedy b@stards,...who told them they could keep it all to themselves anyway? YOU promised us man!
03:47 PM on 05/06/2010
Obama promised to create an environment where if you work hard you will succeed. However, it is ultimately your responsibility. (I hope this post was a joke of some kind)
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naschkatze
A free man creates himself.
07:40 PM on 05/06/2010
Obama needs to create an environment where there ARE jobs first.
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truthglow
12:05 PM on 05/07/2010
Unfortunately, this is no joke. If you read a lot, you will know this is really happening, and if they can balance thier books on the backs of the poor, elderly, frail, and ill, they will do it. Obama promised to tax the richest among us, but that hasn't happened yet, now that he's in. Nor are the two long, resource-driven, Bush Wars near being over. I am deeply, deeply, deeply disappointed in Obama. I have to give him credit for one thing however. He is the best sociopath I have ever seen. He fooled millions of people with his bright smile, hopeful promises, and beautiful words. We needed so much to believe him. But there comes a time when one must believe one's own eyes and ears, over long ago made promises that are not being fulfilled. And I don't want to see any paid or "hypnotized" DNC/ DLC propagandist try to spin this one. Enough time has gone by for us to see the TRUTH of the matter, v/s the spin, and the spin is no longer cutting it for most of us.