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Argentina: Greek Financial Rescue Is Doomed To Fail

MICHAEL WARREN   05/14/10 09:20 PM ET   AP

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AVELLANEDA, Argentina — Gregorio Lopez has a message for the Greek workers who are protesting deep cuts in salaries and pensions that come with an international, trillion-dollar rescue package: You're on your own.

Lopez and his fellow employees at the Lavalan wool-processing factory worked for a year without pay after Argentina's economy imploded in 2001 and the country defaulted on a record $95 billion debt.

They endured blows from riot police to keep creditors from carting off the equipment. In the end, they had to take over the factory and form a worker-run cooperative to save their jobs.

"It was really ugly," Lopez said. "We didn't have support from anybody – not the government, not even the union. ... Our only way out was to do it ourselves."

Argentina also had to go it alone after failing to make the deep cuts demanded by the International Monetary Fund to secure more loans. The country in 2001 was in many ways where Greece and other southern European nations are today, with its economy sputtering, companies failing and huge debts coming due. But instead of a trillion-dollar rescue to keep Greece from defaulting, Argentina got a cold shoulder from lenders.

While Europe's rescue package announced this week has at least postponed the worst – a domino effect of defaults across Europe that could drag down the euro and even break up the European Union – Argentina ran out of options. It defaulted and had to figure out how to rebuild its economy without outside help.

But in its isolation, the country boomed. By boosting government spending to stimulate the economy, Argentina increased its GDP by more than 50 percent since 2003, and now plans to emerge from default by resolving the last of its bad debts.

President Cristina Fernandez says Argentina's experience shows that austerity measures are exactly the wrong medicine in a debt crisis, which is why Europe's rescue plan is "condemned to failure."

"You don't need to be an economist to know that if you reduce the flow of economic activity, you reduce even more the capacity to pay the debt," Fernandez said in a national address this week. "It's clear that you won't be able to pay what you're being lent."

Even supporters of Europe's rescue package say Greece, Portugal, Spain and other overly indebted European countries now face years of wage cuts, increased taxes and living with less to have a chance of avoiding national bankruptcy.

But getting your financial house in order is the best prescription for growth, European Central Bank President Jean-Claude Trichet said in an interview published Friday on the bank's website, expressing an orthodox economic theory that is directly opposed to Argentina's position.

"It is a complete fallacy to say that fiscal soundness dampens growth. It is exactly the contrary," Trichet said. "It is the absence of fiscal credibility which dampens growth."

Before its default, Argentina had spent years following Washington's economic doctrine – privatizing public services, dropping trade barriers, taking out huge loans and linking the peso 1-to-1 to the dollar. Then its economy slowed in the late 1990s, and it found it had borrowed more than it could pay back.

The IMF, which liberally lent Argentina money in good times, said draconian cuts in government salaries and pensions had to be made before fresh loans could be offered – at 6 percent interest, a rate Argentines thought was obscenely high.

It fell to Argentina's economy minister Ricardo Lopez Murphy to announce the austerity measures in the spring of 2001: $2 billion in budget cuts, including a sharp drop in education spending. Massive street protests forced his resignation in days. But the economy kept souring, and debt payments loomed. With no political consensus for unpopular measures, Argentina drove its economy off a cliff – declaring its world-record default and devaluing its currency.

Overnight, Argentines lost most of their wealth. Money stopped circulating. The economy virtually stopped.

Fernandez's husband and predecessor, President Nestor Kirchner, put Argentina on a path to recovery beginning in 2003. The Kirchners allied with labor unions to increase wages and contain politically destabilizing protests, and the government now provides direct subsidies to vast sectors of the work force. Booming prices for soy and other commodities provided a huge boost.

But now many worry that Argentina is headed right back where it started, even without access to traditional lenders – and that it is taking the wrong lesson from Europe's crisis. To maintain high government spending, Fernandez has tapped central bank reserves and the pension funds she nationalized, and agreed to pay a whopping 15 percent interest on $7 billion borrowed from the government of her ally Hugo Chavez in Venezuela.

"Argentina is burning through its reserves, it doesn't have investments, it doesn't have savings, it doesn't have an economic plan. It's living for the moment," said Marcelo de las Carreras, a Buenos Aires financial consultant. "Sooner or later, it's going to get slammed, because these funds are running out. A country needs to have a plan for creating wealth, not just for spending it."

European markets also remain jittery. While the IMF-European community rescue package has eased concerns of a wave of defaults within the 16-country eurozone, the euro has dropped again amid fears that highly indebted governments won't be able to persuade their citizens to swallow draconian budget cuts.

In either scenario, low-wage laborers often suffer the most. In Argentina, some of these people eventually decided to do something about that – seizing their factories to keep their jobs.

At Lavalan, the business is now streamlined – and booming: 44 employees, working without bosses, process 2,000 tons of wool a season, taking in more than $1 million from some of Argentina's biggest exporters.

The movement they pioneered has since spread to some 200 factories employing 15,000 people – all working collectively and sharing the profits.

Lopez said several laws have swung in their favor – one made it easier to form cooperatives and expropriate abandoned businesses, while another Fernandez signed in March puts workers on more equal footing with creditors in bankruptcies.

Lopez, for one, hopes workers in Greece will find it in themselves do so something similar.

"A job is the basis of everything," he said. "Hopefully they will get all the help they need and won't have to endure what we went through."

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11:21 AM on 05/18/2010
Austerity meaures will never work in bringing fiscal responsibility to coutries that never had it to begin with. Profligate spendig and failed policies are what get countries into trouble and to further place a strain upon your own people will undoubtedly leave growth prospects lower than before-- growth by further lending from an institution that demands budget cuts does not create growth, it just creates slavery to debt. Solvency issues do not go away because one says so-- what are the growth prospects? Can the Greeks or any other country in similiar constraints grow their way out by making more submarines and cutting more education?
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08:46 AM on 05/18/2010
What has not been widely reported is that no one is going after the people responsible for this crisis. If you read "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Kline or "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins you will see this is the same game that bankers have played in South America.

We have very rich people (government leaders) being led by the nose by obscenely rich people (investment bankers). These bankers then tell these government "leaders" (I use that term very loosely) what they want to hear while tying them to financial contracts that they really have no idea how bad the terms are until it's too late.

What these bankers want to do is to hog tie these countries to capitalism by putting them into such huge debt loads that they have no choice but comply. These bankers want to tear down socialism by using capitalism. Especially if socialism is working. You only have to look at America's meddling in South America during the 70's and 80's to see that I am right.

What Greece should do is three things. First tell the IMF and Goldman Sachs to get the hell out of Greece. Second tell the IMF and other creditors that they will pay what is owed through their own financial debt restructuring. Third tell the people that they will pursue criminal investigation and if warranted, trial for any crimes. Throw them in jail.
03:58 PM on 05/17/2010
This blog is more evidence that the world is mad. We have a May, Mad, Monday. Expect worse May, 2010 has not ended yet.
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12:39 PM on 05/16/2010
from what I heard from greek friends, the country was running on corrupt and on empty, People had salaries without holding the job , vacations for many were eternal, nobody paid taxes, it was a recipe for failure and unless someone goes there and forces them to behave like honest citizens, there is no hope for greece. Sure those that had a free ride for so long will protest, but their protest should fall on empty...unless they want to self destruct by themselves being kicked out of the euro union, where they now have the audacity to EXPECT nations who actually work for their money,and pay their taxes, to continue to support their scams and their corrupt vagabondish way of life. No pity there! Change or die.
Ironic that the country that gave us democracy has desintegrated into such a corrupted system for vagabonds..
03:19 PM on 05/16/2010
I've read several posts that say the same thing and have posted comments under right winger anti- socialist rants. Greece isn't socialist it's anarchy.

They don't respond, and neither do the lefties.

The problem with the PIIGS must be too much warm weather. It's bad for you.

Ireland has chilly soggy weather, and their punish the poor policy will probably pull them out of the doldrums in 4 or 10 years. That's what people are saying anyway.
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10:50 AM on 05/16/2010
Iceland has jailed there bankers !!

Greece ,s military and her people for the first time protest in solidarity !

and America and her people ? well nothing to speak of or write of as yet !!
03:06 AM on 05/16/2010
Argentinians finally got smart and said F U to the IMF, and the workers even took over some of the factories.

The sheeeple of the USA are so zom-bied out, and so passive, and so distracted by crap tv, that they do nothing as their country is looted. sad to watch
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10:51 AM on 05/16/2010
and that is why the IMF is looking for new revenue steams !! they must not get them !!
12:24 AM on 05/16/2010
Borrowing from the IMF is to invite in the "Chicago School Boys" of Milton Friedman, the "Russian Shock Doctrine" and to invite disaster/vulture capitalists -- like Government Sachs, Morgan Stanley, et al -- to swarm the country like locusts, to devour ALL of the country's assets. Greece, and all the other countries now on the Euro, should withdraw from the currency, re-assert their sovereignty to issue and manage their OWN currency, and tell the vultures to go hang. Once the Europeans can get control of the thieving banksters in their midst -- or put a whole slew of them in prison -- then they can re-institute the common-market currency.

Just as the Argentines have done, Greek workers should take over their failing businesses, oust the greedy owners/managers/corporatists, and run them themselves. There undoubtedly will be hardships, but they actually have the power to control their own, and their country's economic future. Let's hope they seize the opportunity, and while they're at it, drive the IMF/Goldman Sucks-type parasites out of their country.
09:18 AM on 05/17/2010
Another person to string up, apart from the IMF, is Thomas Friedman. He should be forced to swallow his book, The Lexus and the Olive Tree, page by page.
11:14 PM on 05/15/2010
might greece have an easier path to recovery strictly due to geography?
11:14 PM on 05/15/2010
The big question is whether Goldman Sachs conspired to create the Greek financial collapse and bring about the deflation of the Euro. Will the corporate executives from Goldman Sachs who thought up this scheme and worked with a corrupt Greek government be brought to account. How much money will Goldman Sachs make this time by betting with a collapse they have created. A financial acts of war which seek to cripple the economy of countries for the short term gain of corporate bonuses regardless of consequences for hundreds of millions of people.
10:10 PM on 05/15/2010
I alway feel sorry for Argentina. Most people don't realize that in 1900 just 110 years ago Argentina was one of the largest and most powerfull economies in the world, It would have been in the G-8 of the time, and it was almost as large as the US.

But the US and US intrest all but crippled the economy and local leaders and corruption played a major factor.

But now, The US is a global economic powerhouse, not because of what we produce, or build. But because of our abilty to distroy other economies through our large banks. We have alway lead the feild in being able to create wealth through distruction.
09:50 PM on 05/15/2010
Well, Greece and other Euro countries spend more money than they have on social benefits like healthcare, education, etc. We are going in the same direction spending much more money than we have. We need to cut spending on everything now!
11:13 PM on 05/15/2010
the wars will be over soon...not soon enough, but soon.

i think that will help the spending issue. that and taking at least a third out of our military budget.
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01:06 AM on 05/16/2010
You need to go back to school. During the Great Depression - the US did exactly what you are saying and it pushed us into a decade long mess. The last thing you want to do is feed a depression by cutting jobs, services and taking more $ out of the economy. Greece, Portugal, etc are being hammered by the same economic stress that happened to us - however, as part of the EU Euro pact, they can't have over a 3% deficit. A temporarily high deficit is OK to keep you from having an economic collapse.
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07:56 PM on 05/15/2010
Liberal values have come home to roost in yet another country. California, New York and New Jersey will fall victim.
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01:09 AM on 05/16/2010
You better hope not - the blue states are what finance the backward red states - since we pour way more into the budget than they do. The CA economy is strong and is coming back - we were the first in and are the first out of the depression.
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07:00 AM on 05/16/2010
You keep telling yourself that enough and you might just start believing it. CA economy is strong...rofl. That's just funny.
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12:41 PM on 05/16/2010
You are right but one should really consider California as being 3 to 5 states. Northern, Southern, Middle, and maybe Military and Suburban California. It is so big it seems wrong to speak of it as one entity.
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01:04 PM on 05/16/2010
Ignorant con. Really not much to say to you. You are unreasonable and unable to think critically.
07:30 PM on 05/15/2010
Let's see what Argentina and Greece have in common. That's right, they were both f*cked with by greedy American financial groups. Not to mention they both had US-supported right-wing military juntas ruling their countries, which are at the root of their problems today. Starting to see a pattern?
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09:49 PM on 05/15/2010
Great comment!
12:27 AM on 05/16/2010
And not only the military juntas -- they essentially have been swindled into dealing with one of the most corrupt institutions on the planet: the IMF!
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06:34 PM on 05/15/2010
"Kirchner, put Argentina on a path to recovery beginning in 2003" sure, after Argentina defaulted a recognized only a part of his debt and after Argentina's currency reache the value of toilet paper

nothing to do with Greece, who's gdp is a fraction of European economy and who's debt is owned now by her Euro-partners, no need to borrow at 15% rate, nor to buy dollars to pay the international markets and imports, on the contrary up to now analyst agree that Euro is ipervalued, even if I'd say it's the dollar the weaker, and the more in danger, currency on the table
05:54 PM on 05/15/2010
The parallel with Argentina is misleading. Greece's troubles - and potentially those of the other PIIGS - are largely due to a time bomb built into the Euro at its very inception. Borrowing became too easy and too cheap for these countries, as long as it lasted. Worse, their fiscal situation became untenable for another reason as well. With their large informal economies, they could not - and cannot - have a neat and comprehensive tax system like Germany. They used to print money and pay the price of inflation and currency devaluation - anathema to the Germans, but it worked for them. Since they joined the Euro, this option is closed off. So they resorted to debt. And now that that option is closed off as well, what can they resort to? You don't build German-style fiscal discipline overnight, certainly not in countries where tax evasion is a national sport.

The whole mistake was that the Euro was conceived as a bigger D-Mark. The cultures and economies of countries that didn't look like Germany were entirely disregarded. Europe is paying a steep price for that initial North-European arrogance, and I fear the price will become higher and higher until someone is finally wise enough to break the taboo and leave the Euro.
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09:51 PM on 05/15/2010
Germans were forced to accept the Euro. They were lied to as well, I remember well. Somehow, somewhere this was all planned out.