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Gulf Oil Spill: Still No One Knows How Much Oil Is Leaking Or Where It Will Head Next

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MICHAEL KUNZELMAN and MIKE BAKER   05/20/10 12:15 AM ET   AP

NEW ORLEANS — A suggestion box or publicity stunt? BP has received thousands of ideas from the public on how to stop a blown oil well in the Gulf of Mexico, but some inventors are complaining that their efforts are getting ignored.

Oil-eating bacteria, bombs and a device that resembles a giant shower curtain are among the 10,000 fixes people have proposed to counter the growing environmental threat. BP is taking a closer look at 700 of the ideas, but the oil company has yet to use any of them nearly a month after the deadly explosion that caused the leak.

"They're clearly out of ideas, and there's a whole world of people willing to do this free of charge," said Dwayne Spradlin, CEO of InnoCentive Inc., which has created an online network of experts to solve problems.

BP spokesman Mark Salt said the company wants the public's help, but that considering proposed fixes takes time.

"They're taking bits of ideas from lots of places," Salt said. "This is not just a PR stunt."

BP said Wednesday it hopes to begin shooting a mixture known as drilling mud into the blown-out well in the Gulf by Sunday. The "top kill" method involves shooting heavy mud into crippled equipment on top of the well, then aiming cement at the well to permanently keep down the oil. Even if it works it could take several weeks to complete.

"This is all being done at a depth of 5,000 feet and it's never been done at these depths before," said Doug Suttles of BP PLC, which leased the rig that exploded April 20 off the coast of Louisiana.

If the top kill effort fails, BP is considering a "junk shot," which involves shooting knotted rope, pieces of tires and golf balls into the blowout preventer. Crews hope they will lodge into the nooks and crannies of the device to plug it.

About 70 BP workers are taking more suggestions at a tip line center in Houston. The company plans to test one idea from actor Kevin Costner – a centrifuge device to vacuum up the oil – but that was not delivered through the suggestion-box system.

Thousands of barrels of oil are still pouring into open waters each day, and some of it has washed ashore as far east as Alabama. Tar balls found in the Florida Keys were not from the spill, the Coast Guard said Wednesday.

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration scientists said a small portion of the oil slick from the blown-out well has reached a powerful current that could take it to Florida. They said diluted oil could appear in isolated locations in Florida if persistent winds push the current toward it, but that oil also could evaporate before reaching the coast.

In Louisiana, a chocolate-brown blanket of oil about as thick as latex paint has invaded reedy freshwater wetlands at the state's southeastern tip.

Gov. Bobby Jindal and Plaquemines Parish President Billy Nungesser led a flotilla of media to inspect the oil encroaching on remote wetlands lining Pass a Loutre, near where the mouth of the Mississippi River empties into the Gulf of Mexico.

Jindal, sitting at the edge of an airboat, swept a handheld fishing net through the mess and held it up. It was coated with brown sludge, which had stained the lower shafts of the leafy green reeds sticking up to eight feet out of the water.

"The day that we've been fearing is upon us today," Jindal said later at a news conference.

The U.S. and Cuba were holding talks on how to respond to the spill, U.S. State Department spokesman Gordon Duguid said, underscoring worries that the oil might reach Cuba's northern coast.

Rep. Edward J. Markey, D-Mass., said in a news release that BP complied with his request that a live feed of the oil spill be made publicly available on the Web. Markey said it would start Wednesday night on his webite.

BP succeeded in partially siphoning away the leak over the weekend, when it hooked up a mile-long tube to the broken pipe, sending some of the oil to a ship on the surface.

Gerald Graham, a marine environmental consultant and oil spill response expert from Victoria, British Columbia, said he suggested a similar idea at the end of April to the joint incident command center run by BP, government agencies and Transocean Ltd., which owned the rig. The command center had him forward the idea to NOAA, which didn't respond.

"Why didn't they do this sooner?" Graham said. "Why did they wait so long?"

In the weeks before BP hooked up the tube, it tried but failed to use a four-story concrete-and-metal box to funnel the oil into a pipe and to the surface.

Salt said ideas for stopping the mile-deep leak "have to be taken through loads of different stages" before BP can try to use them.

"We're dealing with things at a depth that has never been done before. They have to go through lots of vigorous tests," he said.

Spradlin, the InnoCentive CEO, denounced BP's call for help as a "publicity maneuver." His Massachusetts-based company challenged its Web-connected network of scientists, engineers, academics and other professionals to come up with possible solutions to stop the spill. Hundreds of ideas have poured in, but the company says BP has not responded.

Ideas submitted through InnoCentive include spreading oil-eating bacteria and dropping bombs to implode the leaking well.

Even the director of EPA's Gulf of Mexico Program Office is waiting to see if his idea will get used. Bryon O. Griffith worked in his spare time to develop an umbrella-style plug that could be deployed inside the damaged pipe, an idea that has been placed on a short list for consideration.

BP has fielded some 60,000 calls from the public that led to 10,000 tips. About 2,500 people sent in forms spelling out their ideas in greater detail, and BP advanced 700 to the next phase.

"And then we ask, is this something new?" BP spokesman David Nicholas said. "Can we incorporate it into our stuff, or is there an overlap? There hasn't been one that's come from that system that's come all the way."

Costner, the "Waterworld" and "Field of Dreams" actor, has invested more than $24 million in developing the centrifuge invention, along with business partner John Houghtaling II of New Orleans.

On Tuesday, Houghtaling said BP has agreed to test the devices, which can be dropped into the oil spill and separate water from oil, storing the petroleum in tanks. The smallest weighs 150 pounds; the largest 4,500 pounds.

"It's like a big vacuum cleaner," Houghtaling said. "These machines are ready to be employed. The technology is familiar to the industry."

It's not just BP that's been receiving ideas.

"You name it, it's been suggested. At least 15 times a day we get something about exploding the well – bombs, nuclear bombs, torpedoes," said Coast Guard Senior Chief Petty Officer Steve Carleton, who helps handle the flood of social media responses. He said he receives about a dozen emails a day with a link to a YouTube video of a man using hay to sop up oil.

"There's so many ideas you become numb to them."

Mark Badger, a businessman from Fort Lauderdale, Fla., proposed a series of wide fabric tubes that would connect and stretch to the sea floor. That contraption would contain the oil and allow workers to skim it.

"Think of a giant shower curtain at 5,000 feet that goes to the bottom of the ocean," Badger said.

Badger said the proposal hasn't received much response from BP despite a series of attempts to discuss it with company officials.

Bill Walker, director of Mississippi's Department of Marine Resources, said he believes the company is properly considering each proposal.

"We all want it shut down – probably nobody anymore than BP does," Walker said.

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AP Energy Writer Chris Kahn in New York and writers Greg Bluestein in Robert, La., and Kevin McGill who was on a boat in the southern Louisiana marshes contributed to this report. Baker contributed from Raleigh, N.C.

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U.S. Rep. Edward J. Markey: http://www.globalwarming.house.gov/

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08:34 PM on 05/21/2010
That's OK, we're fixing to hang all of 'em. right now. BP's execs & techs the lynch mob is loose, at large & blood thirsty. Nothing will stop this lynch mob till its thirst for BP blood is sated. Our taste may be sated when we get enough blood from BP, About 4 times the blood as BP's oil will spill into the Gulf & Atlantic will be a start at slaking our thirst. Pray 4 mercy as avidly as u preyed upon us in the past.
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ZeraLee
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03:43 AM on 05/21/2010
All the scenarios, including worst case, should have been worked out along with the equipment design - long before the drilling was authorized or started.
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Overtone
See bio on the Aesop Institute website
07:24 PM on 05/20/2010
TIME FOR STRONG LEADERSHIP!

Now that the oil catastrophe will spill into the Atlantic, a scientist suggests: "constructing a long, floating boom between Key West and Cuba, in an eastward-pointing, V-shaped weir, the natural current flow can be enlisted to funnel the petroleum to the nearest refinery.

Other booms can be constructed to direct petroleum farther out in the Gulf toward the Straits of Florida for collection. The booms can be maintained by a flotilla of fishing craft and pleasure craft."

This is an emergency that needs to be addressed by strong leadership, as in wartime.

After Pearl Harbor was attacked, within months FORD's Willow Run plant completed a bomber every 59 minutes.

Fortunately, what is needed now to fight the oil cataclysm, climate change and widespread ignorance, is much simpler technology. However, gutsy, effective action is required, without delay!

To learn about revolutionary alternatives, see Moving Beyond Oil and The Brooklyn Project - and to read the scientists' complete comments, see Worst Case Scenario, all at: http://www.aesopinstitute.org

He also states: "The petroleum film will ...(cause) water temperature to rise accelerat(ing) Arctic Ocean melting. Mammals such as polar bears will probably not survive.

We may be watching (a) tipping point. This severe environmental catastrophe may turn into humanity’s greatest challenge."

The release of Methane from a tipping point may end millions of human lives, if not life on earth, in very few years.

Time for bold leadership, before it's too late!
08:37 PM on 05/21/2010
2 late 4 leadership, the lynch mob is loose & at large & will get BP & all oil cos.
03:24 PM on 05/20/2010
here is an interesting posting i found on the web...

Posted by crash58 May 20, 2010, 1:07PM

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/view_live_video_feed_of_bp_gul.html#postComment

"Just a guess, but that looks like about 10ft/sec velocity. Maybe more.

If this is a 22" pipe that would mean about 17,061,444 gallons per day. this is based on:

ft/sec = (gpm x 0.4085)/ diameter^2

or 10.0 = (gpm x 0.4085) / (22.0 x 22.0) = 11,848.22 gpm

11,848.22 gpm x 60 x 24 = 17,061,444.3 GPD

Now if half of that is water and gas bubbles then thats about 8.5million GPD. and if my estimate is twice as high as it should be then thats 4.25million gallons per day. Thats still a hell of alot more oil that the 210,000 gallons they keep sayin'

If they ARE drawing up 210,000 gallons up the tube thats only 5% of the total flow. BP has been BSing us from the start "
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Rosewren
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12:54 PM on 05/20/2010
From wiki regarding the gulf stream and where it goes.

The Gulf Stream, together with its northern extension towards Europe, the North Atlantic Drift, is a powerful, warm, and swift Atlantic ocean current that originates in the Gulf of Mexico, exits through the Strait of Florida, and follows the eastern coastlines of the United States and Newfoundland before crossing the Atlantic Ocean. The process of western intensification causes the Gulf Stream to be a northward accelerating current offshore the east coast of North America. At about 40°0′N 30°0′W / 40°N 30°W / 40; -30, it splits in two, with the northern stream crossing to northern Europe and the southern stream recirculating off West Africa. The Gulf Stream influences the climate of the east coast of North America from Florida to Newfoundland, and the west coast of Europe. Although there has been recent debate, there is consensus that the climate of Western Europe and Northern Europe is warmer than it would otherwise be due to the North Atlantic drift, one of the branches from the tail of the Gulf Stream. It is part of the North Atlantic Subtropical Gyre. Its presence has led to the development of strong cyclones of all types, both within the atmosphere and within the ocean.

Maybe this will reach BP's home shores before its done.
08:53 PM on 05/21/2010
Re: ur last sentence, U kin bet on dat.
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10:19 AM on 05/20/2010
From day one it is headed out into the entire world!
peowlemeow
Democrat,non-military,undereducated,overworked
09:44 AM on 05/20/2010
Could just stuff their yuppie looking asses into the pipes and see what happens.
08:43 PM on 05/21/2010
Their @$$es r 2 soft & full of $#it 2 staunch the flow from BP's pipes. B-sides the lynch mob will hang them all in a week or less. Do you want 2 use BP's dead bodies 2 stop their oil spill? That won't work either. The white cliffs of Dover will be stained brown by BP's oil spill in 3 weeks.
peowlemeow
Democrat,non-military,undereducated,overworked
09:42 AM on 05/20/2010
They'll come up with a number of barrels per day when they talk to their insurance company.
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ultrabop
the beat goes on...
09:31 AM on 05/20/2010
So the Gulf of Mexico is gone. What next? Any ideas??? Now that our Shrimp are gone, and we prefer not to eat the nasty farmed stuff from Thailand, do we have to start up a private navy to stop these idiots?

I was under the impression that the earth needed its oceans to survive. In a few days we've gone from "save the whales" to "save the oceans."

This is a paradigm shift of epic proportions. Does Obama know about this? Is he doing anything?
09:25 AM on 05/20/2010
Ideas like crushing or kinking the pipe seem practical. But its hard to think of a solution without seeing all the givens. BP and or the govment are not presenting John Q Public all the facts of the problem. Seems like after the 1st week of the explosion they were taking about 2 or 3 leaks in the riser and one other on the seabed. If one hole is plugged that would transfer more pressure to the others, particularly bad if the casing is gone on the original hole. Makes sense then to suck up what you can and bide time. I'm not clear on who's in charge. The Brits or the 'mericans?
08:59 PM on 05/21/2010
There r lies, damned lies & PR. Answer 2 ur last ?: nobody is in charge but the lynch mob is loose & big time blood thirsty. D goobermint & BP r incompetent to do or see any solution. Wot dew u want BP & da goobermints 2 suck, b specific?
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09:14 AM on 05/20/2010
British Petroleum and Trans-ocean needs to send every one of their management team and Board of Directors to work full-time for the next two months on the 'clean-up' as a mandatory assignment along the Gulf beaches and the Atlantic coast, as the 'plume' continues to invade the US coast. The two organizations need to provide a fund of at least 1 1/2 trillion dollars to those individual states and businesses that will exhibit losses of habitat, destruction of wildlife and need for intensive ecologic rehabilitation. This fund should be separate from law suits brought by companies and individuals whose livelihood directly depends on the Gulf. NGOs should also be an actor in this scenario, to hold BP and TO accountable. This one of the most serious incidents in American history of oil. Any future or present misinformation to the public created by oil companies should be held indictable.
08:59 AM on 05/20/2010
It's become more apparent that the outpouring of the wealth of ideas on how to stop the leak in the riser and the generosity of inventors and innovators to not expect anything in return if their ideas work and their only motivation is to stop the leak. It seems that the people who are screening these ideas could also be running to the patent office(delay of game) so that Big Oil can make even more money. What a turn-off! It is also apparent that nothing will change until people become willing to change. The insanity must stop if we are to live. Like most addicts it is too big of a shock to go "cold turkey" Change comes gradually and this we must do to get away from fossil fuel. We must begin to turn about and walk away...step...by...step. At least we will have begun the journey.
07:34 AM on 05/20/2010
This just released. A response to "Drill Baby Drill"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkKkpY2qfyQ
07:13 AM on 05/20/2010
BP should ask their inquisitors how they got to work that morning. How they got their kid to the doctor. How they got to the grocery store etc etc. Sacrifices have to be made from time to time in order for us to have the great oil that fuels our industry and lives.
07:25 AM on 05/20/2010
agreed
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Timma
...paulatim crescam...
12:07 PM on 05/20/2010
I think every despot to come down history's pike has said more or less the same thing. I wonder how the families of the 11 dead workers feel about their sacrifice?
09:07 PM on 05/21/2010
BP ought 2 aks the lynch mob how they found 'em b4 bein hanged. it'll be good for laughs.
BP's execs & employees will get 2 sacrifice their lives for their hubris & stupidity now, Nick...& wdw... Poetic justice for pathetic hubris, is it not?
06:20 AM on 05/20/2010
Let's get this right...BP wants to do a junk shot now? After over three weeks. When the oil, sand, toxic mud have eroded away the BOP interior. I really hope this works for our sakes, but the pipe hole is getting larger and its interior smoother by the second.

If we have to wait for relief wells it is game over. Frankly, it may very well be game over at this juncture.

I want the Justice Department to investigate both the MMS AND BP. People need to go to jail for life for this one. Tony Hayward needs to go to jail. He's has done more damage to US soil than Bin Laden...send the US Military after his a-s...and this time GET HIM.
07:26 AM on 05/20/2010
wow, really for life............