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Andrew Wakefield Banned: British Doctor Behind MMR Vaccine Scare Struck Off Register

Andrew Wakefield

MARIA CHENG   05/24/10 10:30 PM ET   AP

LONDON — The doctor whose research linking autism and the vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella influenced millions of parents to refuse the shot for their children was banned Monday from practicing medicine in his native Britain.

Dr. Andrew Wakefield's 1998 study was discredited – but vaccination rates have never fully recovered and he continues to enjoy a vocal following, helped in the U.S. by endorsements from celebrities like Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy

Wakefield was the first researcher to publish a peer-reviewed study suggesting a connection between autism and the vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella. Legions of parents abandoned the vaccine, leading to a resurgence of measles in Western countries where it had been mostly stamped out. There are outbreaks across Europe every year and sporadic outbreaks in the U.S.

"That is Andrew Wakefield's legacy," said Paul Offit, chief of infectious diseases at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia. "The hospitalizations and deaths of children from measles who could have easily avoided the disease."

Wakefield's discredited theories had a tremendous impact in the U.S., Offit said, adding: "He gave heft to the notion that vaccines in general cause autism."

In Britain, Wakefield's research led to a huge decline in the number of children receiving the MMR vaccine: from 95 percent in 1995 – enough to prevent measles outbreaks – to 50 percent in parts of London in the early 2000s. Rates have begun to recover, though not enough to prevent outbreaks. In 2006, a 13-year-old boy became the first person to die from measles in Britain in 14 years.

"The false suggestion of a link between autism and the MMR vaccine has done untold damage to the UK vaccination program," said Terence Stephenson, president of the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health. "Overwhelming scientific evidence shows that it is safe."

On Monday, Britain's General Medical Council, which licenses and oversees doctors, found Wakefield guilty of serious professional misconduct and stripped him of the right to practice medicine in the U.K. Wakefield said he plans to appeal the ruling, which takes effect within 28 days.

The council was acting on a finding in January that Wakefield and two other doctors showed a "callous disregard" for the children in their study, published in 1998 in the medical journal Lancet. The medical body said Wakefield took blood samples from children at his son's birthday party, paying them 5 pounds (about $7.20) each and later joked about the incident.

The study has since been widely rejected. From 1998-2004, studies in journals including the Lancet, the New England Journal of Medicine, Pediatrics and BMJ published papers showing no link between autism and the measles vaccine.

Wakefield moved to the U.S. in 2004 and set up an autism research center in Austin, Texas, where he gained a wide following despite being unlicensed as a doctor there and facing skepticism from the medical community. He quit earlier this year.

Offit said he doubted Britain's decision to strip the 53-year-old Wakefield of his medical license would convince many parents that vaccines are safe.

"He's become almost like a Christ-like figure and it doesn't matter that science has proven him wrong," Offit said. "He is a hero for parents who think no one else is listening to them."

Wakefield told The Associated Press Monday's decision was a sad day for British medicine. "None of this alters the fact that vaccines can cause autism," he said.

"These parents are not going away; the children are not going to go away and I most certainly am not going away," he said on NBC's "Today Show."

Wakefield claimed the U.S. government has been settling cases of vaccine-induced autism since 1991.

However, two rulings by a special branch of the U.S. Court of Federal Claims in March and last year found no link between vaccines and autism. More than 5,500 claims have been filed by families seeking compensation for children they claim were hurt by the vaccine.

Wakefield has won support from parents suspicious of vaccines, including Hollywood celebrities.

McCarthy, who has an autistic son, issued a statement in February with then boyfriend Carrey asserting Wakefield was "being vilified through a well-orchestrated smear campaign."

"It is our most sincere belief that Dr. Wakefield and parents of children with autism around the world are being subjected to a remarkable media campaign engineered by vaccine manufacturers," the actors said.

McCarthy, whose best-seller "Louder Than Words" details her search for treatments for her son Evan, wrote the foreword for a new book by Wakefield about autism and vaccines.

In Monday's ruling, the medical council said Wakefield abused his position as a doctor and "brought the medical profession into disrepute."

At the time of his study, Wakefield was working as a gastroenterologist at London's Royal Free Hospital and did not have approval for the research. The study suggested autistic children had a bowel disease and raised the possibility of a link between autism and vaccines. He had also been paid to advise lawyers representing parents who believed their children had been hurt by the MMR vaccine.

Ten of the study's authors later renounced its conclusions and it was retracted by the Lancet in February.

At least a dozen British medical associations, including the Royal College of Physicians, the Medical Research Council and the Wellcome Trust have issued statements verifying the safety of the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine.

This verdict is not about (the measles) vaccine," said Adam Finn, a professor of pediatrics at the University of Bristol Medical School. "We all now know that the vaccine is remarkably safe and enormously effective... We badly need to put this right for the sake of our own children and children worldwide."

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Associated Press Writer Kelley Shannon contributed to this report from Austin, Texas.

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Online:

Ruling on Wakefield, http://www.gmc-uk.org/Wakefield_SPM_and_SANCTION.pdf_32595267.pdf

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neutralground
01:20 AM on 06/10/2010
I just finished reading Senator Christopher J. Dodd's book, "Letters from Nuremberg, My Father's Narrative of a Quest for Justice." Tom Dodd, his father, was one of the lead prosecutors at Nuremberg. Senator Dodd thought that with torture being approved at Guatanemo, people needed a reminder of the evils the Nazis perpetrated. Some have tried to say the Holocaust never happened.

I didn't know it was the pharmaceutical companies, Doug, that conducted the deadly medical experiments. Martin Walker, writer who covered the GMC hearings, has written that much of the initial research on HRT(hormone replacement therapy) was conducted on prisoners in the Nazi concentration camps. See www.slingshotpublications.com.)

The Nazis told prisoners to take showers, but instead they gassed them in the showers. What if one day vaccinations were mandatory and a government intent on genocide simply substituted lethal injections? I know it sounds bizarre, but what if? We must insist on our basic human right to bodily integrity, the right to refuse to have substances injected into our bodies, the right to full, complete informed consent. Not lies and half-truths.

See, for example, Dr. Wakefield et al's "Response to Dr. Ari Grown and the Immunization Action Coalition, http://www.worldautismorganization.org/ficheros/Response_to_Ari_Brown_and_the_Immunization_Action_Coalition.pdf

Dr. Wakefield understands what's at stake. See Ch. 13 of his book, "Callous Disregard:" "Poisoning Young Minds."
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Sheldon101
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02:41 AM on 06/22/2010
100% appropriate as a response. What if?

My oh my, what desperation.

I've got some even less likely what ifs? What if most vaccination opponents who post at Huffington-Post actually did their homework --- like I and others who support vaccination do? You know do some searches to find out what the likely response is going to be from those with a different ideological view? It would make life easier for me and it would mean less embarrassment for others.

Yes, I know it is a fantasy as much neutralgrounds comment. But one can always hope.
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Sheldon101
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03:01 AM on 06/22/2010
Neutralground claims to be a lawyer. Fine by me.

There are two documents he refers to. One is "Clear Answers & Smart Advice
About Your Baby’s Shots" http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p2068.pdf It is a 6 page document written in language that most people could understand. The typeface is of a decent size, it is formatted to be easy to understand.

The other is "Response to Dr. Ari Brown and the Immunization Action Coalition " http://www.worldautismorganization.org/ficheros/Response_to_Ari_Brown_and_the_Immunization_Action_Coalition.pdf it is 18 pages long, without heading and in a smaller font. It will be incomprehensible to most readers. That's not too surprising as it was published in a "Medical Journal."

Which of these documents is better for informed consent? Not the medical journal article, that's for sure.

You would think that a lawyer would know better.
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10:01 AM on 06/06/2010
At this moment Andrew Wakefield's book is #1826 on Amazon.com. For most authors anything under #5000 is excellent, and anything under say about #10000 is quite good. For a non-fiction book by a little-known author, with not much of a publicity campaign, Wakefield's book is clearly a very strong success.

And the book's success indicates that:

1. the public is thirsty for information about the controversy
2. they are highly skeptical of the pharma-medical complex
3. their skepticism is growing, not fading.
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dugmaze
Any man's death diminishes me
08:57 PM on 06/06/2010
What's the book about?
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09:07 PM on 06/06/2010
Title:

"Callous Disregard: Autism and Vaccines: The Truth Behind a Tragedy"
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neutralground
01:22 AM on 06/10/2010
Agreed, bkrider9. And it's only been on the market for ten days.
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dugmaze
Any man's death diminishes me
12:39 AM on 06/06/2010
Q: Who conducted the deadly medical
experiments in Auschwitz?
A: The pharmaceutical industry!
http://www.profit-over-life.org/about/unpublished_docs.html

"Nuremberg, July 29, 1948: Fritz Ter Meer, the head of the world's largest pharmaceutical company, BAYER / IG Farben, is sentenced for genocide for the medical experiments committed in Auschwitz and other crimes against humanity"
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Sheldon101
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01:02 AM on 06/06/2010
My suggestion: Ignore.

It may not cut down on the number of postings like this, but there will be less scrolling down the page.
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dugmaze
Any man's death diminishes me
01:07 AM on 06/06/2010
"My suggestion: Ignore."

Ignore history? If I have something wrong, please correct me. I wish every word was wrong. But the truth is the truth.
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dugmaze
Any man's death diminishes me
01:04 AM on 06/06/2010
Wikipedia's definition of "Holocaust denial"

"Holocaust denial consists of claims that the genocide of Jews during World War II—usually referred to as the Holocaust[1]—did not occur at all, or that it did not happen in the manner or to the extent historically recognized"

If you do not agree that the pharmaceutical industry was THE major player in medical experiments at Auschwitz, then you are a holocaust denier.
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dugmaze
Any man's death diminishes me
01:08 AM on 06/06/2010
"or that it did not happen in the manner or to the extent historically recognized"

Key phrase.
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Sheldon101
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03:02 PM on 06/04/2010
Via Isjois and Blaylock
I came across the story of a German man who swallowed 5 gram of thimerosal. He was very sick for a while but completely recovered. And some calculations that compare a 14 lb. infants burden of thimerosal 187mcg with this man's 2, 400,000 mcg of thimerosal assuming the man weighs 132 lbs.

I don't think that's fair. I'd half the weight of the infant to 7 lbs and double the weight of the man.
So the man now has 7.000mcg/lb of body weight and the baby 25mcg/lb.

A very nice piece of writing. See http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2006/11/jock-doubledays-75000-vaccine-offer/
03:45 PM on 06/04/2010
It seems you didn't even read the article I suggested. Here's the title - "Vaccines, Neurodevelopment and Autism Spectrum Disorders". It's under the "Articles" tab.

You brought up Thimerosal...interesting...when Blaylock's focus was on repeated immune stimulation during brain development.

I suspect the man you brought up - in your link - was able to recover for a couple of reasons. First, he "ingested" the mixture - versus being "injected" with it. Second, he had a fully developed brain prior to consumption - versus a developing brain.

Maybe I just missed your point...since all of my links referenced aluminum, acetaminophen and abnormal immune stimulation.
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Sheldon101
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06:24 PM on 06/04/2010
I've been consistently leaving the discussion of these topics to others.
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neutralground
12:33 AM on 06/10/2010
I wonder if this man was an experimental subject. There are, of course, differences between a newborn or young child with undeveloped immune, neurological, digestive, all systems and a 44 year old man. Also the body handles mercury ingested differently than mercury injected into the bloodstream. Also it's not just thimerosal in vaccinations, it's the foreign proteins, aluminum adjuvant, formaldehyde, virus matter....

Was this man mentally retarded or mentally ill? Why would he knowingly drink thimerosal? I bet he was a research subject. Who would willingly consent to drink a known neurotoxin if all risks had been disclosed?

Here's the abstract. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8699562?dopt=Abstract

"J Toxicol Clin Toxicol. 1996;34(4):453-60.
Clinical course of severe poisoning with thiomersal.

Pfab R, Mückter H, Roider G, Zilker T.

Walther-Straub-Institut für Pharmakologie und Toxikologie, Universität München, Germany.
Abstract

CASE REPORT: A 44-year-old man ingested 83 mg/kg Thiomersal. He developed gastritis, renal tubular failure, dermatitis, gingivitis, delirium, coma, polyneuropathy and respiratory failure. Treatment was . . . acid. The patient recovered completely. Maximum mercury concentrations were blood 14 mg/L, serum 1.7 mg/L, urine 10.7 mg/L, and cerebrospinal fluid 0.025 mg/L. Mercury concentration in blood declined with two velocities: first with half-time 2.2 days, then with half-time 40.5 days. The decline of mercury concentration. . . not substantially influenced by chelation therapy.

PMID: 8699562 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE"
02:01 PM on 06/04/2010
Russell Blaylock - a neurosurgeon - wrote an interesting article about the toxic synergy of vaccines:

http://www.russellblaylockmd.com/
03:45 PM on 06/04/2010
Here's the title - "Vaccines, Neurodevelopment and Autism Spectrum Disorders". It's under the "Articles" tab.
01:51 PM on 06/04/2010
"Ibuprofen use after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination was not associated with autistic disorder. This preliminary study found that acetaminophen use after measles-mumps-rubella vaccination was associated with autistic disorder."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18445737
01:49 PM on 06/04/2010
“All salts of aluminum are poisonous when injected subcutaneously or intravenously.”
Dr. Victor Vaughn, Toxicologist, University of Michigan before US Federal. Trade Commission Hearings on aluminum, 1927
01:47 PM on 06/04/2010
"Gulf War illness (GWI) affects a significant percentage of veterans of the 1991 conflict, but its origin remains unknown. Associated with some cases of GWI are increased incidences of amyotrophic lateral sclerosis and other neurological disorders."

"The findings suggest a possible role for the aluminum adjuvant in some neurological features associated with GWI and possibly an additional role for the combination of adjuvants."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17114826
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cable1977
Against logic there is no armor like ignorance
07:16 PM on 06/04/2010
This paper doesn't show at all what you think it does. I previously did I full critique of the poor methodology and poorly drawn conclusions. If you wish I would be happy to rehash all of my arguments.
01:39 PM on 06/05/2010
Sheldon - a ways down - commented "Hey Age of Autism, this paper if holds true, goes a long way to trashing the vaccine causes autism nonsene."

I was simply providing links to show that vaccines have not been exonerated when it comes to autism...or many other disorders.
01:43 PM on 06/04/2010
"This ALS “cluster” represents the second such ALS cluster described in the literature to date. Possible causes of GWS include several of the adjuvants in the anthrax vaccine and others. The most likely culprit appears to be aluminum hydroxide."

"Aluminum-treated mice showed significantly increased apoptosis of motor neurons and increases in reactive astrocytes and microglial proliferation within the spinal cord and cortex."

"The demonstrated neurotoxicity of aluminum hydroxide and its relative ubiquity as an adjuvant suggest that greater scrutiny by the scientific community is warranted."
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi=B6TGG-4X1YCBB-1&_user=10&_coverDate=11%2F30%2F2009&_rdoc=1&_fmt=high&_orig=search&_sort=d&_docanchor=&view=c&_acct=C000050221&_version=1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=cec2cfcd39c7fba4b52d6806e4fd6987
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Sheldon101
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06:06 AM on 06/04/2010
Nice Try By Age of Autism
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""Test" for Autism Measuring Gut Microbes?
Read the full article in the UK's Telegraph. We ask the question, what is altering the "gut" microbes in these infants? And didn't a certain British doctor ask similar questions, relating autism with GI disease and lose his medical license? Now there's a breezy "test" coming down the pike?"
http://www.ageofautism.com/2010/06/test-for-autism-measuring-gut-microbes.html?

Let me see: Wakefield had (1) MMR vaccine, but not monovalent Measles vaccine results in persistent infection of measles vaccine virus in children which (2) causes autistic enterocolitis, a mild inflammatory intestine condition, found only (primarily) in autistic children this cause (3 measles vaccine virus or something to reach the brain and cause autism.

The story being reported is "The latest breakthrough shows that it is possible to distinguish between autistic and non-autistic children by looking at the by-products of gut bacteria and the body's digestive processes in the children's urine.
Prof Nicholson, who worked with the University of South Australia, said that the test, which costs as little as £5, could be used in children as young as six months old.
Most children are not diagnosed until they are at least two."

Here's an abstract, anyone got the full text?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20337404

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Hey Age of Autism, this paper if holds true, goes a long way to trashing the vaccine causes autism nonsene.
12:37 PM on 06/04/2010
Just curious - how does this paper go "a long way to trashing the vaccine causes autism nonsense"?

Children are often vaccinated at birth (w/hepB). Interesting info from the insert:

"RECOMBIVAX HB* Hepatitis B Vaccine (Recombinant) is a non-infectious subunit viral vaccine
derived from hepatitis B surface antigen (HBsAg) produced in yeast cells. A portion of the hepatitis B virus gene, coding for HBsAg, is cloned into yeast, and the vaccine for hepatitis B is produced from cultures of this recombinant yeast strain according to methods developed in the Merck Research Laboratories."

"The fermentation process involves growth of Saccharomyces cerevisiae on a complex fermentation medium which consists of an extract of yeast, soy peptone, dextrose, amino acids and mineral salts."

"The vaccine contains no detectable yeast DNA but may contain not more than 1% yeast protein."
http://www.merck.com/product/usa/pi_circulars/r/recombivax_hb/recombivax_pi.pdf

What does yeast, in a vaccine given at birth, do to a newborn's gut flora?
12:44 PM on 06/04/2010
Also, from the insert:

"Earache" (on page 8 - listing of adverse reactions)

So, even if the vaccine weren't implicated for the "yeast" dynamic...kiddos with earaches will likely be put on antibiotics...which often lead to yeast overgrowth...and issues with gut flora.

It would seem that vaccines would now be MORE implicated than ever.
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Sheldon101
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02:00 PM on 06/04/2010
The story http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20337404 moves the time when autism can be distinguished/diagnosed to six months. It also lets out of contention a lot of vaccines.

0 to 6 months Current
Hep B
RV
DTaP
Hib
PCV
IPV

And some of those are very old vaccines, D, T, IPV. Some are old HiB (1980) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hib_vaccine

Some are very new vaccines RV. That doesn't leave a lot.

HepB, aP, PCV

The measles vaccine had a chance of causing autism, because we know that the wild virus can reach the brain and we know that wild and vaccine strain measles can cause encephalopathy Which of the viruses left can cause brain damage? I think (haven't researched) we can take out PCV as pneumonia is, well, pneumonia.

Hep B is interesting because different countries have different schedules. US recommended for all infants in 1991 http://www.keepkidshealthy.com/welcome/immunizations/immunization_timeline.html Canada's is usually Grade 7.
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Sheldon101
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08:29 AM on 06/05/2010
Mea culpa

See what happens when you really, really wish something was true. I love the idea that autism can be diagnosed at 6 months, in part, because it make a fool out of Wakefield. So I relied on news stories and the abstract. I tried to find out more on the story, but just couldn't find anything. But I ran with it anyhow.

It's a good example of what happens with the type of 'research' I've complained about before, of relying on abstracts What I should have done was wait a few days for those with access to the study to weigh in, before I did.

Kwombles isn't an expert, but she sure knows a lot more about this than I do. Take a look at what she wrote. http://counteringageofautism.blogspot.com/2010/06/sometimes-urine-test-is-full-of-piss-or.html
01:37 PM on 06/05/2010
"Kwombles isn't an expert, but she sure knows a lot more about this than I do."

That debatable.

I'm actually with you on loving "the idea that autism can be diagnosed at 6 months". Heck, I would take 18 months. My little girl was almost five before she was diagnosed. Once we had the label, I found doctors who gave us treatment options that have tremendously impacted her. At diagnosis, she was labeled as "severe" and largely non-verbal. Today, she is in a regular classroom - reading, writing and participating with her peers. She is able to talk, although she still lags conversationally and socially. However, to go from being non-verbal to speaking in sentences - is a huge leap. Unfortunately, she still has ongoing GI issues. At least the biomedical community has directed us towards doctors who work to improve them.

If we had received an earlier diagnosis - perhaps she would be one of the "recovered" kids.
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dugmaze
Any man's death diminishes me
11:16 PM on 06/03/2010
Horrifying video of mercury attacking aluminum:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Ilxsu-JlY
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Sheldon101
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12:30 AM on 06/04/2010
Please, please, prove me wrong. I want one vaccination opponent to condemn this nonsense. Please.
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Hellbilly
10:59 AM on 06/04/2010
What're you talking about, dude?
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Sheldon101
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12:51 AM on 06/04/2010
Hey Doug, are you Ok? This is a genuine question as the last few comments don't seem to be in your usual style.
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Sheldon101
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02:55 PM on 06/03/2010
Which side just can't manage to criticize those who reach the conclusion they prefer?
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More evidence that vaccination supporters give the truth, as they see it, more importance than those who oppose vaccination.

Reading the vaccination opponents, you eventually notice something funny. No matter how ridiculous the comment that's made, they just can't manage to criticize one another. Nothing makes that more obvious than the way that the nonsensical comments of Time4truthnow are treated. And the ridiculous fanning of content-free comments.

That rule doesn't apply to those who support vaccination. If one of us things another one of us is wrong, we let them know. Want proof? See how cable1977 goes after me, for disagreeing on part of a Cochrane collaboration paper. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/24/andrew-wakefield-banned-b_n_586983.html?show_comment_id=49280068#comment_49280068
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Hellbilly
04:48 PM on 06/03/2010
One example does not a case make...

By far and large you and yours allow and encourage verbal vomit and text based assaults on those who disagree with you. This approval comes in three forms:

1.) Collaborative- as when you make snippy and snide remarks and someone else comes along and vocally agrees with you or eggs you on.

2.) Casual- as when you make the same remarks and others refuse to call you on it and work to continue the debate in such a way as to give you more ammo.

3.) Circumspect- as when people like Orac and Kwombles blatantly and intentionally attempt to humiliate or castigate those who dare disagree with them and you and the rest continue supporting them in the face of their juvenile verbal masturbations.

Both sides are guilty, Sheldon, and its nothing less than intellectual dishonesty to claim otherwise.
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Sheldon101
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05:46 PM on 06/03/2010
Let me work really, really hard and pretend that I agree with you completely. That doesn't negate my argument. We are much more willing to criticize each other than vaccination opponents. Not calling Time4TruthNow on her continuing nonsense makes my point beautifully - you care much more about the conclusion and a lot less about the evidence.
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dugmaze
Any man's death diminishes me
10:50 PM on 06/03/2010
If science is fact, then why did you guys come to different conclusions based on the same evidence? Do you realize this defines the use of faith?

How can two scientifics come to different conclusions on global warming? LIke kruddler from down under. Who makes a good arguement against global warming using science.

Why do the scientifics say trust the science and then turn around and credit President Obama for improving science? Was science bad under Bush? Did it suddenly correct itself under Obama?

How come you never see baby pigeons?
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Sheldon101
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12:50 AM on 06/04/2010
Me, Tom Jefferson, the Authors of Does the Vaccine Matter and the Editor and Publisher of The Atlantic Monthly.
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It wasn't the same evidence. Cable1977 had the evidence, I didn't.

I wanted to take a shot at Tom Jefferson because of the nonsense he put into the minds of the writers of "Does the Vaccine Matter" in The Atlantic Monthly in 2009. And because I'm still angry because the authors broke a deal that they would make some corrections if I proved they made some obvious howlers when it came to H1N1. And then they didn't keep their word. Then the editor ignored me. The publisher saw some merit in what I wrote and invited me to write a letter to the editor. I didn't. I didn't get what I wanted, corrections published on the web that might have made some people get vaccinated and not get sick.

As to not writing a letter to the editor, that was the right decision. Because it was the actual correspondence that mattered and how it displayed most of what is wrong with the media today.

Eventually, I put everything up on my blog, www.vaccineswork.blogspot.com under "Correspondence With Authors of "Does the Vaccine Matter?" and other Sitcky Pages" (on the right side)

And that's why I took the shot at Tom Jefferson. I'm still pissed at him. Not that knowing my reasons would have made any difference to cable1977 correcting me.
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Burudika
02:45 AM on 06/03/2010
Sooo Dr. Wakefield publishes a research paper challenging the holy Vaccines (MMR) and suggests link to Autism: Verdict, crucify him, he is not just wrong but a 'danger' to western civilization! Wasn't this miracle Vaccine introduced after 99% decline in Measles deaths

http://www.garynull.com/home/historic-data-shows-vaccines-not-key-in-declines-in-death-fr.html

VIOXX Killed 50,000+ patients, 100,000+(harvard Medical Journal) will die this year from prescription Meds just as it has happened the last 10years, How many doctors, scientist or Pharmaceutical executives lost their licenses or got prosecuted for MURDER? ZERO!!! how much profit was made in the carnage even after the lawsuits? millions? 100s of millions? billions???....Dr Wakefield baaad bad doctor, how dare you Educate I mean scare the public from the horrors of profit Medicine...
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Sheldon101
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08:44 AM on 06/03/2010
You do know that Wakefield wasn't opposed to measles vaccination, don't you? His idea was that the MMR vaccine should be given as 3 separate vaccines. He also patented a new type of vaccine, sort of.

You do know that registered doctor must behave better than the proverbial used car salesman, don't you, they must be honest, accurate, not misleading and follow the ethical rules for research, don't you?

You do know that the charges found proved against Wakefield weren't for the results of the research he did, don't you? They were for lying in the paper about how the children were selected and then lying about that again in print and at scientific meeting discussing his work. And they were doing research on children in distress without the necessary advance approval of a third party ethics committee.

As to the decline in measles deaths over time, let us pretend that is true . Explain the philosophical reasons you have for believing that the following was acceptable.

Why is vaccination necessary?
In the decade before the measles vaccination program began, an estimated 3–4 million persons in the United States were infected each year, of whom 400–500 died, 48,000 were hospitalized, and another 1,000 developed chronic disability from measles encephalitis. Widespread use of measles vaccine has led to a greater than 99% reduction in measles cases in the United States compared with the pre-vaccine era. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/measles/faqs-dis-vac-risks.htm
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Sheldon101
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09:50 AM on 06/03/2010
Measles Shots Are Common Sense: Personal Reflections of an Alaska Physician

'The following article is adapted from the Oct/Nov/Dec 1998 issue of "Alaska Medicine" (Vol. 40, pp. 90-92), and is reprinted here with permission of the author, Kenneth Moss, MD.
I am a recently retired pediatrician who would like to share some of my memories and experiences with measles. I once read a newspaper article that quoted a naturopathic doctor as saying that vaccinating against measles was "a volatile issue," and that she "considers measles to be a fairly mild disease in healthy children." With all due respect, I strongly disagree with this opinion. Measles is NOT a mild disease, rather it is a pretty serious illness...
http://www.immunize.org/reports/report029.asp
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Sheldon101
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01:11 AM on 06/03/2010
Darn it. I was considering buying a used copy of Wakefield's magnum opus. Alas, that may be very difficult if the following is true.

Andrew Wakefields supporters were hoping his new book would be a bestseller. That ain’t going to happen given how much a publishing insider revealed to me how many he has actually sold:
He sold a total of 1017 copies. Top sales 157 copies in NYC. 46 in LA, 43 in Atlanta (perhaps CDC people wanted to see what he said?!), 38 in Boston, 24 in Chicago, 18 in Seatlle and 17 copies in his hometown of Austin
Ouch. It’ll be interesting to see how well the book does as interest in it fades. Or maybe ‘well’ isn’t the right word.

From: http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/06/andrew-wakefield-as-succesful-an-author-as-researcher/?
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neutralground
01:42 AM on 06/03/2010
(Sheldon, when you lift text directly from a source, as in most of your second paragraph, you are supposed to put quotation marks around it. This is the second time....It's deceptive not to do it.

My dad taught me, if you can't say something nice about a person, don't say anything at all.

I don't believe your statistics on the sales of the book. I've got a signed copy of the book and I read it the first day. Couldn't put it down. It's an important book for our freedoms.
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09:12 AM on 06/03/2010
I understand that after complaining about vaccination opponents not admitting errors, I've painted a target on myself. I'm fine with that.

My response to your charges: I'll take Door #1. You are so wrong, it is sad.

First paragraph sets the stage and is a follow up to my earlier comment about possibly buying a used copy of Wakefield's book. I also express my doubts that what follows is true. So it is just a throw away bit of unniceness, that's all.

Second paragraph is what I'm having my doubts about. Considering that the third paragraph gives the source for the second, quotation marks might have been nice, but were hardly necessary.

As to "I don't believe your statistics on the sales of the book," Guess what? If you had actually understood my first paragraph, you would see that I don't give the statistics very much credence either.

If you are going to accuse someone of being deceptive, make sure the charge is at least reasonable. You didn't. So there is an apology owed, but not from me. Are you going to be another vaccination opponent adding to the evidence that they can't apologize?
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neutralground
02:24 AM on 06/04/2010
Your second and third paragraphs at your 1:11 a.m. post on 6/3/10 are exactly what is posted at the link you gave us, http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2010/06/andrew-wakefield-as-succesful-an-author-as-researcher/#ixzz0prKts6f9"

I thought your comment was your original writing until I opened that link. When you lift (i.e,, cut and paste) text from somewhere else, I wish you would use quotation marks or use the word "quote" or "quoted from."

To me, just saying saying "From" does not necessarily indicate a quote. It might mean you got information there that you put into your own words. Are you prepared to take responsibility for the accuracy of an anonymous source, as you have done? How much of what you post is original, and how much lifted from other, possibly anonymous, writers on the internet? Apparently it's up to us post-ers to insist on standards here. I don't really want to have to look up every one of your links to verify the data. Here it could not be verified.

This isn't as bad as the time you gave us the information from a social worker's website but added your own comments at the end of paragraphs without using quote marks to let us know whose was whose. Maybe that is why I am making an issue of it.

Unless I would vouch for a source's accuracy, I wouldn't post it under my name, quotes or not.
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Sheldon101
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04:26 AM on 06/04/2010
I was writing up a response, when I realized it is a waste of time. I think this might be useful for you, I realize it will be useful for me.

I think I'm owed an apology, especially for calling me 'deceptive.' You couldn't manage one. That's sad.

Let me leave you with some suggestions, one's I realize I've been failing to do myself.

Before you're going to directly attack the ethics (which deceptive does) of someone who is likely to respond back, do three things. One, make sure that this is the only interpretation that fits. Two, ask yourself what the response is likely to be. Three, save the comment to your hard drive, wait a day and take another look at it, before posting it.

In the days of usenet newsgroups and newsreader software, it was much easier to let a reply sit for a day. All you had to do was save the reply as a draft, instead of sending it. A day later, you could look at it again, make any changes and send it, knowing that the newsreader would ensure it would end up in the right place of a bunch of nested replies. The usenet groups I frequented didn't have moderation and anything went. But over time, I lost interest in flame wars and about half the time, those replies I saved as a draft never got sent.
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04:32 PM on 06/02/2010
Isjois thought this comment and especially the 'we' was serious. Wrong.
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I wrote, "Ok, we swear on the grave of Paul Kurtz, who we've heard speak a few times, usually at UB, that the following is true: We work for BigPharma, Big Agra and their Canadian subsidiaries. Big Pharma (Canada) Inc and BigAgra(Canada) Inc.

Why 'we'. You don't think one person could be doing these postings. Just think of all the careful research that are in the comments we write."
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It was an over-the-top response to the perennial accusations that I am a shill or work for Big Pharma.I supplied the evidence in the comment that would only take seconds to find out that this was a joke. Paul Kurtz is not dead.

It is appropriate, though. If Kurtz were dead, he would spinning in his grave because of recent changes to CFI, the organization he founded. He's just resigned from the Board of Trustees.

What's true is that I've heard Kurtz speak at various functions I've attended put on by CSICOP at UB's Amherst Campus --- the State University of New York at Buffalo. Why UB? Because that's where Kurtz taught philosophy.

But there's just one of we, with the time, the interest and the skills to fight for truth, justice and the American ??? way as I eat my cheerios reading The Daily Planet (originally The Daily Star)
http://davidschutz.tripod.com/superman3.html
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Christie Buchovecky
11:40 AM on 06/04/2010
So not the point of this thread, but, what changes to CFI are you talking about? I'm familiar with, but don't really follow them.
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06:32 PM on 06/04/2010
The issue was one of philosophy, which is appropriate for a professor of philosophy.

Kurtz has been hammered consistently over the years by Christian fundamentalists for his secular humanism. But the issue where he broke from others was in his opposition to the 'new atheist' movement. He really hated the blasphemy contest at CFI

http://usu-shaft.com/2010/paul-kurtz-resigns-from-cfi/