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Summers: Obama Did Health Care Because He's A Bean Counter

First Posted: 05/24/10 02:04 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:35 PM ET

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There have been a series of stories in recent weeks seeking to answer the most fundamental question about President Obama's first year in office: why, exactly, did he ignore prevailing advice and tackle health care reform?

Numerous explanations have been offered, ranging from the moralistic to the politically compelling. The common thread among them, however, is that Obama is, above all else, a bean counter. And when faced with a bleak economic landscape, in which government spending had to accelerate in the short term even though daunting deficits loomed on the horizon, he saw the health care system as the biggest vehicle for savings.

During a speech on Monday, Obama's top economic adviser, Larry Summers, made much the same case, arguing that the president tackled health care not because it was one way to achieve economic soundness... it was THE way.

"The president believed and acted on the conviction that reforming our health care system had to be the top priority in renewing our national economy," Summer said at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies. "The legislation this year represents the most serious prospects for addressing health care costs through public policy in more than four decades. A prerequisite for any serious attempt at cost control is insuring universal coverage, otherwise cost constraints will have manifestly unacceptable human impacts as they are shifted from one provider to another. And the easiest way to reduce your costs is to stop providing uncompensated care." (emphasis mine)

Summers failed to mention that during the campaign Obama's approach to health care reform was the most tepid of all the candidates in the Democratic field. The mandated coverage that Summers hails as an integral component was absent from the Obama campaign plan. It was only once in office that the president's view of health care reform as budget-balancing (and not morally righteous) legislation seemingly crystallized.

As one White House ally put it to the Huffington Post: "He was persuaded to do health care, I believe, by Peter Orszag [the budget director], not Ted Kennedy [the moralistic former senator]."

Summers also touted various other cost-saving components contained within the health care bill, including the encouragement of prevention, cost effectiveness research and reimbursement reform. But in a hint at just how difficult the economics and politics of health care has been, he hinted that whether or not the legislation will be considered successful is out of the administration's hands.

"We are under no illusions this legislation is not self-executing, its impact will depend on decisions made going forward," said Summers. "Success will depend ultimately on our ability not just to contain federal health care costs but also to contain all health care costs. Because a situation in which fed payments come to lag far beyond private insurance payments will be unacceptable for our seniors."

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There have been a series of stories in recent weeks seeking to answer the most fundamental question about President Obama's first year in office: why, exactly, did he ignore prevailing advice and tack...
There have been a series of stories in recent weeks seeking to answer the most fundamental question about President Obama's first year in office: why, exactly, did he ignore prevailing advice and tack...
 
 
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12:33 PM on 05/25/2010
If Obama is such a "Bean Counter" why did he increase the military budget? The legacy benefits the American People are going to have to pay for all the perks the military personal get are unsustainable. Why is nobody talking about that? This is a train wreak that is gonna happen. I get tired of listening to these "Republican" military personal telling me that they deserve everything they get because of what they have to go through. BIG DEAL! You are no better than anyone else and I owe you nothing. You chose your profession, no stop getting in the way of the common man while you have your grubby hands extended for your "Benefits".
10:34 AM on 05/25/2010
So, no one in the Administration has ever heard of that terminal fiscal cancer called the Department of Defense? The National Security (Insecurity) Agency? The CIA (Central Incompetence Administration), The Homeland Security Agency (The World's largest single collection of Bumbling Bureaucrats); ad nauseum?!?

Washington, D. C., is terminally drunk on power and other illusions.
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11:21 AM on 05/25/2010
Along with the firm understanding that employing a Public Option would save 120 BILLION dollars over 10 years by itself (According to the cbo?)? Or that single payer would have been the most fiscally efficacious with regard to saving money (Outside of getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and cutting the military budget by at least 200 billion, with no measurable decline in readiness.), with a price tag of 600 billion over ten years according to proposal estimates?None of these were seriously considered, and so I can only assume that "fiscal responsibility" (I.e. deficit reduction.) is not a serious consideration
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10:24 AM on 05/25/2010
What cost constraints???
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MInchau
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08:42 AM on 05/25/2010
Time will tell.....why can't more people just say that! It's the truth. We can debate this over and over, but in the end there are too many unknowns in the situation and everyone is trying to do their best.
08:18 AM on 05/25/2010
Larry Summers is a fraud & a swindler.


Here comes Lawrence Summers to SPIN obama's $600 billion, SIX HUNDRED BILLION dollar TAXPAYER & consumer EXTORTED GIVEAWAY to the INSURANCE COMPANIES - a major "PROFIT CENTER" of the NY, Wall Street, & GoddamnSachs banksters -
as (who woulda thunk it?)
"ACCELERATED GOVERNMENT SPENDING" -
(with an "in the short term" qualifier, no doubt) - "WILL RESULT IN [long-term] SAVINGS."

TRY TELLING THAT TO MY CREDIT CARD: "If I put $15,000 on you today, WE WILL _SAVE_ money tomorrow."
Right- WITH INTEREST on that DEBT.

This is PURE PROPAGANDA horse****.

This is a GOVERNMENT EXTORTED GIVEAWAY, TO the BIG FINANCIALS, that will NOT make American familes' health care cheaper, more affordable, and will do NOTHING to provide PREVENTATIVE CARE to low-income Americans to PREVENT long-term costly illnesses.
(It will provide SOME form of health insurance to several million Americans who currently have none; in usual BLACKMAIL/EXTORTION mode, we Americans are going to pay 3x the value of what will actually be provided.)

Indeed, the Emanuel/Baucus/Lieberman/obama "Health Care Reform" DOES NOTHING to make it easier for SMALL BUSINESSES (OR manufacturing industries) to provide Health Care for their labor force & employees - SMALL BUSINESS is 70% of the US economy!!

Summers & Emanuel are EXTORTING 80% of the economy, to BOOST THE PROFITS of the 20% who OWN STOCK in the Insurance & Big Pharma & hospital companies.

OF COURSE he's going to come out and try to spin that he & obama
08:11 AM on 05/25/2010
Another PR piece for this abominable health bill which helps nobody except the insurance companies with 30 million new captive customers whom they are free to gouge. There are no cost controls for we the people in this bill. It is garbage.
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rmship
07:45 AM on 05/25/2010
bean counter or not President Obama, was right man for the job at the right time...Blew everyones mind when he jumped in with two feet and a firm commitment to change. It also meant that everyone else must begin to work!
08:17 AM on 05/25/2010
First, the President has no special expertise in finance. (Or anything else ,for that matter.)Your comment re' his'jumping in with two feet', and 'blowing peoples minds' is essentially devoid of meaning. George Will remarked "he's a nice man,who somehow avoided learning anything about history or economics." This looks more and more prescient.
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JimR
09:43 AM on 05/25/2010
You lost me at "George Will remarked"...
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dnalpahs
08:55 AM on 05/25/2010
It's "we the people," not "me the president."
07:30 AM on 05/25/2010
I will never forget that Obama ruined our health care and did so with lies and corruption.
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deridaa
07:45 AM on 05/25/2010
How does one contain health care costs by ignoring the input of the physicians who are on the forefront of providing care? How does one contain health care costs by completely removing tort reform and/or tort fee regulation from discussion and inclusion in the bill? How does one contain health care costs by loading the bill with pork as a thank you to Dem supporters? How does one contain health care costs responsibly by not reading the bill before passing it?
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dnalpahs
08:58 AM on 05/25/2010
One doesn't. This is a power grab by the Democrats and has little to do with healthcare.

“One of the traditional methods of imposing statism or socialism on a people has been by way of medicine. It’s very easy to disguise a medical program as a humanitarian project. Most people are a little reluctant to oppose anything that suggests medical care for people who possibly can’t afford it.”
- Ronald Reagan, in 1961.
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08:22 AM on 05/25/2010
agreed, daisy. As Thom Hartmann pointed out, UNLESS a PRESIDENT _CONFRONTS_ the INSURANCE company EXTORTIONISTS, there is NOT A SENATOR OR CONGRESSMAN who wants to tackle the POISONOUS health care issue.

With his SHAM, FRAUD, and FARCE "health care reform" - WE WERE ROBBED of EVEN A DISCUSSION of Public Option, much less single payer - we Americans are probably STUCK with Emanuel/Lieberman/Baucus/obama's GIVE AWAY to INSURANCE INDUSTRY extortion, for at least the next 20 years.

Thanks for nothing, Obama, you SWINDLER - you are SHAKING OUT THE TREASURY, and the last vestiges of the economy, for your GoddamnSachs swindler pals...
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06:36 AM on 05/25/2010
Larry Summers.

Enough said.
04:09 AM on 05/25/2010
The Middle Class is tasked with paying for illegal aliens
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denmak
What looks 'right' is usually wrong
04:32 AM on 05/25/2010
Wow, live dingbat here. Been proven false multiple times.

The trolls are out full force on this thread.
04:47 AM on 05/25/2010
Then who do you think is paying for it genius?
It sure as hell isn't the people hiring them.
03:52 AM on 05/25/2010
All Obama's health care bill does is force those without insurance to buy it, and the IRS will be the enforcer. In the PBS program Frontline, it was very clear that all Obama did was to let the health care lobby write the bill and direct the process. He didn't care about an actual bill that worked for Americans, he cared only about 'passing something,' and making sure that Big Health Care got 30 million new forced customers. TODAY, there is still no coverage for those 30 million. This Obamacare bill is a farce. Once it kicks in, in two years, we will all see what a crazed idea this is since insurance companies by then will have structured plans to be high deductible, low coverage. Obama's a sly one, make no mistake.
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denmak
What looks 'right' is usually wrong
04:32 AM on 05/25/2010
Sorry, I think you're dead wrong:

The more participants there are in the market, the more efficient it becomes i.e. cheaper for all participants. Take any exchange or central counterparty as an example. Why have transaction costs come down so much?

Will you be paying for someone else's health care? Quite possibly - if you never fall sick, your premium could be used to compensate someone who makes the claim. This is NOT the consequence of the HCR though, it is the very basis of how insurance works (seriously, google Asset - Liability modeling). If you had insurance before the HCR was signed, you were doing it anyways.

So it comes down to what you believe - the efficient market, which happens to be a GOP talking point, and that your premiums have got to fall (they sure as hell can't legally rise arbitrarily). Or you can continue believing that the HCR is a bad thing and will raise premiums despite all evidence to the contrary (funnily enough, also a GOP talking point).

Everybody needs healthcare - many are too stupid to realize it. So yes, there is a fine, there are controls - in the end, it is in everyone's best interests, whether you like it or not.
08:48 AM on 05/25/2010
< The more participants there are in the market, the more efficient it becomes... >

oh, we're talking "MARKET EFFICIENCIES" & other IvyLeague, WallStreet, NY, DC (and U.Chicago + Hoover Inst.) economic talk???

Yeah - THOSE GUYS _REALLY_ know what They're doin'!!!

Just look at RUBIN, SUMMERS, BLANFKEIN, Dimon, PAULSON & GIETHNER...

...they all ran THEIR respective charges - Rubin's CITIbank, Summers HARVARD endowment; Blankfein's GoddamnSachs, Dimon's JPM-Chase, & Giethner & Paulson's ENTIRE US ECONOMY
( Paulson went from GoddamnSachs CHAIRMAN, to Bush's TreasurySecretary.... where he 'oversaw' the MARKET MELTDOWN September 2008.)
Geithner was IN BED with Paulson & GoddamnSachs as well, as Bush's pick to be FederalReserveNY Bank President, Geithner, like Paulson, oversaw THE MELTDOWN of ENTIRE US. Financial markets, SAVED ONLY by the taxpayer extorted BAILOUTS$$$!

Indeed, Geithner's REAL job at NY Fed, was to HAND AS MANY BILLIONS to GS, JPM, & other member-OWNER banks of the Federal Reserve cartel as he possibly could...
& Hank Paulson's job was to PRETEND that GETTING FREE MONEY from the Fed was "Free market capitalism" (until it all BLEW UP in their faces, when Hanky went BEGGING for SOCIALIZED "bailouts")

Indeed, THE VERY WEEK that Paulson BEGGED & EXTORTED the $700 BILLION "TARP" bailouts from Nancy Pelosi....

...why, Ben Bernanke & TIMMY GEITHNER, over at the NY Fed, DISHED OUT _ANOTHER_ $630 BILLION in "bailouts," with the fancy term "LIQUIDITY INJECTIONS"
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a9MTZEgukPLY

In ONE WEEK, ALONE, REAL "bailouts" costs was NEARLY DOUBLE what these liars told us it was !!!
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10:30 AM on 05/25/2010
The problem with this is that you assume all people will buy insurance. What happens when the health people don't buy it and take the small fine and then the unhealthy people who cost the most are the majority of the people in the pool?
03:33 AM on 05/25/2010
We've all seen how terribly well the government run school system has worked. Let's now be prepared for our health care to produce as impressive results as our brilliant public schools. Why I bet if our health care providers just take a tip or five from the Pentagon on keeping costs down and quality sky high, we'll all be as healthy as can be. And that Postal system can sure provide some terrific protocols to our newly demoted doctors on high efficiency practices and service with a smile. And with the rising costs of medical care under Obamacare, will that mean we all - and not just those annoying rich people - get richer?

Gee, I can't wait for it all to begin.
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MED1025
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05:31 AM on 05/25/2010
I wish the government was running health care. It will be a private system that we must all opt into in order to spread the risk.
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10:32 AM on 05/25/2010
Spread the risk? Does this mean that healthy people (low cost) should be where the "profit" comes from and they can help subsidize unhealthy people (high cost)?
09:09 AM on 05/25/2010
< We've all seen how terribly well the government run school system has worked. >

the US education system HAS WORKED well... we put MAN ON THE MOON, "won the cold war," and brought American WAGES, benefits, and STANDARD OF LIVING ___wa-ay up___ from where it was during the GREAT DEPRESSION (or even from the 1920s before the Depression.)


Indeed, much of "THE GREATNESS" of America you take for granted - our NUCLEAR military might, our ROCKETS, satellites, and moon landing; our radar, jet engines, and COMPUTER ELECTRONICS, came from EUROPEAN Scientists who were REFUGEES (from Hitler's Nazis) during WWII, who PROVIDENTIALLY DROPPED IN OUR LAP - MOST OF THEM educated in European's countries' VERY SOCIALIZED state/public education system... including, yes, FREE COLLEGE & UNIVERSITIES for most students back the.

EUROPEAN scientists who ENABLED America's TECHNOLOGICAL marvels:

Edward Teller - "FATHER of the H-Bomb"
WIGNER, SZILARD, Teller, and Von Neuman - "GODFATHERS of the 'AMERICAN' A-bomb"
(along with EINSTEIN, FERMI, BOHR, & others, & Gottingen educated Oppenheimer)

Alan Turing - British math whiz who pioneered electronic decoding, Von Neuman "the father of the electronic computing."
Frank Whittle, British inventor of the jet engine
WERNER von BRAUN and his "SOCIALIZED" Nazi ROCKET SCIENTISTS - designed the US Apollo MOON ROCKETS.

IF IGNORANCE is bliss - there SHOULD be a LOT OF BLISSFUL Americans out there !!!



(but it's NOT - EDUCATION is THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE for a modern nation's security.)
09:46 AM on 05/25/2010
Good post. #153!
03:30 AM on 05/25/2010
The goal is to crawl before you can walk....the President I'm sure wanted more; and I would like to think his convictions pined for more. However he is a pragmatist; it's chess not checkers; and that is what a lot of progressives (including myself) have to remember. "In the day", there wasn't a HP, or a Fox News to analyze the Presidents every single move; public opinion is sensitive/malleable and a constantly "informed" (impressionable) society unfortunately serves as a compass for the White House. Thats life in 2010....sad as it is.
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busman
04:58 AM on 05/25/2010
This bill set us back. Not even crawling.
09:50 AM on 05/25/2010
The man is a lot smarter and tougher than anyone posting here anonymously, including me. I for one think he's the right man at the right time. Despite the howls from the right, he is a pragmatist and that's just what we need.
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Christopher Daley
01:44 AM on 05/25/2010
The health care reform act was a joke. A complete and utter waste of time. It did not actually provide health care for all. Until this happens they should call it a health insurance reform act.

http://www.csdaley.com/2010/05/health-care-tragedy.html
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ChloeW
02:05 AM on 05/25/2010
hear, hear
02:33 AM on 05/25/2010
It was just a public facade by the dems, with the cooperation of the repubs "being against it".
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jennyjen
04:46 AM on 05/25/2010
What do you and the republicans suggest as an alternative?

Maintain the status quo?
01:32 AM on 05/25/2010
What a pile of crap.

Real "bean counters" know that government sticking its nose into running industry means big cost increases; so did Obama. He just didn't give a damn.

Why? Because "progressives" agenda is to have the government monopoly corner the market in as many industries as possible; and so Obama "reform" has with Health Care, soon Finance, then cap-and-tax Energy. Consumers won't choose "progressive" agenda, so "progressives" take choice out of our hands. For our own good, or as Hillary says, "for the children", of course.

Not her children; ours.
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adrianrf
Another job-creating immigrant
01:57 AM on 05/25/2010
what a pile of crap.

that last 8 years didn't teach you that this tired old "keep the gubmint out of bizness" mantra isn't washing any more. Americans know perfectly well the penalty for trusting themselves, their kids, and their futures to the tender mercies of the crony capitalists.

we can see the bean counting arithmetic *real clear* in the Gulf of Mexico, and the obscene bankster heist: maybe regulation does increase costs a little — but it's sure as *hell* a damn sight cheaper in the long run than cleaning up the gigantic catastrophes that inevitably follow after the Rethugs and Libertarians let their favorite criminal corporations off the leash.
02:35 AM on 05/25/2010
pretty sure the banks got bailed out by government (yours and my tax $$$). That has worked out real well.
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anthonyve
An exmilitary, excorporate Aussie
02:21 AM on 05/25/2010
Government getting involved in industry doesn't necessarily mean big cost increases at all. What it does mean, is, Gasp! Horror! reductions in obscene profits. It means business having to live by the same moral rules as the rest of society. It means acknowledging that there is more to life than profit, especially when those profits are derived from human suffering.
I believe in free enterprise, but having been an international executive for sixteen years I know that the mix of decent people and would be criminals in the corporate world is about the same as society in general, which means that the would be criminals have to be regulated so that free enterprise can work the way Adam Smith and others intended it to work.
It's called, "Rules and Tools". Free enterprise works best and society benefits most when sound regulation sets the rules and free enterpise develop and use their tools to compete as hard as they can.
02:31 AM on 05/25/2010
Yes it does, show me ANYWHERE that it doesn't, Post Office has $3 Billion cost overrun, AMTRAK bankrupt, public education a joke, medicare est. over $500 BIllion in fraud and waste, social security in the red this year, estimated bankrupt in 15 yrs.

LAWS are there to take care of illegal behavior, NOT government stepping in to run and industry. Think its better? Look at the Soviet Union that imploded in 1991, think again. Or the "mixed" economies of Western Europe, that are slowly going the way of Greece.

Free enterprise works best when government enforces the laws, and competition is left to weed out companies that don't cut it with consumers by FAILING, nothing shapes up management AND labor faster. Not even interminable speeches by Obama, or Castro.